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Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« on: March 10, 2018, 04:44:15 am »
Sharing some of my experience as a first-time ear trainer. Just for the fun of it and hopefully it provides a bit of motivation to others starting off.

Thanks to Justin for making the app available for free - it is not user friendly but I am sure it will be upgraded eventually  :)

I have been doing the interval training diligently every morning first thing for last 2 weeks - say for 10 mins at a time.

I also do an hour a day guitar practice session in the evenings. [My wife is about to kick me out of the TV room for playing the same chord changes over and over. I am considering buying her earphones that can plug into the TV for her next birthday..hehehehe]

Back to ear training...
I manually set the ear training app to select major 2nd, perfect 4th and 5th.(select training mode and then click the check boxes next to the desired intervals). The process is a bit repetitive / time consuming...but hey, it is free, so no complaints.  Wish I could save my settings though  :)

I always thought I had a decent ear but doing the interval training gave me a solid reality check.

I first tried to listen and distinguish the intervals "from scratch" - I scored around 30%, which is the same as randomly guessing the 3 intervals. A frustrating start and a major bump to the ego..lol

I then downloaded a piano keyboard and played the scale for a bit before starting the interval exercise. This helped.

I started off by trying to "sing" in my mind the full scale and then pick the right interval once the app plays the 2 notes.  That approach/technique did not work well - scores in the 50%

I am now using the first 2 notes of the following three songs: silent night ( for major 2nd), amazing grace ( perfect 4th) and twinkle twinkle ( perfect 5th) to distinguish between the intervals. This works better, my scores are up in the mid 60's now.

I struggle more with intervals starting with high (or very low) notes. The major 2nd is easier than the other two.

I sometimes get a short "run" where I recognise each interval immediately. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Often I have to play the 2 notes of the interval 3 to 4 times before I can make up my mind.

It really humbles (ok..and frustrates :o) me when I mistake a major 2nd for a perfect 5th.

My target is to score more than 90% without having to replay intervals and without having to sing the songs.... I will update my progress here.

Will be fun if you share your experience as well.

Happy ear training!
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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2018, 05:38:34 am »
Great post, Barend, thanks for sharing your experience.

I look forward to celebrating with you on the day when you achieve your objective. For that day will come...as you continue deliberate practice to learn. Only the when is uncertain. 

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2018, 01:42:16 pm »
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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2018, 10:02:45 pm »
Thanks sharing bared I have a long commute. I've not looked at the app. Is this something I could try in the car do you think?

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 04:02:57 pm »
I always thought I had a decent ear but doing the interval training gave me a solid reality check.

Conversely I think I have a crap ear! Especially for all the piano theory I’ve taken!! I'm glad you posted this, I just went and bought the App for $2.79 Cdn (good price) as I can certainly use some ear training.

Thanks sharing bared I have a long commute. I've not looked at the app. Is this something I could try in the car do you think?

Gareth, you listen to the notes and then pick what the interval is, so unless you're the passenger I wouldn't recommend it as a car App! I plan to use it in spare 5 & 10 minute pieces of time. Good way for both you and Wren to learn intervals perhaps?? :)

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2018, 08:24:31 pm »
Oh okay maybe not then. I was wondering if it was a piece of audio I could listen to and guess at. I've been thinking of putting something like that together to listen to on my commute.

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2018, 04:45:46 am »
Conversely I think I have a crap ear! Especially for all the piano theory I’ve taken!! I'm glad you posted this, I just went and bought the App for $2.79 Cdn (good price) as I can certainly use some ear training.

Gareth, you listen to the notes and then pick what the interval is, so unless you're the passenger I wouldn't recommend it as a car App! I plan to use it in spare 5 & 10 minute pieces of time. Good way for both you and Wren to learn intervals perhaps?? :)
The pleasure is mine, Mari Keep us up to date with your progress.




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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2018, 04:49:04 am »
Oh okay maybe not then. I was wondering if it was a piece of audio I could listen to and guess at. I've been thinking of putting something like that together to listen to on my commute.

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It requires my full attention / concentration to get a decent score. Perhapd you can join a lift club ...

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 06:40:46 am »
Hearing correctly vs remembering the sounds correctly :

I discovered that I have very good hearing but my memory of the sound is very very poor.   If I first listen to the sound of a perfect 4th interval (for example) and then have to distinguish between that and a perfect 5th, I score very high marks.  On the other hand, If I start fresh in the morning using the app to distinguish between the 4th and 5th interval's , I score quite low.

After scoring quite low this morning, I am shifting my focus to try and remember the interval sounds better.

Having a better understanding of the challenge improves the motivation. ;D


 

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2018, 12:44:15 am »
Just working on this for a couple days now and I like your 90% goal, Barend, I'm going to use that too. Level 1 in the paid app is major 2nds, perfect 4ths, and perfect 5th. I remembered from my piano theory days that O Canada starts on a perfect 4th so that's a good one for that for me. The 5th I'm trying just to think of as a nice harmonizing note since r-3-5 is the chord, and I'm thinking do-re for the 2nd. I'm not at 90% yet but I'm doing better than I thought I would since I do think I have a crap ear. I think it'll be a great app, very helpful. Plus I put it right next to my Justin Guitar note trainer app to remind myself to get back to learning the fretboard!!
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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2018, 05:57:55 am »
Hi Mari (y)

I hit paydirt...  :)

This morning I scored 86%!. I started off slow but towards the end I was getting everything correct. I am only testing myself on the 4th and 5th intervals.  I use twinkle twinkle little star for the 5th and amazing grace for the 4th.  A real game changer for me ito approach is to listen to the 2 notes and then sing to myself the first 3 notes of the song. Only if the 3 notes together sounds correct do I make a final decision.  Only focusing on the first 2 notes of the song does not work that well..

Nice to see some progress.
 
I am also learning the notes on the fretboard - only the top 2 strings at this stage. I try to think of random notes ( G, E , D , C ,etc) and then identify them on the 1st and then 2nd string.  I do it for a few minutes towards end of every practice session.

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2018, 07:33:17 am »
Hey Barend, progress is good!!!
Using a song you know to get intervals is the best idea, I’ve always used it but sometimes it takes a while to find a suitable song, 7ths were always my nemesis but Justin’s latest video on interval training has come up with a cracker that I know :) - Take on me by Aha!!!
https://youtu.be/_rUQtJDJBAE

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2018, 04:58:53 pm »
Hi Darrell

Thks for sharing. I know Take on me well... so the 7th should be easy when I get there.


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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2018, 07:01:58 am »
Progress update on 4th and 5th's (in the interest of science  ;)):

I scored 100% this am ;D - never doubted or guessed anything - very happy Justinguitar student... lol

The key for me is to listen to the interval and then sing the first 3 notes of either amazing grace or twinkle twinkle to myself. On the third note, I can distinguish the interval being played.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2018, 07:30:29 am »
Once you’ve figured out what suits you to get it right it becomes much easier, you’ve just proved that; great stuff and excellent progress 👍👍👍

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2018, 06:38:11 pm »
Once you’ve figured out what suits you to get it right it becomes much easier, you’ve just proved that; great stuff and excellent progress


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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2018, 07:07:12 am »
I am close to 2 months into the ear training, doing about 30 mins first thing every morning.

I first focused on doing the 4th and 5th intervals together until I scored 100%. That was followed by doing the 2nd and 3rd together till 100% score.

On moving on to doing all 4 intervals together (2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th) I performed surprisingly poorly - scoring around 50%. 

After a few weeks, I improved my score to a steady 70%. I only have time to go up to a score of 20 points as I repeat the same interval a number of times before deciding what it is.
 
This morning I scored 81% for 20 correct, a step up from my usual 70, which is exciting.

I find that I make more mistakes early on in each session and get really good toward the end.

Plan is to continue with this until I get 100% for all 4. I also want to reduce the number of times that I have to listen to each interval before moving on.

I have to concentrate fully on the notes being played. If I get lazy my performance drops off quickly.

I am singing the songs for each interval and also singing do, re, me, fa, so... to help me pick the intervals.  I don't think there is a quick fix ito method other than building your ability to recognise and remember the intervals.

I am really happy with the progress, it gives me quite a bit of a kick  ;D



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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2018, 10:12:17 pm »
Sounds great Barend. I lost my focus over the past few weeks so haven't done much of anything. Reading about your progress is inspiring me to get back into this App.
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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2018, 10:29:21 pm »
Sounds great Barend. I lost my focus over the past few weeks so haven't done much of anything. Reading about your progress is inspiring me to get back into this App.
Hi Mari
How are you progressing?

I am now at the point where I get in the 90's, still needs a lot of concentration but going faster. Nice to be able to distinguish the notes more clearly. The 3rd and 4th still trips me up... especially when the notes are high.

Happy practising your side!


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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2018, 08:14:51 pm »
Hi Mari
How are you progressing?

OMG I'm awful! Lol at least there's something to practice when my guitar isn't handy :)

Mari
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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2018, 02:26:34 pm »
Once you’ve figured out what suits you to get it right it becomes much easier

That is true! I figured I can't really be this bad (well hoped) so I went looking for other songs and then realized that the opening notes of O Canada are a minor 3rd not a perfect 4th! I'm using correct intervals as my reference notes now and am doing so much better! 😃
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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2018, 02:35:30 pm »
I'm using correct intervals as my reference notes now and am doing so much better! 😃
That is the crux of it, regardless of what you use as the reference it must have the correct interval!
Tunes are great if you can find ones you like as reference but if I can't find anything I use my wife's Electric piano to play the notes and memorise it.

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Re: Sharing my experience as an ear training student
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2018, 06:42:21 pm »
 Another update...

I moved on to the 5th, 6th and 7th intervals. Only focusing on these 3 for now before tackling all 8 together.

I find it takes me a few weeks of repeating the same intervals every morning before I really start remembering/ recognising it.

I have been looking for shortcuts / secret recipes to speed up the process. After a while I realised that the major ingredient in the secret sauce is simply repetition.

Happy ear training.
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