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Offline Thembonez

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Key confusion
« on: October 06, 2019, 03:52:59 pm »
Not sure if this is where I should be with this post, but please bare with me. I’ve put off learning my theory way too long and have finally came to my senses. Still, I’ve to fully understand a majority of the concepts. My question (at this time), cause their will be countless ones to follow. When strumming out  a progressio of Em, dsus2, cadd9, I’m having trouble figuring the key. C maybe? No accidentals?? E since this is where it seems to pull you to for a resolution? Major, minor? Has a ‘sadder sound to it? Again I’m sorry if this isn’t in the proper topic category, but any and all help would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Key confusion
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2019, 04:19:08 pm »
Your chord progression can be classified simply as :
E minor;
D Major or D minor (a sus chord is undefined in the major / minor sense);
C Major (Cadd9 is an extension of a major chord).

I'm going to lead you through four possible choices.

The key of C contains

the notes  --------------------  the chords:
C, D, E, F, G, A, B  ----------  C, Dm, Em, F, G, Am, Bdim


This contains Em, C and D minor.
Your progression would be a 3, 2, 1, 3 progression - a little unusual.
And the pull to the Em chord you describe suggests looking elsewhere.

If instead you started on the relative minor (the 6th of the major scale)
The key of A minor contains

the notes  --------------------  the chords:
A, B, C, D, E, F, G  ----------  Am, Bdim, C, Dm, Em, F, G,

This contains Em, C and D minor.
Your progression would be a 5, 4, 3, 5 progression with no tonic (1) chord - a little unusual.
And the pull to the Em chord you describe suggests looking elsewhere.
 
The key of G contains

the notes  --------------------  the chords:
G, A, B, C, D, E, F# ----------  G, Am, Bm, C, D, Em, F#dim

This contains Em, C and D major.
Your progression would be a 6, 5, 4, 6 progression - a little unusual without a tonic chord.
Again he pull to the Em chord you describe suggests looking elsewhere.

If instead you started on the relative minor (the 6th of the major scale)
The key of E minor contains

the notes  --------------------  the chords:
E, F#, G, A, B, C, D  ---------- Em, F#dim, G, Am, Bm, C, D

This contains Em, C and D major.
Your progression would be a 1, 7, 6, 1 progression - a little unusual perhaps.
But crucially the pull to the Em chord you describe suggests that this is a good reference / perspective.

I would place it in the key of E minor.


NB
I have deliberately avoided examining any other minor scale / key possibilities. Your pull to E minor suggests a minor key but I have left it simple and only looked at the 'natural minor'.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2019, 04:44:06 pm by close2u »

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Re: Key confusion
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2019, 04:41:22 pm »
@ close both these should say   relative minor
(the 6th of the major scale)
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If instead you started on the relative minor (the 5th of the major scale)
The key of A minor contains


[ mod edit = thanks Stitch ... that's what happens when you copy / paste a typo without proof reading. Now edited and corrected. ]


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This contains Em, C and D major.
Your progression would be a 6, 5, 4, 6 progression - a little unusual without a tonic chord.
Again he pull to the Em chord you describe suggests looking elsewhere.
If instead you started on the relative minor (the 5th of the major scale)
The key of E minor contains

@ Thembonez
A quick and easy way to find the key of a song is look at the major chord in the song.
I usually see sus chords as major chords (they are not always major)

In your example Em, Dsus2 and Cadd9 the D and C would be Major. When 2 major
chord are side by side C to D this means the are the 4th and 5th of the key.
This would make the Key G major. You said the song is pulling towards the Em.
Em is the relative minor of G. This would place the song in the key of Em.

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are free. The rest of the course is worth paying for.


« Last Edit: October 06, 2019, 04:45:16 pm by close2u »

Offline Thembonez

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Re: Key confusion
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2019, 04:46:07 pm »
Wow, that is a lot to digest!, upon reading my original post I began to wonder if I stated my progression correctly or if it made a difference. The chords are as stated, but being played Em-dsus2-cadd9-dsus2. It ends at dsus2, but tonality the Em does sound (as the previous reply stated) like it’d be my key. Again I’m grasping for straws here.

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Re: Key confusion
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2019, 04:54:30 pm »
This is the origin of the series "Scary Movie".
« Last Edit: October 06, 2019, 05:25:44 pm by Fresher »
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