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Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« on: March 11, 2018, 06:10:57 am »
Hi

I have figured out that my vocal range fits better with songs played in keys of E or F instead of G. Like most men I am a baritone... range E3 to A4. Problem is that the keys E and F contains a lot of the dreaded B chord.

I am still working through the beginners course ( just finished B7, C7 and Fmaj7) but can also play a few Barre chords with the E shape.

Do you recommend me putting in the time and effort to learn a B Barre chord on the 3rd fret with A shape on the 5th fret or just settle with the B barre on 7th fret with E shape.

The B open chord with root on the 5th string 2nd fret plus 4th fret 3rd string plus 4th fret 4th string looks do-able, but why put in the time on this open chord if I will eventually have to learn the B barre with A shape on 3rd fret?

Maybe I should simply stick with the G key and start some vocal training to extend my range on the high side.  Have to consider potential mocking from my wife and kids  though  ::)

Would love to listen to your advice. As my professor used to say: "Please give me the simplicity on the other side of the complexity.";)



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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 07:16:31 am »
If you find youself often in keys containing a B, I’d make sure to learn all the B shapes.
This way you have possibilities meaning you can choose which version fits the song best.
Also, if you record a song you can play one B chord as rhythm and lay another version on top of that.
- don’t hold yourself back by learning just one. Give yourself opportunities by learning multiple.
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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2018, 09:34:54 am »
Hi, Mocking is harsh. In the belief your professor is wise.... Your proposal is logical now but long term not be the simple solution & will make chord changes from B on 7th fret back to open chords more difficult for fast clean changes. Only a thought and your proposal is a good interim to keep playing and singing.


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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 09:40:12 am »
You do right to consider the pitch of your voice.
Two things to consider: either a capo or a baritone guitar.
Just something different to consider.
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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 02:05:51 pm »
I rarely use the barre chord. Because I usually don't like it in context. Do learn it though, because there will be times it does fit or the music specifically calls for it.

Here's what I generally do. I don't expect you to get any of this when you're still working on the BC, but you can come back to it when you're up for it.
In the key of E or a transposition of it (using a capo), I play a combination of these:
I - E5: 022400
I - E5: 079900
I 1st inversion - E/G#: 4x2400
ii - F#m11: 2x4200 (thumb-over)
iii - G#mb6: 4x6400 (thumb-over)
IV - Asus2: x02200
IV - Aadd9: 5x7600
IV - Aadd9: x07600
V - Bsus4: x24400
V - Badd11: 7x9800
[edit bVI] bvi - Cmaj7: x35500
vi - C#m7: x46600
vi - C#m7: x42400
[edit bVII] bvii- Dsus2add13: x57700

I do similar things in the keys of A and D.

I play them this way because it makes for awesome rhythm guitar sounds, both acoustic and electric. Very open, ringing sounds.
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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2018, 07:18:12 pm »
Thks for all the suggestions Guys

I decided to tackle Bsus4 first as this is the easiest (imho) to do.  Also will start working on the normal B chord. It's going to be a long road...

A lot of what I am practicing / working on now will only show reward longer term. Reality of life.

To be fair to my family Yellowpinky... mocking will be friendly teasing rather than anything nasty.

Cue Zephyr: my  interpretation of your message:  The I, ii, ii, IV, V,vi refers to chord progressions with your examples referring to the key of E. For the 4th chord in the progression, which for E maj is A, you suggested 3 alternative A's... with the code next to each chord being the tab. Am I following correctly?

I understand that being to play different voicings of standrad chords adds a lot to one's repertoire.

Interesting that you B chord alternatives include Bsus4 (the easy one :)), underlines my decision to start with Bsus 4.

I find it interesting that all your alternative chords (voicings ) only use 3 fingers, which is encouraging to someone like me still working through BC .

Ok, enough chatter, back to the guitar.

Thks once again for all your inputs. Much appreciated

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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2018, 07:40:17 pm »
Yeah, it basically short-hand tab notation. It's EADGBe from left to right.
So your open C chord looks like this: x32010 and your open G looks like: 320033 or 320003 depending on how you voice it.

Like you said, the Roman numerals indicate the chord degree in the key, or relative to the key of E. I say that because bVI and bVII are not in the key, but are often used in that key nonetheless. Capitalized being major and non-capitalized being minor.

Yup, all the voicings use three fingers or fewer. I like them because you can keep your B and E strings ringing which yields a very smooth transition between chords. The chords can sound a little ambiguous but I personally love that about them.
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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2018, 03:53:25 pm »
Thks Cue Zephyr.




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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2018, 01:45:49 pm »
I rarely use the barre chord. Because I usually don't like it in context. Do learn it though, because there will be times it does fit or the music specifically calls for it.

Here's what I generally do. I don't expect you to get any of this when you're still working on the BC, but you can come back to it when you're up for it.
In the key of E or a transposition of it (using a capo), I play a combination of these:
I - E5: 022400
I - E5: 079900
I 1st inversion - E/G#: 4x2400
ii - F#m11: 2x4200 (thumb-over)
iii - G#mb6: 4x6400 (thumb-over)
IV - Asus2: x02200
IV - Aadd9: 5x7600
IV - Aadd9: x07600
V - Bsus4: x24400
V - Badd11: 7x9800
[edit bVI] bvi - Cmaj7: x35500
vi - C#m7: x46600
vi - C#m7: x42400
[edit bVII] bvii- Dsus2add13: x57700

I do similar things in the keys of A and D.

I play them this way because it makes for awesome rhythm guitar sounds, both acoustic and electric. Very open, ringing sounds.

Hey Cue

This is a very useful list and has certainly given me a few extra ideas. Gonna monkey around with some of these this evening. Thanks for sharing.

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To the OP, I'm post IM and working through Blues Rhythm but tend to stick with the E and A shape barres for B. However, I know I should learn some alternate fingerings which I know I'll cover learning mini bar(re)s, and more triads etc. Do what works for now while working through the BC and expand as you progress further. 8)
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Re: Which version of B chord do you guys play?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2018, 12:03:08 am »
Some options, not simple, until you nail a B voicing;
• Use a capo to play in E or F with chords you know how to play
• tune your guitar down an entire tone like Paul McCartney did for Yesterday. Then you can play in F using the standard open chords in the key of G. Again you may need help with this

If you want to "properly" play in the keys of E or F without my suggestions you're going to need all major and minor barre chord shapes that Justin teaches in his IM, really.

In E, 4/6 of the chords require barres unless you use slightly contrived open voicings e.g. C#m/E: ××2120
In F, 3/6.

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