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Re: Digitech Trio+ Some advice please.
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2019, 01:49:56 am »
I generally don't have problems attaining the same tempo between parts.

Some things to keep in mind:


1. Make sure you hear the click tempo before you teach the trio the next part.

2. Make sure you are in roughly the correct tempo. If necessary use a metronome. I generally only use a metronome for the first part if I'm trying to be accurate. The Trio+ seems very good at matching tempos.

3. Play a simple chord progression. DO NOT USE A COMPLEX STRUMMING PATTERN.

4. from the manual. If the TRIO+ provides an accompaniment that seems twice as fast or twice as slow as you expected,sometimes pressing the ALT TIME button can quickly give you the desired result. For more predictable ALT TIME functionality, you can enable Tempo Interpretation. See 'Tempo Interpretation Using The ALT TIME Button' on page 30 for more information.

5. Check the song using the trio manager software to find out what the actual tempo is for each part.

6. Check the genre/style hasn't changed significantly. Sometimes when you add a part it will select a completely inappropriate genre. Just set it back to what was working in the previous part and modify from there. You can force the Trio+ to use a particular genre/style for the part if you want to.  I usually don't. If it doesn't feel right I will modify it after I've heard Trios best effort.




I suspect number 3 might be you're problem. Don't play the song. The trio just needs to know the chord changes. If you are using a complex strumming pattern you might be confusing it.

From the manual:
TRIO+ can play songs with a maximum of one chord per beat, so try to keep your chord changes on
the beat. You can have chord changes on sub-beats, but be aware that the bass guitar will not follow
any such sub-beat changes.


Phillip McKnight has a helpful video on this. Keep it simple.



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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2019, 10:24:38 am »
Great work Matt.
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Re: Digitech Trio+ Some advice please.
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2019, 04:39:03 pm »
3. Play a simple chord progression. DO NOT USE A COMPLEX STRUMMING PATTERN.
I suspect number 3 might be you're problem. Don't play the song. The trio just needs to know the chord changes. If you are using a complex strumming pattern you might be confusing it.
Your right, a simple one strum to the bar or chord change sorts out the tempo issue.
Any tips on how to achieve an outro ending so that things don’t just stop in mid air so to speak?
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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2019, 07:56:57 am »

Any tips on how to achieve an outro ending so that things don’t just stop in mid air so to speak?

Glad to hear you got the timing sorted out. There is a learning curve involved with this pedal but it's not too difficult once you've been through it a few times.  Stick with it and I'm sure you'll be able to build songs quickly. It sounds like your on top of things already.  Once you know the parts and progressions of a song  the teaching and sequencing only take a few minutes. It's a great pedal for practicing, experimenting and jamming alone or with friends. It's helped me a lot. I play from time to time with a bass player and it's so quick and easy to put down a drum and rhythm track to jam with.  Lot's of fun to be had with this pedal.

Check youtube to see how others use the pedal. There are a lot of good videos to help you get the most out of it.

Unfortunately I can't offer any help on the outro/ending.  It's a common question and I've never seen it answered. If you want a more accurate backing then you might want to look at  software/DAW that is specifically designed to build backing tracks.  But as something that can give you a backing track to a song with basic chord progressions in  a very short time, the Trio+ is fantastic. It does, however, have it's limitations as you've just discovered.

Don't forget that you initially bought this pedal as a looper pedal.  Remember you can use it as a stand alone looper. You don't have to use the band function

Watch Doug Aldrich use the simple ditto looper below.




Paul Gilbert with a simple ditto




Kasper Falkenberg using a simple  looper




TCelectronic has a bunch of videos of great guitarists using their loopers. If you run out if ideas you could go here for inspiration.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ditto+starjam




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Re: Digitech Trio+ Some advice please.
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2019, 08:58:17 am »
Hi Matt
Thanks so much again for all your time and effort. I (and I’m sure others reading this thread) really appreciate it. I’m not at the stage of wanting to use DAW software, the Trio+ is plenty for me at the moment. I need to spend as much time as possible learning to play my actual guitar and the Trio is certainly helping with that already!

Regarding outro endings, I have, by accident, created a sort of double drum beat right at the end of some of my backing tracks. Unfortunately I don’t know what I did differently, so I’ll have to try to analyse this as it gives a better ending to a song.

Haven’t had a chance to look at your looper links but you’ve given me plenty ‘homework’!
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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2019, 05:35:32 pm »
if you use the song function it will add a final flourish at the end with some drums.
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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2019, 02:14:38 pm »
Haven’t had a chance to look at your looper links but you’ve given me plenty ‘homework’!
I’ve had a look at the looper links now. Really useful to see what can be done and I can only dream that someday I might be a fraction as good!
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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2019, 02:19:38 pm »
if you use the song function it will add a final flourish at the end with some drums.
Hi Rossco. Yes if you can get the timing right with the song function you get a double drum beat at the end. That must be what I had done without realising it. Not perfect but a lot better than a sudden ending to the outro.
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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2019, 10:32:49 pm »
Wow thanks Matt you’ve put a lot of time into this! I’ve been using simpler sequences and getting to know my Trio+ but you’ve encouraged me to try Lay Lady Lay again. I’ll let you know how I get on.
Hi Matt. Got Lay Lady Lay cracked thanks to your help. Still not an easy one to do but worth it in the end. Just have to make sure I don’t accidentally wipe it out now!
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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2019, 11:52:43 am »
@ Rossco01  Thanks for the tip.  I need to spend more time experimenting with how the Trio+ ends song parts. Those end flourishes can help to keep one's place in the song.

@ Sairfingers. Well done with Lay Lady Lay:) 

Some songs are more difficult than others. I'm about to start on "Radar Love" by Golden Earring (another friend request). I'm still not sure how to setup part 1.  Worst case scenario I'll just go straight into the verse or use a guitar pro file. I do, however,  think the drum and bass sounds are better on the Trio+

Here is another vid that shows some more ways to use the Trio+
1. Adjustable metronome
2. Backing Track (covered already)
3. Sustained (drone) note. Good for practicing modes.
4. Silent practicing.  (it shows off the different Guitar FX settings quite well)





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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2019, 04:40:45 pm »
There are backing tracks on YouTube with the guitar parts removed:



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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2019, 09:01:41 pm »
Apart from the cost, I would recommend the Trio+ to any beginner. I’m having so much fun creating backing tracks for lots of the songs in my Justin songbooks and then playing along to them. I’ve even made backing tracks for my scales (sounds daft but it works). Without realising it, I’m practising more and the variation really helps keep up the enjoyment factor.

I was neglecting my metronome practise as I find it boring, but the Trio+ keeps you in time which is something I need as I have a tendency to speed up as a song progresses. Having said that, I’m using a metronome with it to establish initial bpm as although the Trio+ has flashing lights and you can adjust the tempo, it doesn’t tell you what the tempo is.

I haven’t even got to the looper function yet and that’s the thing I started out wanting!
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2019, 11:13:08 pm »
Glad to hear it's going so well.

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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2019, 02:08:19 pm »
Hi Sairfingers,

Coming up to Christmas and I was thinking of getting one of these for my son-
Then realised it was probably as much or more for myself  ;D
But before taking the plunge, I'm curious as to whether your enthusiasm for the Trio +  has been maintained or is it now collecting dust?
I reckon we're not too far apart on our guitar journey, although it sounds as if you're more disciplined
Thanks in advance

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2019, 04:17:37 pm »
Hi Brian. Certainly not very disciplined. I constantly fall into the trap of playing what I can already do reasonably well and enjoy playing!

No, the Trio is not collecting dust. I use it regularly. I would use it even more if my accoustic had electrics as that’s what I play most. As it is I create backing tracks on my electric and can then use that as an accompaniment with either the acoustic or electric.

It is a clever bit of kit that like most things has a bit of a learning curve to get the best from it. I only play guitar for my own enjoyment so it adds another dimension to the learning process.
It also has a looper function so if you don’t already have a looper pedal it fills that gap too.

The optional footswitch is essential in my opinion otherwise you have to start stop it by hand on a surface beside you and that is difficult unless you have 3 hands!

My only limitation (apart from lack of skill) is that my amp does not have an fx loop so I have to put the amp on a clean setting otherwise the base/drums have reverb/delay whatever. The Trio has some built in effects that can be used so I don’t find it a problem.

The price varies on the internet so do some research. When I bought mine Amazon was best.

You’ll have read all the previous posts on the thread but if you have any other questions please free to contact me.

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2019, 05:21:37 pm »
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I would use it even more if my accoustic had electrics as that’s what I play most.

Sairfingers if your thinking of getting a pick up for your D 28 I've heard that the
K&K pure mini works really well with Martin acoustics.
I've not tryed them. My acoustics are Gibsons and came with a pick up already installed.

But some of the Martin guys I've jammed with seem to be very pleased with them.


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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2019, 05:37:07 pm »
Found this video that you might find interesting.
It compares three pick ups all in the same guitar for a more accurate sound evaluation.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5AoId-9fW0

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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2019, 02:34:14 pm »
Hi stitch. Thanks for that.
It's often crossed my mind that I could 'electrify' my acoustic and your attached video is interesting. By the time I bought the K&K and a preamp and paid to have it fitted the cost could mount up. What I might consider however is to buy a lower end electro acoustic for use with the Trio+ and that I would be happy to take out and about to friends' houses, on holiday etc. and not worry about damaging my Martin when the beer starts to flow.
Don't get me wrong, in my opinion a guitar should be used and played, not hung on the wall and looked at, but......
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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2019, 04:39:30 pm »
I would be happy to take out and about to friends' houses, on holiday etc. and not worry about damaging my Martin when the beer starts to flow.
Don't get me wrong, in my opinion a guitar should be used and played, not hung on the wall and looked at, but......

I have the same opinion as you do. That's why I have 5 acoustics  :)
Getting another guitar with a pickup could be a solution.  There are a lot of nice guitars
out there for not a lot of money these days.



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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2020, 09:54:27 pm »
Not sure whether this should go in a new thread, but I'll stick it here for the time being.

Is there a way to 'export' the songs saved to the SD card to the audacity program on my PC?

If yes, can the various components be edited/remixed (drum/bass/loops/overdubs)
If no, what is the easiest way of getting it into audacity?

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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2020, 12:06:27 am »
Record it as a single track in Audacity, or any other DAW, as if you were recording a guitar track. You'll need an audio interface or USB connection from your amp going into your computer. From there record a second track of you playing your guitar over the Trio track. I think Audacity allows multitrack recording. If not, play your trio and guitar lead all at once as a single track.

Here's one of my very first trio tracks with a simple Em-Am-Bm turnaround. It consists of a trio track (with bass and drums), an acoustic track playing triads, and one of my first solos (minor pentatonic) ever. I was going for a lonesome, wounded animal sound with my solo tone. :)
minor-blues-turnaround

Note that I posted a link to one of my early acoustic tracks previously in this thread. The trio has been a great little pedal for me. 

EDIT: I hadn't really mastered bending yet, but I didn't give up trying. :)

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« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2020, 12:26:26 pm »
Thanks Clint,

I'm probably a little more 'au fait' with IT than Gordon, but work behind the curve and strictly on a need to know basis ;)
You can tell by all my phone videos that I've largely eschewed the tech/sound side of recording to date.

I was trying to figure out this morning how one would record a guitar track and looking on Amazon for an 'audio-interface'. Before buying a cable, I decided to try connecting the Trio directly to the pc via its usb port- No joy.
However, if I use a cable from the headphone output to the microphone input on my pc- Bingo!  :)

Audacity indeed allows multi-track recording and by just dialling down the bass/drum/looper controls individually, I can record all the parts separately and then mix if I like.

I'm really glad I am happy with where I am with my guitar playing/enjoyment at the moment- If that's one of your first ever solos: Hats off, Sir! Very impressive. I thought your bending was fine.
Indeed, I had already listened to your Minor Thing whilst scanning the thread for useful info.

I'd better stop 'foruming' and start jammin'  8)

(ps I forgot to mention on my other thread that the 'finger-picking' sample is now in AVOYP  :P)


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« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2020, 12:32:23 pm »
@ Matt125

Thanks Matt.
Yes, I had come across that link and indeed had a quick internal debate as to whether I should download the program and start exploring.
It sounded a bit technical for me and as I'm just looking for a simple solution of how to record my Trio output, I think the workaround I described to Clint should be plenty for me to get started with.

I did note a number of your other posts in this thread and look forward to revisiting them in a bit more detail later.
Thanks and vibes for your help  :)

 

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