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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2017, 09:36:30 pm »
Do places like Allparts not ship to France?

You basically want this...

https://www.allparts.com/EP-0085-000-CTS-250K-Split-Shaft-Audio-Pot_p_1269.html

https://www.allparts.com/EP-0076-000-Original-CRL-5-Way-Switch-for-Stratocaster_p_1255.html

You can also go this route... I gotta give it to this guy, he is certainly making lemonade out of lemons. If you want to limit your spending try that first... if you screw up or it doesn't work, you can still just buy new pickups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqzoAbG7Nug


The only other way to go, would be a new capacitor to knock down some of that top edge off the ceramic pickups. Then run it into a nice clean drive pedal.

Other than that new pickups also will most likely have a very different resonant peaks so besides more drive you will have a new EQ curve as well.A new generalized voice + drive.

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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2017, 06:47:19 am »
Ah never say never but opportunities in rural France somewhat rare, pour un Anglais ancien ! Been looking around some guitare websites but most folks are looking for experienced peeps for bands, hey but who knows..................one day!

Hey Toby,

The only pieces I recall listening to you that you've posted sound pretty band-worthy to me ... certainly way way above my pay grade (as you fond of saying  :) )

So put it out there and who knows ... if you want it ...

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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2017, 07:27:21 pm »
Hey Toby,

The only pieces I recall listening to you that you've posted sound pretty band-worthy to me ... certainly way way above my pay grade (as you fond of saying  :) )

So put it out there and who knows ... if you want it ...

Cheers
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First off - David thanks for that. I still look at myself as an advanced beginner not much more. Guess its all about confidence, as with the singing we talked about. Biggest problem is living in a fairly rural area and I suspect most musicians play the accordion............oops that won't help me stay post Brexit  ;)

@TB - allparts have a UK website and an online outlet in France, so I'll check them out. Strange not all of your post appeared on the community app ? But hey ho.

Now moving on, after looking at dual coil "single" pups, I now realize I've been a bit narrow minded in my thinking. The Affinity is SSS and I was stuck in the mindset of keeping that config. But having now thought about changing scratch plates, there's nothing to stop going for a complete make over, say HSH. So as I was due to change string soon, I whipped the plate off today to check out the routing, as I read that most early Affinity models were set up for humbuckers. See pics



So that seems to be true and gives me a bit more to think about, although HSH sounds a good way to go. Especially if I can select single coils off an HB, which I guess the neck HB would be best.

Measurement wise,
neck "slot" is 90mm W x 45mm L x 22mm D
mid/bridge "slot" is 90mm W x 95 mm L x 22 mm D

So an HSH set up should be possible and will certainly make it a bit different to the stock MIC set up. But I can also now look at pups and ensure they will fit which ever way I go.

Views comments more than welcome. Off to Rennes tomorrow to get my T-Bucket and HB32 back but I'll discuss modernization with the guys and get and idea on price for labour. Will let you know the outcome.

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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2017, 07:31:19 pm »
Now after all that, I checked the specs on the Smoke Stack IIs and the height/depth is 17mm. So would they fit after all given the body cavity is 22mm ?

Think I need to finish string changes and lie down ............................ ???
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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2017, 07:55:31 pm »

Mine's got HB routes too, as it goes..

Now after all that, I checked the specs on the Smoke Stack IIs and the height/depth is 17mm. So would they fit after all given the body cavity is 22mm ?

Think I need to finish string changes and lie down ............................ ???



Pickups shouldn't be a problem, it was the push pull pots I was on about. If you're going for an Oak Grigsby/Fender style selector switch like below, you might want to check the dimensions of that too.

And for the love of gods, do a better job of routing the pickup leads than the factory did.  ;D

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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2017, 06:59:25 am »
How about a Humbucker in the bridge and a p90 in the neck... or 2 P90s.

Pickguards are not cheap if you have someone make them.

If you look at the SG above in my photo. I bought that pickguard material cheap. My friend cut it all out by hand and shaped it by hand. We just drew it up to cover all routing and damage to the front of that body. It looked like rodents had been gnawing on it. Not much wood left to it. In fact wood was actually added so we had something to screw the pickup into.
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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2017, 06:58:44 pm »
Sorry guys been a bit tied up the last couple of days.

@TB like the idea of adding P90s but seems there at lot of ways to go config wise.

Picked the Washburn HB32 and Fender T-Bucket today and talked to the guy who was in the shop. After explaining what I wanted to do, maybe going down the HSH route or P90 S H route, all in French, sod starts chatting away in English - first time after my 4th visit! So yes they could do the work but the guy who wields the wrenches wasn't in today, so he couldn't give me a price on labour, either that or got it wrong as I was speaking French while he answered in English. Love it ! So plan is to email them once I spec out what I want and ask them how much to fit and tweak. No rush.

Right more questions though and apologies if they are a bit stupid........

Been reading up on soldering kits and guitar internals in case a take the DIY route but would destroy some ancient hifi gear gathering dust in the loft first !

Would this fit the bill or be to hot ? I can get a hand free mag glass for around £6 or there are similar sets that include them.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01N2XVO6C?psc=1

Back to internals.

I've been trying find somewhere that explains PUP dimensions to no avail, so thought I'd better get back to you guys. If an ad say 22mm or 24mm is that from the poles to the bottom - mounting plate for HB ??

I had another look at the Affinity body today and although it looks routed for HBs the cavity is actually 20mm. But when you add 2mm for the thickness of the scratchplate and the 4mm my current singles sit above the plate, the 22mm "high/deep" original pups are only 16mm into the cavity. It seems like looking at an iceberg but I'm trying to figure the max pup size I could go without gouging out heaps of wood. Any views on this.

Same issue with the selector switch and pots. Pot cavity is again only 20mm so no way can I get push/pulls or push/push to fit even mini pots. So I thought about a 5 way Super switch but the selector cavity is only 34mm deep, so looks like I'm stuck with a normal 5 way switch unless anyone knows of shallower switches out there somewhere ?

I also looked at the pots and found that the tones were both A500k. Is this right for singles ? On what I've read recently most single have 250k recommended, so I guess this could explain some of that brittle sound, if I understand things correctly. Can someone elaborate please ?

Also I thought I'd check the cap and found it was a A473K which equates to a 0.047, so at least that seems to be right. If I go down an HSH route and want separate tone controls for the pots (ie 1 pot for H and 1 pot for S) would each pot need its own cap ? ie .022 for the 2 Hs and  .047 for the S ? Or is there another way around this ?

Finally, given the restrictions I have body wise and assuming I find the combination of pups to give me an HSH config (or poss P90s) is there a way to configure the wiring so both bridge and neck pups are active but keeping the "normal"

1 Bridge
2 Bridge/Mid
3 Mid
4 Mid/Neck
5 Neck

Or would I need an additional switch to link 1 and 5 ?
Would a single tone for both HB work or should I leave the mid "toneless" and use the tone pots for the HBs ?

Really need to play now but feel like I need to lay down after typing this up  ???

Anyways I'll appreciate and comments.

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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2017, 01:01:53 am »
That iron is going to be borderline. Especially heatig up the backs of pots to make ground pads.

The solder will melt at 370d and you only have 450 max. So not much extra to heat the components.


ETA: ... forget that... I was reading the temp wrong.. that in C not F...


Here watch all three of this series... then try to find the stuff that fits your budget as closely as the higher priced stuff he has.
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Also if you ever wanted to sell it you could.







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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2017, 03:05:45 am »
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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2017, 07:25:45 pm »
@TB

Thanks for pointing me to those soldering tutorials, he makes it look so easy, so I'll review some Guitar specific ones on YT.

Re the wiring diagram. Really love this as a way to engage bridge and neck with a dummy tone switch and a master tone switch. Seems like a good way to go.

I'm not sure which way I'm going to go but an HSH set up seems favorite at the moment.

Still need to work out cavity/routing depth against pup depth so I can assess what pups could fit this old dog but I've also read that narrowing the distance between poles and string will make things hotter and that will also give me more room. BUT I don't want to compromise adjust-ability just to make something fit.

So hopefully someone will respond to the cavity/pup size dilemma and give me an idea of the max pup depth that would work and an alternative 5 way selector switch.

In the meantime, a week to our 40th wedding anniversary and a week to get Stairway To Heaven to a recognizable stumbling effort................................so Project Squier on hold for now.

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Re: PUP and Gauge update for old Affinity ?
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2017, 12:45:12 pm »
JdeG

Thanks for those links, can't think why I couldn't find something similar ! Very helpful, as I can now spec out how much room I have for fitting HBs. With a 5mm mounting "ring", a 3 or 4 mm scratch plate (probably pearl grey)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electric-Guitar-Pickguard-HSH-Back-Plate-Scratch-Plate-for-Fender-Strat-Guitar/172565457046?_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3Dd52c829cc5614087b22f0d9f4b91928b%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D172565457046

and a 20mm cavity, that gives me 28mm to play with - possibly more if the poles need to be closer to the strings (although both my Washburns HB poles are about 2mm proud of the rings). So plenty of room by the looks of things.

Push/Push or Pull Pots have been ruled out now but I very much favor TBs diagram above, especially as positions 2 and 4 would bring all 3 PUPS into play.

So looks like I have a good idea which way to go, so will more than likely update my roadcase when the project gets started.

Thanks to everyone for their input but feel free to add anything else you think may help.

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