Intervals On The Neck - P.22 - Help

[vermp00]

May be this will help.

The table wil show a littlebit out of line. I could not upload the Excel spreadsheet.

The I (next to "Key") and the second "C" below it and the "1" And the "C " below the "1"  should be one stright line. So should be the columns next to these.
So should also be the rest.

Key   I   II   III   IV   V   VI   VII   I   II   III   IV      
C   C   D   E   F   G   A   B   C   D   E   F      
   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11      
I   C      E      G                     C   Major
II      D      F      A                  D   Minor
III         E      G      B               E   Minor
IV            F      A      C            F   Major
V               G      B      D         G   Major
VI                  A      C      E      A   Minor
VII                     B      D      F   B   Dim
                                       
Key   I   II   III   IV   V   VI   VII   I   II   III   IV      
D   D   E   F#   G   A   B   C#   D   E   F#   G      
   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11      
I   D      F#      A                     D   Major
II      E      G      B                  E   Minor
III         F#      A      C#               F#   Minor
IV            G      B      D            G   Major
V               A      C#      E         A   Major
VI                  B      D      F#      B   Minor
VII                     C#      E      G   C#   Dim
                                       
Key   I   II   III   IV   V   VI   VII   I   II   III   IV      
 E   E   F#   G#   A   B   C#   D#   E   F#   G#   A      
   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11      
I   E      G#      B                     E   Major
II      F#      A      C#                  F#   Minor
III         G#      B      D#               G#   Minor
IV            A      C#      E            A   Major
V               B      D#      F#         B   Major
VI                  C#      E      G#      C#   Minor
VII                     D#      F#      A   D#   Dim
                                       
Key   I   II   III   IV   V   VI   VII   I   II   III   IV      
F   F   G   A   Bb   C   D   E   F   G   A   Bb      
   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11      
I   F      A      C                     F   Major
II      G      Bb      D                  G   Minor
III         A      C      E               A   Minor
IV            Bb      D      F            Bb   Major
V               C      E      G         C   Major
VI                  D      F      A      D   Minor
VII                     E      G      Bb   E   Dim
                                       
Key   I   II   III   IV   V   VI   VII   I   II   III   IV      
 G   G   A   B   C   D   E   F#   G   A   B   C      
                                       
I   G      B      D                     G   Major
II      A      C      E                  A   Minor
III         B      D      F#               B   Minor
IV            C      E      G            C   Major
V               D      F#      A         D   Major
VI                  E      G      B      E   Minor
VII                     F#      A      C   F#   Dim
                                       
                                       
Key   I   II   III   IV   V   VI   VII   I   II   III   IV      
 A   A   B   C#   D   E   F#   G#   A   B   C#   D      
                                       
I   A      C#      E                     A   Major
II      B      D      F#                  B   Minor
III         C#      E      G#               C#   Minor
IV            D      F#      A            D   Major
V               E      G#      B         E   Major
VI                  F#      A      C#      F#   Minor
VII                           B      D   B   Dim
                                       
                                       
Key   I   II   III   IV   V   VI   VII   I   II   III   IV      
 B   B   C#   D#   E   F#   G#   A#   B   C#   D#   E      
                                       
I   B      D#      F#                     B   Major
II      C#      E      G#                  C#   Minor
III         D#      F#      A#               D#   Minor
IV            E      G#      B            E   Major
V               F#      A#      C#         F#   Major
VI                  G#      B      D#      G#   Minor
VII                     A#      C#      E   A#   Dim
                                       
                                 
Try these with the example on page 23 "So the key is A.................. etc."
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                

[flyhead]

Interesting, but a little difficult to view thanks to the loss of tabular format. You could make a screenshot of the original spreadsheet and upload to Photobucket (or similar),and link the URL to the page.

[close2u]

if you are still within the edit time period

go back and modify your post and use the

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[misterg]

if you are still within the edit time period

go back and modify your post and use the

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commands to straighten it up

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after

I think Mr. C  means:

"if you are still within the edit time period

go back and modify your post and use the [pre] and [/pre] commands to straighten it up


[pre] before the info


[/pre] after"

Andy

[close2u]

nicely done misterg

I didn't look at my post once posted and wasn't thinking that the pre and /pre wouldn't be visible      d'oh

[Chasecar]

Can someone clarify what these intervals are teaching us?

In the notes it mentions that "these exercises are here to teach us Key signatures"

Sorry to be such a dunce but i don't understand what i am learning, i understand that songs are in different keys and i know my caged scales in all 5 postions also relevent minors and there relationship with majors, but at the moment i have no idea where this is going!!!

Please if someone could explain roughly what this intervals section is about i would appreciate it very much, as it is fairly involved with filling out all the charts and i am finding it very hard to continue when i have no idea what i am doing!!!

Im kinda with this guy.  Im no theory expert but I would love to be.  I get the relationship between the degree and the chord on the example diagrams so if that is the goal of the lesson then Im solid gold.  However, I dont see that one necessarily has to do with the other except for the fact that it is just an indication as to what the next chord will be (minus the interval quality).  Even if the root is on the 5th or 6th string then the following chords could be anywhere on the fretboard depending on the desired sound and/or corresponding inversion...right?

[TB-AV]

Even if the root is on the 5th or 6th string then the following chords could be anywhere on the fretboard depending on the desired sound and/or corresponding inversion...right?

Correct..... but read the next to last paragraph. The point is help you locate what you are doing both horizontally and vertical.

Now read next to last sentence in first paragraph.  The rest is for you to figure out. He is only showing two strings.

So yes.... learn those relationships all over the neck.

The more you learn the more everything is intertwined.  The more relationships you see the better.

[whitekeys26]

okay so i understand the chart of what vermp00 posted above.  I understand how you get the degrees of a key.  I understand that the notes C E and G make up a C chord, and that it is the I degree because C is the Root, E is the 3rd and G is the 5th.  I can apply this to any key and get the seven degrees or the 7 chords.  I understand all that with no issues.

But those two interval charts on page 23 have me sooo confused.  I just can't understand it.  I don't get how you use just the 5th and 6th strings to make an A chord at the 5th fret.  I see the chart and see where 1, 3, and 5 are.  But when he says to but your finger on the R for the root at the 5th fret 6th string and says to make an A chord.  I just don't understand how you make an A chord there.  It is completely going over my head.  a regular A chord is made with 4 strings..how are we supposed to make it on just the 5th and 6th strings?

Or am I completely miss understanding this lesson? 

[misterg]

... those two interval charts on page 23 have me sooo confused.  I just can't understand it.  I don't get how you use just the 5th and 6th strings to make an A chord at the 5th fret.  I see the chart and see where 1, 3, and 5 are. .....

Or am I completely miss understanding this lesson?

Hello and welcome

I think you're misunderstanding the charts - they are to show you where the root note of the *chords* in a key are, not the notes in a chord.

The '1, 3 and 5' are written I, iii and V on the chart: the roots for the I, iii and V chords in a key. You still need to play chords, but using the notes indicated as root notes (by convention: major chords where the Roman numerals are in upper case, and minor chords where the numerals are in lower case):

So the I chord in the key of A (A major) has its root 6th string 5th fret - the popular option is to play an 'E' shaped barre chord at the 5th fret (but you could just as well play a G shaped barre chord). The corresponding IV chord (D major) has its root on the 5th string, 5th fret - the popular otion is to play an 'A' shaped barre chord at the 5th fret (but you could equally well play a C chaped barre chord), etc.

The 'normal' chords need 3 notes, btw, so as long as you can play those 3 notes, you have the chord. (This leads to playing triads and chord fragments which help to add variety.)

Any clearer?

Andy

[whitekeys26]

So the I chord in the key of A (A major) has its root 6th string 5th fret - the popular option is to play an 'E' shaped barre chord at the 5th fret (but you could just as well play a G shaped barre chord). The corresponding IV chord (D major) has its root on the 5th string, 5th fret - the popular otion is to play an 'A' shaped barre chord at the 5th fret (but you could equally well play a C chaped barre chord), etc.

Any clearer?

Andy

wow thank you for that. I understand the difference between 1,3,5 and I, III, V..I was just rushing my post.

But yeah you cleared it up tremendously.  It was just that last part at the bottom of the page that completely screwed my brain.  The "Try it now -and check it" section.  When he stated

"So the key is A, Chord I will be A, chord II is one tone higher so that must be B min....."

I just sort of scratched my head and wondered how do you just put your finger on the 6th string at the 5th fret and that be an A chord? So I figured it was a typo and he meant note, not chord.  Then I kept reading and I was like huh? It is a chord? So i tried applying the multiple variations at fingering an A chord while trying to make it work, and I just couldnt figure it out.  But I did not think of using barre chords.

But I understand it all now, wow now its like..."how did I not understand that...." lol