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Help with transposing this song.
« on: September 29, 2021, 11:53:44 am »
Hi all.
I’m trying to transpose this children’s song to play for my 3 year old grandson. It’s in an odd key I think and I just can’t get it. The only chord I’ve managed to work out is the F major. The others are eluding me. Can anyone help?



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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2021, 01:08:01 pm »
Gordon

Sorry I cheated and dropped the downloaded vid into Riffstation. That came up with

Intro
Dm C G Dm
Verse section
Dm C Dm G
Dm C G Dm

Tempo 91 bpm

I stump for Key of C
II I II V
II I V II

RS doesn;t flag an F I'm afraid but it could be wrong.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2021, 01:47:08 pm »
I’ve had a quick look at Johnny come marching home (which is the same tune and got this by transposing it from its usual key

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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2021, 02:47:01 pm »
I'm glad I didn't have a 'cheat peak' but had a go figuring it out myself.
It was a fun exercise and I'd go with Darrell's, which looks the most reliable

This is what I came up using the ol' lugs, which isn't too far off  ;D
d F C C 
d F A7 A7 
A7 g F E7 
A7 g F E7 d d

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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2021, 08:52:25 pm »
Thanks so much for taking the time to look at this guys! Much appreciated, although I now feel a bit useless as the chords are not exactly obscure! I think the Dm start threw me. Yet another area of guitar I need to work on. (Does it never end?).
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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2021, 09:27:31 am »
I now feel a bit useless as the chords are not exactly obscure! I think the Dm start threw me. Yet another area of guitar I need to work on. (Does it never end?).
Be not disheartened, good Sir!
I often struggle to tell the difference between an Am and C chord.

There's a common thread between this and your impro post: The root note.
It's well worth spending a bit of your 'noodling time' trying to pick out the root notes of whatever you're listening to. Just put you finger on one of the E strings and slide it up the neck till you find a note that sounds sweeter than all the others most of the time. In this song it happens to be D.
Then you can just look at the circle of fifths, and even if you haven't done all the theory, the chords from the rest of the song are likely to be all those chords surrounding the D chord (or d as is the case here) on the Co5.
(Of course some fancy pants change key mid-song, which is just not cricket  ::))
Finding the root note is also the prerequisite for being able to play any solo.
But you know that  :)

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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2021, 10:06:31 am »
I will never again make the mistake of assuming childrens’ songs are easy to play. I’m going with Darrell‘s version and the final Dm, C, A#, A7, Dm, A7, Dm is quite challenging with one beat on each chord. Sounds terrific once you get it down however!

I suppose the thing is that although the lyrics are for children, many of the melodies of these kids songs are based on old traditional melodies that have stood the test of time.

Be not disheartened, good Sir!
I often struggle to tell the difference between an Am and C chord.
There's a common thread between this and your impro post: The root note.
I did actually look at my circle of fifths charts when trying to do this Brian but the minor key and the 7ths and #s threw me. It is an area I need to work at (like so many others!). Your tip about sliding up the e string is a good one. Thanks. 👍
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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2021, 10:23:47 am »
I will never again make the mistake of assuming childrens’ songs are easy to play. I’m going with Darrell‘s version and the final Dm, C, A#, A7, Dm, A7, Dm is quite challenging with one beat on each chord. Sounds terrific once you get it down however!
When I played this I used A and E shaped barre chords starting on the 5th fret, it makes it much easier than trying to play open chords. HTH!

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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2021, 02:32:36 pm »
Another option to find the key of a song is to play the minor pentatonic over any song until you find the one which sounds correct, just start at fret one and move up one fret at a time until it sounds right. i fing it works pretty much every time
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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2021, 04:50:52 pm »
Thanks Greg, I guess there are many ways to skin a cat!
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Re: Help with transposing this song.
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2021, 08:33:17 pm »
When I played this I used A and E shaped barre chords starting on the 5th fret, it makes it much easier than trying to play open chords. HTH!
It does, thanks Darrell. I’ve got the open chords sorted but I’ll give the barre chords a go too.
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