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Offline DarrellW

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Re: ibanez or epiphone
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2019, 08:46:30 pm »
You don’t have to spend a great amount of money to get a playable instrument, take a look at the series Justin did on a really cheap Amazon electric guitar - OK so it needed setting up properly and it didn’t sound as good as more expensive ones.
By being a bit more flexible in what you get is a better idea, there are some quite decent guitars out there that don’t cost too much. From my own experience my Harley Benton Jazzmaster copy which cost less then £100 (B stock), with a bit of work it has turned out to be nice to play and sounds ok; also my Revelation thin line telecaster copy which cost just under £200 again a bit of work and it’s perfectly acceptable for my use - on both instruments I’m talking about adjustments not replacing parts.
Have a good look around and see what’s available in your price bracket and go play some and choose the one that you like the most, don’t buy anything without having tried it out, it doesn’t matter how good it is supposed to be if you don’t find it good to play,
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Re: ibanez or epiphone
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2019, 11:28:53 pm »
I have to take issue with the parallels and strength of this analogy.
I do not see it as holding value.

A top-spec very expensive computer will be 100% fantastic - or thereabouts - in all respects of using it.

A cheap computer will be less capable at certain computational tasks.
But the mouse will still operate smoothly and respond well and accurately to left and right clicks.
The keyboard will likely be fairly easy to use and the keys will depress just fine.
In other words the physical aspects of touching and using the cheap computer will all be more than acceptable.

A cheap (and nasty - I want to emphasise that part as not all cheap guitars are nasty) guitar will be physically more difficult to play. Period.
It is not about any potential sounds that a novice player is unable to get from a much more expensive counterpart.
It is about physical discomfort and pain often times for beginners with no well developed callouses or technique or finger strength in the right places.

Umm, no, that wasn't what I said. I'm talking about not know what they really want or need and can end up being wasteful of that item.

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Re: ibanez or epiphone
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2019, 01:30:18 am »
You don’t have to spend a great amount of money to get a playable instrument, take a look at the series Justin did on a really cheap Amazon electric guitar - OK so it needed setting up properly and it didn’t sound as good as more expensive ones.
By being a bit more flexible in what you get is a better idea, there are some quite decent guitars out there that don’t cost too much. From my own experience my Harley Benton Jazzmaster copy which cost less then £100 (B stock), with a bit of work it has turned out to be nice to play and sounds ok; also my Revelation thin line telecaster copy which cost just under £200 again a bit of work and it’s perfectly acceptable for my use - on both instruments I’m talking about adjustments not replacing parts.
Have a good look around and see what’s available in your price bracket and go play some and choose the one that you like the most, don’t buy anything without having tried it out, it doesn’t matter how good it is supposed to be if you don’t find it good to play,
This x10000

For a decade or so, my main guitar was an Ibanez SA160 that cost me $180.

It was super easy to setup and play. Very light and comfortable. Had zero problems with it in terms of electrics, hardware.

I also have a Gibson Les Paul Standard that came with fret buzz that I had to level and crown, weighs a TON and costs a heck of a lot more than my Ibanez.

Price IS NOT the be all and end all. There are a heck of a lot of great value guitars that professionals swear by. Ibanez, Yamaha, Washburn, Squier, Peavey, Fernandez, Harley Benton etc...you just have to try them all and not buy into the hype because pricey guitars can and do have issues as well.

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Re: ibanez or epiphone
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2019, 03:54:22 am »
Brand loyalty is silly. Play guitars in a shop until you find one you like the feel and sound of. Buy that one.

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Re: ibanez or epiphone
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2019, 11:33:58 pm »
This x10000

For a decade or so, my main guitar was an Ibanez SA160 that cost me $180.


What year was it made, and did you buy that new ?
Because the SA160 had a list price of roughly $449.99 during both production runs (2001-2005 and 2008-2011).

Brand loyalty is silly. Play guitars in a shop until you find one you like the feel and sound of. Buy that one.

Blind, unreasoned (or unreasonable) brand loyalty, sure, I'll gladly agree to call that silly.
Brand loyalty because of continued quality, a decent price point and/or a personal affinity with the models they sell ?
Can't see anything inherently wrong with that.

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That Justin feels that 'as long as you have a guitar to play it's fine', that's...
Really not how I got to know and love the man, but to my defense, since I don't watch his beginner videos these days (not surprising after having played guitar (badly) for 21 years  ;) ), I wasn't aware he'd switched opinions on that.
I'll have to agree to disagree, but my experience is from the guitar tech/sales side, on top of a regular guitar player's perspective, and...
Well, on the sales/tech side I've seen things (flaws in guitars, entire shipments that were sent back to the manufacturer for being 'monday morning mistakes') that would make most people cringe.

As for your computer analogy, I'm with close2u, it missed the bat entirely.
Again, I'm not advocating spending 500/1000 in any currency (or more like 2000 that a top of the line computer would cost) and be done with it, far from it.
The ESP/ltd guitars you mentioned were, as I already said, exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of : decent quality, but a bit above what you were looking at in price.
Same for that Ibanez ART, decent quality, far better than an Ibanez GIO, and far more likely to last you for a decent while.

And it's not about the price per sé, it's about knowing something with a bit more (lasting) quality, and knowing this unfortunately comes with a higher pricetag... well it is what it is.
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Re: ibanez or epiphone
« Reply #20 on: Today at 12:17:16 am »
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Darrell, you've been around these forums for a few years, you're a more experienced player, so you know the difference between salvageable or outright tat.
By now, you know how to do some of the work you mentioned when a guitar just needs some TLC to make it work, or at the very least you have someone you trust to do said work for you (and hopefully for a reasonable price), and you know how to work with what you have.
That you have progressed this far is great, and I want to sincerely congratulate you for getting to a point where you can make such calls for yourself, since that kind of knowledge is truly priceless.

However, where I have some reservations is the fact that, while you have that knowledge and experience, I get the feeling alien51 isn't quite at that point yet.
Is your advice sound for somewhat experienced players ?
Sure, you and I can do these things, as can others here.
But I'm not convinced it's a good idea to suggest this to someone who's still using a Squier Bullet Strat and hoping to upgrade.
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Re: ibanez or epiphone
« Reply #21 on: Today at 07:29:09 am »
Dan, to a point I agree with what you say but the point I was trying to make is that you don’t have to spend a great deal more than the cost of the Bullet strat to get something quite a bit better.
Personally I wouldn’t touch that particular model with a barge pole, my absolute minimum would be the Affinity, but preferably the Standard. Thomann are doing some decent guitars at very good prices these days, they are definitely very much better than the tat they used to churn out! My Jazzmaster copy for which I paid £99 for was playable out of the box and is fitted with reasonable alnico P90 pups my adjustments were more for my satisfaction than necessity.
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