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Twilight Storm's Road Case
« on: February 11, 2020, 05:51:20 am »
02-10-2020 (Still really sick with this cold)
Found the "G major scale shape in 1st position E shape" page and practiced that for a few days. Since I got my bar chord calluses on pointer from ukulele already (so glad I did that now but that was months of torture pretty soon after I got fingertips to stop hurting. I really hated that. I was miserable.)

I tried the scale exercise by playing the G chord Justin plays in the video, and went back to find the open G shape to play at the end of the exercise. Fun stuff! Electric guitar strings are so easy to press compared to the flourocarbon ukulele strings! I still highly dislike round wound strings. Doesn't seem to matter what they're on. I like flatwound on my low G. Got to scrape together enough to buy a set of flats for the guitar and ask to see which set wears the longest.

Decided to find out how to play the rest of the chords in the key of G since it seemed like a good idea. I can play G two ways, open C, open D (which is the G chord on Ukulele and that's going to REALLY screw with my head for a while) open Am, open Em and Bm (It's a bar shape)

I'm looking for F#dim now.

I consider myself a beginner in uke because I suck still, but I guess going right to fingerstyle on uke and starting to immerse myself in theory my second month in helped. (Still a long way to go there)

The ear training thing is helpful although I can't use the app since it's icrap and google store but doing it on the web page is nice. (Thank you for that) I can get to level 4 and then everything falls apart. It's nice to be able to know what it is i'm having a hard time with.

I find it frustrating in a video Justin mentioned he transcribed Fade to Black in school. I searched the site because it was a song I wanted to learn when it came out and IT'S NOT HERE! Seriously?? Wtf lol. Can't there be ONE stinking song I REALLY want to learn that I don't need to figure out myself??!! Site has some good songs but nothing on my to-do asap list.

Anyway once I find F# diminished i'm going to practice switching between all of them for a while, as well as the scale and play around before doing anything new (other than ear training. It's highly disturbing and alarming feeling I can't hear some note frequencies(?) very well.

Guitar is different from uke, but the same enough it kind of puts me in a weird limbo of swimming around between beginner and intermediate lessons here especially since I started uke learning fingerstyle because I don't sing.

Ok rest shouldn't be a "blog style entry" just wanted to document my beginning so I know what I started with.
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2020, 09:48:29 am »
Welcome to the Community. Interesting way to get into learning...learning the chords that you play in tbe key of G, rather than tbe open chords in Justin's lesson sequence.

Personally I wouldn't worry too much about F#dim. I play songs mostly in G or C and have never needed F#dim or Bdim, the vii chord in C.

I'd also learn A E and Dm as you go along, to have the basic 8 open chords learned. Depending on your goals of course, these 8 enable playing of many songs.

Anyhow, wish you well.

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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2020, 01:36:39 pm »
Hi TS
As a beginner myself, I’d be interested to know why you’ve taken your own approach to learning guitar and have created your own learning path. Justin’s course is very well structured and methodical and gets results if you stick with it.

Combining the lessons with his songbooks, you would, I’m sure find lots of songs that you’d enjoy learning.

I echo what David said about F#dim and Bdim. I’ve not needed either of them so far and haven’t a clue how to play them.
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2020, 05:19:11 am »
Didn't think of it as taking my own approach or learning path?

I'm broke so if a songbook is paid content, I can't use them. I can only utilize free content. I have no desire to sing and so far haven't come across any songs here that have tabs (not sure any do now actually, if a songbook is involved) so I am doing what I can with what he's provided. 💖 Which I think the ear training is extremely generous especially.
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 07:02:14 am »
Didn't think of it as taking my own approach or learning path?

But it totally is.
Trying to learn diminished chords so you can learn all chords in one key only is a very unique (and if I may be advisorily blunt) misguided learning path.
Follow Justin's Beginner Course.

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so if a songbook is paid content, I can't use them.

There are 587 FREE song lessons here ...

https://www.justinguitar.com/songs

You do not need TAB. The chords are shown, explained, played, the song is shown, explained played, the strumming is shown, explained played.
Are there none you like out of nearly 600?

Even if your answer is yes then I strongly advise you to overcome your rejection and dislike of these songs as you will learn everything you need to learn by choosing some of them and learning to play them.
Everything you learn from here will translate in to being able to successfully learn what ever songs you really do want to learn as you will be a much better guitarist.

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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 08:11:01 am »
Listen, I appreciate everyone's concern. I came back to post my second official journal entry because I busted out laughing at the irony life gives sometimes at unexpected moments.... Didn't expect another reply.

I found one I like. ironically it USES F# diminished!!!!!

I didn't go hunting specifically for songs using it. I just scrolled through songs until I said "I like that song." (But a different version which STILL uses the diminished chord...)

It doesn't use most of the rest of the chords I picked to learn. So with that reasoning, why learn the others???!!!

That's silly reasoning!!!

Again i'm going through his coarses. I apologize for using the website a bit different then most people. I don't mean to ruffle feathers in the comunity.

I just want to learn guitar. (And learn something I like, and want to play.)






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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 09:28:19 am »
I found one I like. ironically it USES F# diminished!!!!!
I apologize for using the website a bit different then most people. I don't mean to ruffle feathers in the comunity.
No need to apologise, this community is always keen to help and offer advice.
You haven’t told us what song you found. I for one would love to know and if I like it too, I’ll learn F#dim along with you!
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2020, 09:38:30 am »
I too would be interested to know the song ... the two versions also as you mention there are different ones.

And you're not ruffling feathers. Truly. You're just getting advice from people that have seen too many crash and burn and give up because they tried to learn using methods that had no success rate (whereas Justin's course has a 90% + success rate I would hazard to guess).


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Welcome to the forum - and kudos for putting your learning in to a road case.

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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2020, 09:42:21 am »
02-12-2020
Friend gave me a fortune cookie yesterday it said:

Your reward is the walk, not the destination. - Highly fitting for guitar.

Since everyone is all about me finding some song I looked through the list again abandoning hope of tabs and found one I like, and want to play.

Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out.

It's Clapton instead of Scrapper. Sounds close-ish. I apparently do have undiagnosed real OCD because it nags at me Clapton is playing it wrong. It's probably going to end up bugging the hell out of me that i'm playing it wrong in return so i'm not sure how far I will get with it.

What made me really laugh for real was it uses F# diminished!!! Roflmao!! What were the chances!!!! I about died when he mentioned the chord!

Fate gets a perfect 100 points for Irony and humor!

I however need to find chord diagrams now. :D And my fingerpicks so I don't destroy my nails making all fingerpicking a pain.

C E7 A7 Dm A7 Dm riff F F#dim C riff A7 D7 G
« Last Edit: February 12, 2020, 10:42:04 am by Twilight Storm »
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2020, 09:47:24 am »
I admire your ambition.

That song is 2nd tier Intermediate difficulty.

Some people that have spent hard hours and diligent practice time working through the Beginner course and have now moved on to the Intermediate level after one or two years playing will struggle with that song.


Eric doesn't play it wrong - it's blues .. he plays it differently to the version you know. :)

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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2020, 10:09:31 am »
Sorry, I was making my entry when you guys were replying here. The forum warned me, but I didn't see why I wouldn't want to make my case entry.

Close2U, I owe you a vibe thing for posts elsewhere. I couldn't vibe you when I started.

I seriously do appreciate the advice but let me see if I can do it first. 😁 Tier 2 intermediate beats my other options. So that's a step in the right direction for me.

I know Clapton isn't playing it wrong btw 😋 it's just not how it goes. 😉
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2020, 10:45:18 am »
Funnily enough that’s a song I’ve been playing. Not fingerpicking, as my skills aren’t good enough yet, but flat-pick strumming and picking out notes. I’ve been using B7 and not F#dim. I’m going to learn F#dim now!
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2020, 11:43:09 am »
I’m going to learn F#dim now!
As usual there are lots of ways to play this chord. The one I’ve found that fits and is fairly easy to play is xx4545. Any thoughts?
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2020, 12:49:26 pm »
Yea! Company! I think I wrote down all the shapes I need.
I watched what he did and rooted around in pictures until I found a chord diagram on the 5th fret. For F#dim you just skip a fret so 5's and 7's I think.

I put on the picks and learned I wish the middle pickup wasn't there.... I'm smacking the pickup to death because a hole is usually there... I pulled out my broken acoustic (First Act) It's neck is coming off so it's notes are all the same around the 11 12th and 13th frets. But I don't need to go up that far.
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2020, 01:54:30 pm »
Sair it's the same thing probably with flat picking the song and fingerstyle? It reads like you're doing the same thing, just with a pick. I tried with a pick.. I can't. Fingerpicking is definitely a comfort zone for me. Wearing fingerpicks not so much.

The shapes aren't too bad though. D7 is weird. Not sure I wrote it down right... Got to check that later.

Cycled through the 8 different chords and they're not bad.

I need a bit of sleep now though. I'll double check tonight.
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2020, 08:29:57 pm »
As usual there are lots of ways to play this chord. The one I’ve found that fits and is fairly easy to play is xx4545. Any thoughts?

Here's the funny thing with diminished chords.
The note you are playing are XX F# C D# A Which are the notes in F#dim7, Cdim7, D#dim7 and Adim7.
So you have just learnt 4 new chords.

Slide this chord up one Fret and you get G C# E A# which are in the chords Gdim7, C#dim7, Edim7
and A#dim7.
now you have learnt 4 more new chords.

Slide up one more fret and you get G# D F B which are in the chords G#dim7, Ddim7. Fdim7 and Bdim7.
now you have learnt 4 more new chords. that makes 12.

Now here is the kicker. Slide that chord up one more fret and you get get the notes A D# F# C.
Do these note look familiar? They are the same note as the first set just in a different order.
This means the cycle start all over again and again and again.


Congratulations you have just learnt all of the Dim7 chords all the way up the neck
using this pattern.  :) :D ;D
This works with the other dim patterns as well.
 



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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2020, 10:06:22 pm »
Nicely explained stitch.

Diminished chords are not all bad news and meh.
They have much beauty.

They just sound a bit 'weird' and are not used very much in most song styles.

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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2020, 10:53:54 pm »
Congratulations you have just learnt all of the Dim7 chords all the way up the neck
using this pattern.  :) :D ;D
This works with the other dim patterns as well.
Wow thanks stitch. Loving the buy one get one (or in this case at least 12) free concept! You’re the man!
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2020, 03:10:17 am »
Nice Stitch I gave you a vibe thing. Wonder if a diminished shape works the same way on uke.

I got 1 play on part 1 before the video started bouncing up and down and came in today to say you were right Sair. Sorry about that. Definitely 4th fret.

Semi official 02-12-2020

I altered my chord diagram. I got the sequence written correctly last night at least. Not sure if we are expected to tab it out ourselves but that isn't going to happen.

Without tabs I have a feeling I will go completely off the rails with guitar. I "take it (music) and make it my own" too much already when I have hard fast tabs to work off of.

Anyway, will pop in after I finished practicing everything to make my official case entry.

Guitar - Going to work on the chord changes and sequence tonight. Not going to worry about the picking at all today.

Ukulele - I gave up (for now) with tapped harmonics. i'm smacking the fret too slow. If I keep at it I'll never get the performance song done before the deadline. I can do artificial plucked ones okay enough now, might stick with the easier version. I lost my thumb nail which is just freaking super. It's gone to the nail bed. Might try thumb pick this month. Might try a guitar pick? Need to see.

Treating Down and Out as a second challenge with a tentative: Post where I'm at, around the end of the month thing.
Hopefully no one makes fun of me in here or i'll delete them.
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2020, 09:04:34 am »
02-13-2020
My dog thinks I am terrible at guitar, or she's acutely aware the acoustic sounds out of tune.
Practiced since last post with frequent breaks, dinner etc. Got the basic chord progression I think? The two little riffs are super fun. Forgot the last G has that change to fret 1. So it didn't get in there at all. Should have made a chord diagram for it. Having a hard time with the D7. Everything just stops dead there while I try to remember what to do. C isn't a shape i'm used to still. Just kind of smushing around on the strings with the rhythm to make it sound bluesy. Didn't do the bass thing on the D7 either.

Friend is thrilled i'm learning this "Easy" song... He said it then stuttered and changed the subject fast lol! but is all excited to learn the F#Diminished and a couple "new" chords to him... He's humoring me but that's okay. He wants to get me, and his two friends who are just learning guitar together to teach us chords. Not sure how that's going to go.

Time for uke.. Kind of dreading jumping into the song. Not done with the coarse. Won't have hope remembering the arrangement if I don't.




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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2020, 05:46:50 pm »
02-14-2020 Valentine's Day. Still feel absolutely rotten. Cold seems better then I feel worse.

Got the picking pattern mostly down. The last A7 in the sequence I play strummed.  Recorded myself, sounds really out of tune on the broken acoustic on the D7 and last G. -Super cringy out of tune. Kind of fitting for the song though.

Haven't gotten comfortable enough yet with the sequence's chord changes in all places to be able to try it in any kind of timing yet. Might post a clip on progress.

Uke - Bleh. Having a hard time with artificial harmonics on the chord shapes. I don't have the pinchy movement or the light sweep across the strings, down. it's really hard to use the thumb pick!!!!! Wish I had enough thumb nail to pluck with! He says we don't need to play the harmonics on the chords if we can't, but i'd like to be able to do it. 😕
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2020, 09:42:12 pm »
Not quite sure what you mean by harmonics on the chords, do you mean touched harmonics 12 frets above the fingered fret? I can’t imagine them being easy on a purely acoustic uke, not too bad on an electro! What size uke are you using, my tenor electro is low G with all fluocarbon strings - a Living water custom set! I’ve got a Sop, concert, 2 Tenors (low and high G) a bowl back baritone and a bass; got a bit carried away 😂 - then there’s the Guitars.................
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2020, 03:17:21 am »
02-14-2020
This is where I'm at with it so far.. I chopped a section. No effects except some eq to get rid of hiss. Didn't spend time on eq because it's practice anyway so....

https://soundcloud.com/user-468191094/nkywydaoprac02142020

Darrell it's just one of the February challenge songs for the uke site I belong to. Amazing Grace done in harmonics. It's all good. I'll get it sorted out. I play a low G t tenor. You have an assortment!!
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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2020, 07:07:42 am »
Twilight, this is sounding really good ... excellent progress so far. Well done.

You mentioned hiss and using EQ to reduce it.  How are you making the recording?  Another option to reduce hiss is to use a noise filter, that is the way I do it.  Depending on you are processing the recording you may have one available.  And depending on how you are making the recording there may be tweaks to make that would help reduce the hiss.  I'm no expert, just a regular member here, but happy to share my experiences on the recording if it will be helpful.

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Re: Twilight Storm's Road Case
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2020, 07:53:57 am »
02-14-2020
This is where I'm at with it so far.. I chopped a section. No effects except some eq to get rid of hiss. Didn't spend time on eq because it's practice anyway so....
https://soundcloud.com/user-468191094/
Darrell it's just one of the February challenge songs for the uke site I belong to. Amazing Grace done in harmonics. It's all good. I'll get it sorted out. I play a low G t tenor. You have an assortment!!
You did pretty well there, a few hesitations but hey you’ve only been playing guitar for a few weeks!

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