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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2021, 01:05:21 pm »
Note:
when playing the x33211 you are playing a slash chord

F/C

as C is the bass note.

edited thanks to DavidP below ...

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2021, 01:43:23 pm »
Note:
when playing the x33211 you are playing a slash chord

C/F

as F is the bass note.

I'm confused, Richard. I would have said F/C. If I am reading the fingering correctly the notes are xCFACF so with the 6 string muted/not played the lowest note is a C?

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2021, 01:53:30 pm »
whoops - corrected

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2021, 02:21:19 pm »
whoops - corrected

Just checking to see that we are all reading and paying attention, Richard ... an old teaching trick  ;)

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2021, 02:25:33 pm »
Haha Glad you got Richard to sort that David. I’ve just spent 20 minutes looking up chord charts and neck diagrams trying to figure it out!!😂
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2021, 02:58:53 pm »
I'm confused, Richard. I would have said F/C. If I am reading the fingering correctly the notes are xCFACF so with the 6 string muted/not played the lowest note is a C?

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2021, 08:39:02 pm »
I can do it at the 6th fret, which im delighted with :)

Just need to work my way down, slow and steady wins the race lol

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2021, 09:41:53 pm »
I can do it at the 6th fret, which im delighted with :)

Just need to work my way down, slow and steady wins the race lol
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2021, 07:33:49 pm »
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2021, 05:53:48 pm »
What number or goal should i be aiming for on the 1 min changes for these chords
F to G
F to Am
F to  C  ETC

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2021, 05:56:30 pm »
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2021, 05:58:06 pm »
Once you get around 45/50 clean changes you basically need to use them in songs to see how they work, ideally 60+ is the best target but not at the expense of you not playing the songs that involve using them.

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2021, 06:14:21 pm »
Agreed 45-50 seems fluent to me, assuming they are clean. Anything less than 30 would be not enough. Once you get to around 35 ish try using those changes to a song to see how are you getting on, Big Me by Foo Fighters is a great excercise.

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2021, 08:00:13 pm »
Hi guys,
since with mini-F my initial shape was not correct, this time I prefer to post my F-barrè to be sure.
https://ibb.co/6mPBnVh

Only a question often during change chord, the finger 3 4 are not perfectly attached each other is that ok?

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2021, 08:03:38 pm »
Hi Skuilla if your index finger is slightly twisted and chord sounds good then it looks good to me (sorry not able to tell from the photo re index finger).

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2021, 08:13:43 pm »
The camera of my phone is terrible, tomorrow I try with another, sorry. :(

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2021, 06:25:49 pm »
Ok new photo.
https://ibb.co/TPW0V1W
The sound seems good when I down strum every single string, instead if I try to strum up and down with energy and quick sometimes I hear 1 o 2 string not perfectly clean.

Regarding change chords, I watched the Justin video, and for him it is perfectly fine put the finger one at the time at this level. It's ok? In the sense I can reach a decent number changes or I need to try to move finger together?

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2021, 06:56:05 pm »
Ideally you want them moving in a shape together before you touch strings, you are less at risk if not playing all notes clear if you do so. From the photo I think you have it sorted, sounds to me you can play this one clean so now it's just practice :)

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2021, 07:50:54 pm »
Ok - everything I read on the F chord topic relates to the barre part of it. But here's the thing, the barring bit, for me, works fine. I can make the chord ring out clearly,when i just play the F out of the context of a song.

My big frustration lies with finger 3 and 4. I simply CANNOT switch quickly from any other open chord into F. I have tried for the last half a year or so, dedicating like half an hour a DAY to this issue. Everything just grinds to a halt when F pops up in some chord progression.

I feel like I just can't seem to be able to build the muscle memory to move my 3rd and 4th finger towards the thicker strings with the 2nd finger moving in the opposite direction. I find that a really hard move.

ANY tips how to practice for this??? I make simply NO progress whatsoever. And again, the barring bit works fine.
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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2021, 08:09:45 pm »
Gertvr

You have my sympathies and you bring back memories of similar torrid month upon month of the same problem. Ok on its own, pants in songs !! Have you tried the 1 minute changes going from an open chord to the bare F, ie away from the context of an actual song. That worked for me. I would work on C to F to C To F etc or G to F, pretty much anything but real slow to start with, painfully slow and gradually built up the speed until I was doing around 60 changes a minute. It took a while and lots of concentration but keeping it real slow to start with and arriving and returning from lots of different chords, seemed to help my barre memory develop. Once that seemed to be working, I took a similar approach to songs with the full F, slowed the progression right down. Got the changes clean and worked back up to full speed. It might sound like a ball ache but this approach does solve a lot of issues. Practice slow, get it right.

Others may suggest alternatives, just my take.

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2021, 08:22:12 pm »
I agree OMC. are the key ....go from  open G to Barre F / C to F /Am to F  etc.
i have gone from 12 one minute changes  to over 40 in 2 weeks.. target is 60

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2021, 09:49:52 pm »
I can now do it at the 4th fret :)

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2021, 10:52:56 pm »
go from  open G to Barre F / C to F /Am to F  etc.

I would work on C to F to C To F etc or G to F,

Started doing F with the same approach:
Exactly open G to Barre F / C to F /Am to F ,

 the only thing I still can't get classic G as per Justin sound right,
still muting the 5th string usually..
C and Am are much easier and cleaner.

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2021, 11:08:41 pm »
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Don't worry too much about muting the 5th on that G, even Justin says it muddies the waters most of the time hence the G variants he teaches. I would think your hand maybe too flat. So yeah this thread is about the F barre but try dropping your thumb lower at the back of the neck, which will effectively elongate your fingers over the fretboard and you will be able to get up on your finger tips and approach the frets closer to 90 degrees. Ok it will be flatter than that but with a lower thumb you will get more finger clearance.

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Re: B2-0901 The F chord
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2021, 11:24:12 pm »
Don't worry too much about muting the 5th on that G, even Justin says it muddies the waters most of the time hence the G variants he teaches.

Thank you for the heads-up, Toby mate! :)
Will give a try..
'cos of this 5th string muting I'd usually prefer Justin's most simplified G (1-6th strings)
so maybe changing this simple G >>> F >>> simple G is also worth trying..

 

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