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Re: Untitled original instrumental
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2019, 07:11:12 am »
Hi guys,
As I'm not a native speaker probably clipping is not the right word :o To my ear the toms and high-hat is very loud and has some distortion effect. I asumed that this may come from red-zone level. If not so, then it may come from the drums programming software (btw which one you use Dave?) internal levelling, effects chain etc.
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Re: Untitled original instrumental
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2019, 09:39:29 am »
I've been absent myself, so I'm just getting my fill of tunes on here to catch up with the creativity that's been going on in 2019.
A very enjoyable listen, lots of different textures to keep me interested, great keyboard sound, sort of Doorsy and then it evolves into something else wonderful. Good work Dave!
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Re: Untitled original instrumental
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2019, 09:46:59 pm »
Hi guys,
As I'm not a native speaker probably clipping is not the right word :o To my ear the toms and high-hat is very loud and has some distortion effect. I asumed that this may come from red-zone level. If not so, then it may come from the drums programming software (btw which one you use Dave?) internal levelling, effects chain etc.
Cheers,
Roman


Hi Roman.  Sorry I took so long getting back.  You are right, the toms are very loud.  The high hat doesn't hit me as loud but, as I've said before, the high frequencies are in my hearing deficit so I probably tend to turn them up a bit.  Something to watch for in the future.  I think on the drums there are a couple things going on:  one, I definitely have the level too high, not clipping but too high.  Although I will say on some devices I've listened on, the first 1:28 sounds ok.   The second half seems to go south; second, the drums are built in and were played through the keyboard.   They honestly don't sound that good on their own and have a somewhat unnatural reverb effect that can't be adjusted; third, I was running a little compression on the master and that probably added rather than taking away from the problem.  I did a remix and backed off the drums level and, while it doesn't sound so in-your-face, it also doesn't drive the way I wanted it to.   I usually use MT PowerDrums loops, and probably should have found one that suited this particular song.


As far as effects chain, etc.:  I use MT PowerDrums usually.  On drum track usually a little EQ and compression, using the one that comes with Reaper or Focusrite Red, both for EQ and compression. 
The clean guitar is usually run through my Digitech RP155 effects pedal.  Sometimes I'll bypass the pedal and record dry and then treat the track with reverb, etc.  A lot of times I'll print the guitar wet, using the effects in the pedal.  Other times I'll us CLA vocal for the reverb effect.
On the distorted guitar, same thing, through the effects pedal with a preset for the distortion, and then on the track with distortion I'll use Softube's S73 Drawmer to add some air.  That's all I use on a distorted track.
On vocals I'll use a little compression, reverb, maybe some delay and sometimes the Drawmer.
All of the above are done directly on the individual tracks; I don't group.

On the master I'll usually add a little compression and maybe some EQ, using the ones that came with Reaper.

I gain stage each track to -18db or thereabouts, trying not to exceed -12db.
I have LUFs set to 14, although I understand SoundCloud doesn't have a maximum, whereas Utube and others have a peak and will cut the LUFs if it exceeds their policy.

Don't know if that really answers your question, but my knowledge of recording/mixing is pretty minimal.  If you want more specifics, let me know.

And let me finish by saying thank you, Roman, for always listening with a critical ear.  I've learned more than you will ever know from your critiques (not just of my posts, but others too) and listening to your top-shelf productions.  I too listen with a critical ear.  You are an asset to the community and I, for one, appreciate it.
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Re: Untitled original instrumental
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2019, 07:59:21 am »
Thanks for the latest detailed reply to Roman, Dave.

Seems like we are doing a lot of the same things with the same gear :)

Only bit I didn't get was:

"I have LUFs set to 14, although I understand SoundCloud doesn't have a maximum, whereas Utube and others have a peak and will cut the LUFs if it exceeds their policy."

At risk of being lazy ... can you clarify this please.

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Re: Untitled original instrumental
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2019, 04:30:08 pm »
Thanks for the latest detailed reply to Roman, Dave.

Seems like we are doing a lot of the same things with the same gear :)

Only bit I didn't get was:

"I have LUFs set to 14, although I understand SoundCloud doesn't have a maximum, whereas Utube and others have a peak and will cut the LUFs if it exceeds their policy."

At risk of being lazy ... can you clarify this please.


Not a problem.  LUFS is Loudness Factor relative to Full Scale.  You can set it in the master.   Streaming services have limits on LUFS, except for SoundCloud.  The limits seem to range between -12 and -16 db.  I think Reaper is set at -14 when you get it.  The streaming services will knock it down if it's too high but won't up it if it's too low.  Anyhow, here's the link to everything I know about LUFS.  Hope this helps, and I hope others are benefitting from this discussion also. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=lufs+reaper&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=842ae4ac1750491c914b68bf10d53958&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=lufs+reaper&sc=1-11&qs=n&sk=&cvid=842ae4ac1750491c914b68bf10d53958&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dlufs%2breaper%26form%3dEDGSPH%26mkt%3den-us%26httpsmsn%3d1%26refig%3d842ae4ac1750491c914b68bf10d53958%26sp%3d-1%26ghc%3d1%26pq%3dlufs%2breaper%26sc%3d1-11%26qs%3dn%26sk%3d%26cvid%3d842ae4ac1750491c914b68bf10d53958&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=39094A4C82C6735468AA39094A4C82C6735468AA&FORM=WRVORC



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Re: Untitled original instrumental
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2019, 04:59:24 pm »

Not a problem.  LUFS is Loudness Factor relative to Full Scale.  You can set it in the master.   Streaming services have limits on LUFS, except for SoundCloud.  The limits seem to range between -12 and -16 db.  I think Reaper is set at -14 when you get it.  The streaming services will knock it down if it's too high but won't up it if it's too low.  Anyhow, here's the link to everything I know about LUFS.  Hope this helps, and I hope others are benefitting from this discussion also. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=lufs+reaper&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=842ae4ac1750491c914b68bf10d53958&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=lufs+reaper&sc=1-11&qs=n&sk=&cvid=842ae4ac1750491c914b68bf10d53958&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dlufs%2breaper%26form%3dEDGSPH%26mkt%3den-us%26httpsmsn%3d1%26refig%3d842ae4ac1750491c914b68bf10d53958%26sp%3d-1%26ghc%3d1%26pq%3dlufs%2breaper%26sc%3d1-11%26qs%3dn%26sk%3d%26cvid%3d842ae4ac1750491c914b68bf10d53958&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=39094A4C82C6735468AA39094A4C82C6735468AA&FORM=WRVORC

Thanks very much, Dave.  Helpful indeed.

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Re: Untitled original instrumental
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2019, 05:20:24 pm »
I've been absent myself, so I'm just getting my fill of tunes on here to catch up with the creativity that's been going on in 2019.
A very enjoyable listen, lots of different textures to keep me interested, great keyboard sound, sort of Doorsy and then it evolves into something else wonderful. Good work Dave!

B1brd, I meant to get back to you yesterday after my reply to Roman.  Sorry. 
I appreciate you taking a listen.  I wish I could do some "Doorsy" stuff.  Maybe after I've had the keys a while  ;D.  Thanks a lot for the feedback.


 

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