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Offline stitch101

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2021, 11:26:38 pm »


 I have tried for the last half a year or so, dedicating like half an hour a DAY to this issue. Everything just grinds to a halt when F pops up in some chord progression.



Your not going to like this but this is the problem.

You need to spend 5 minutes a day addressing the problem. Which in your own word is

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My big frustration lies with finger 3 and 4. I simply CANNOT switch quickly from any other open chord into F.
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Everything just grinds to a halt when F pops up in some chord progression.

You need to pick a chord progression G F C F and painstakingly slow force your finger do what you
want then to do.
Another good trick is to do the One chord change (not the One Minute) the One Chord

It goes like this. Play the F, lift your fingers off the strings then place them back down repeat
over and over.
Do it slow make those fingers go where you want them to go.
When that becomes easy Play the F take your whole hand off the fret board and then play an
other F. Rinse and repeat
When that becomes easy play the F take your whole hand off the fret board and touch your knee.
Again over and over until you can play the F chord in your sleep.

5 minutes a day for a few weeks and you should see a big improvement.
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2021, 11:33:26 pm »
Again over and over until you can play the F chord in your sleep.
A nice lesson - thanks - need to try this as well.

With or without looking at the hand, fingers and fret board?
Starting with looking I guess..

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2021, 03:52:48 am »
Play in the dark, use the ear, I think this will help to improve faster


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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2021, 04:00:04 am »
Ok new photo.
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The sound seems good when I down strum every single string, instead if I try to strum up and down with energy and quick sometimes I hear 1 o 2 string not perfectly clean.

Regarding change chords, I watched the Justin video, and for him it is perfectly fine put the finger one at the time at this level. It's ok? In the sense I can reach a decent number changes or I need to try to move finger together?
My thumb is placed more towards the middle in order to have more pressure for the index finger, otherwise the high e string is often muted. I’m an Asian with relatively smaller hand, maybe it is a different case for you.


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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2021, 09:22:15 am »
Play in the dark, use the ear, I think this will help to improve faster
I've never really understood this. If you are having problems placing your fingers in the correct position how will playing in the dark help? Surely you will be just fumbling around trying to the placing fingers. Isn't the idea to place in the correct position and repeat?

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2021, 09:46:47 am »
Playing in the dark removes one of your senses from the equation so allows you to concentrate more on what is left, it’s something that I do quite often when I have minor issues with the odd things, not exclusively guitar related!

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2021, 10:34:43 am »
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It goes like this. Play the F, lift your fingers off the strings then place them back down repeat
over and over.
Do it slow make those fingers go where you want them to go.
When that becomes easy Play the F take your whole hand off the fret board and then play an
other F. Rinse and repeat
When that becomes easy play the F take your whole hand off the fret board and touch your knee.
Again over and over until you can play the F chord in your sleep.

Good one Stitch I'd forgotten this trusted gem !!

As to playing in the dark, it can be effective. I very experienced friend of mine suggested it years ago. His theory being when you are on stage gigging with theatre light etc you can't see much, so learning to play in the dark overcomes that issue. But just try closing your eyes to get the same effect, especially when trying it for the first time. It sounds counter intuitive but is effective. For example, start some 1 minute changes type routine (don't worry about the figures) just back and forth between 2 chords, then try it with your eyes closed. You may be surprised. And its cheaper for day time practice as you don't have to kit the house out with blackout boards and curtains (available at Army Surplus should you wish).

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2021, 05:26:23 pm »


I feel like I just can't seem to be able to build the muscle memory to move my 3rd and 4th finger towards the thicker strings with the 2nd finger moving in the opposite direction. I find that a really hard move.



How are your transitions to the C chord?

To me in the beginning there are three "types" of chords.

1 = Clustered fingers. A, D, E, Am are example where the fingers are bunched together an tend to "support" each other.  These are generally the easiest chords and probably why we start there.

2 = Spread out chords. F-mini, C, Dm. This is where you start working across 2 or 3 frets and the first finger is on the higher strings and in the case of F and C the "weaker" fingers have to do new things like stretch and curl across strings so as not to mute and stand alone (usually) in their efforts.

3 = The last beginner category I call contortion chords. Some fingers are all the way across the fret board and one finger has to be in a different post code - G is a good example.  Depending on how you play it, you have 1 and 2 on 5 and 6 and 3 (or 4) on 1. These start to rely on hand and finger flexibility as much as stretch.

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4 = Bar chords and power chords

5 = "Whole hand" chords like Bm where all 4 fingers are doing a job.

Suffice to say I practiced C to F a lot. Then Am to C, then Am to F.  For me this helped transition getting fingers 2 and 3 to launch their way "up" the fret board while having an anchor for finger 1. Then doing the same with Dm where finger 1 also has to jump a string.

The idea is to get the subconscious to start imprinting the chord shape.

Another exercise I do after that with certain chords is "eyes closed" - Not caring how long it takes, feel the fingers plant on each string one at a time. Feel the string and feel the edge of the fret. Do that for a while.

Then my last exercise for tough chords is "lift and plant" - With the chord formed and ringing true slowly lift all fingers up about 1/4 inch and then plant them again. This give you an idea if the chord shape is starting to imprint in your brain.
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2021, 06:13:39 pm »
This how I get it:
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... should be a link to a sound track, but it's not
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2021, 07:44:56 pm »
Hi,
It's more than 2 months in learning F. I succed to do almost 60 changes in a minute between Am and F that is the one I need to do "The passanger" song.

The problem is this: I put my finger in F shape, strum every single string and sound clean, than keeping the F position I strum up and down all the strings with energy.
After this I retry to strum every single string and now a few buzz, almost always B.
I thought my shape is not correct, so I change it 3 times, but the problem persist.
I tried to do the same experiment on the second fret and no problem, after the up down strummig, all strings continue to sounds clean.

Sometimes works also in the first fret, but I do not know how, probabily there is a precise combination of pressure angle and position than work, but it happens luckely and with a lot of pressure.
Playing song often I do not succeed to understand if someone buzz or not, but If I stop and strum every single string usually B buzz.

I wrote the message, because at this moment I need to choose a shape and to continue practising with it, because I wasted a lot of time changing and relearning different ones.

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2021, 09:49:26 pm »
Hi Skuilla I think you are missing here one point - if you practice E shaped barre chord (F chord) for a long time constantly your hand is going to get fatigued. If you can play a song using F chord with clean changes, no hesitation you are there. Pick the most convenient way and most effective one to hold the chord and keep playing it like this whenever you practice. I think when you strum during songs and you get an occasional buzz from B string it won't be the end of the world, but if you hear it try to gently move around, up or down your index finger while strumming to make contact better between fretboard and your finger. To me it sounds like you are good!

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2021, 03:42:13 am »
Finally E shaped barre chord is feeling “natural”!!

Whooo hoooo!!

I’ve been working on Lesson 9 for almost three weeks now, with a really focused effort on C and/or D changes to F - something clicked in the past three days I’ve gone from 25 changes/min to 60 and it’s no longer feeling “forced”. Nice little victory!  Hope tomorrow my hand hasn’t forgotten how to do it :)

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2021, 03:48:51 am »
Finally E shaped barre chord is feeling “natural”!!

Whooo hoooo!!

I’ve been working on Lesson 9 for almost three weeks now, with a really focused effort on C and/or D changes to F - something clicked in the past three days I’ve gone from 25 changes/min to 60 and it’s no longer feeling “forced”. Nice little victory!  Hope tomorrow my hand hasn’t forgotten how to do it :)
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #63 on: April 30, 2021, 10:35:14 am »
Congratz it's a proper reason to celebrate! F is I think a big milestone in any guitar player's life so cherish it and enjoy the moment as you should :)

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #64 on: April 30, 2021, 11:20:09 am »
Good for you, jsgreen, a moment to celebrate!

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #65 on: April 30, 2021, 12:09:01 pm »
Yay!!

Congratulations! That's a moment to celebrate indeed.
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2021, 09:39:08 am »
Well done! And the best bit is you can slide the shape up the neck and play another dozen chords.
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2021, 10:07:54 am »
Well done! And the best bit is you can slide the shape up the neck and play another dozen chords.

And drop it down a string and play a dozen minor chords !! But save that for later.  ;)
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