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Goodbye google+
« on: July 27, 2015, 07:45:40 pm »
http://googleblog.blogspot.nl/2015/07/everything-in-its-right-place.html
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Re: Goodbye google+
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2015, 08:12:56 pm »
Personally I love G+, to the point I've stopped using other social networks.

I actually deleted my Facebook account because, although it's where my family are, my stream was full of crap most of the time, and I felt exploited and abused there.

G+ got a bad rap, IMO, partly because  a segment of the technical press had their knives out for it from day 1, and pretty much denounced it as a failure from the start. But also because of the heavy handed approach to the Youtube integration although, the reality is, no-one was ever forced to use the G+ stream, and something had to change as the Youtube comments section was a cess-pit of bigotry, stupidity and trolling.

Strangely, people seem to accept worse behaviour from Facebook without much more than a bit of grumble.

Conversely, it was actually the existing G+ userbase who actually had a viable reason to complain as, after the integration, if you posted a Youtube video on G+, it automatically added it as a comment on Youtube, and you then got inundated with the sort of low-IQ trolls that generally hang out the Youtube comments.

The claim is that they are going to continue to evolve the G+ "stream" separately from these other products and I hope it's true.

Bear in mind, even before the Youtube Integration, it was one of the fastest growing social networks in history, and (from the most recent stats) has more active users than almost any other social network other than Facebook (including twitter, LinkedIn, Pinterest, etc.).

It's often said that Facebook is where you go because that's where your family and friends post. G+ is where you go to engage with people who share your interests.

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Re: Goodbye google+
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2015, 04:47:23 pm »
Personally I love G+, to the point I've stopped using other social networks.

I actually deleted my Facebook account because, although it's where my family are, my stream was full of crap most of the time, and I felt exploited and abused there.

G+ got a bad rap, IMO, partly because  a segment of the technical press had their knives out for it from day 1, and pretty much denounced it as a failure from the start. But also because of the heavy handed approach to the Youtube integration although, the reality is, no-one was ever forced to use the G+ stream, and something had to change as the Youtube comments section was a cess-pit of bigotry, stupidity and trolling.

Strangely, people seem to accept worse behaviour from Facebook without much more than a bit of grumble.

Conversely, it was actually the existing G+ userbase who actually had a viable reason to complain as, after the integration, if you posted a Youtube video on G+, it automatically added it as a comment on Youtube, and you then got inundated with the sort of low-IQ trolls that generally hang out the Youtube comments.

The claim is that they are going to continue to evolve the G+ "stream" separately from these other products and I hope it's true.

Bear in mind, even before the Youtube Integration, it was one of the fastest growing social networks in history, and (from the most recent stats) has more active users than almost any other social network other than Facebook (including twitter, LinkedIn, Pinterest, etc.).

It's often said that Facebook is where you go because that's where your family and friends post. G+ is where you go to engage with people who share your interests.

Cheers,

Keith

I'm with Keith on this.  I dumped Facebook AND Twitter because of being porn bombed and the crap.  While not perfect, G+ is, IMO, much better.  I agree, too, with his comment about people accepting much worse from stuff on FB or Twitter. 
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Re: Goodbye google+
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2015, 08:58:15 pm »
Meh, i felt it was too forced, just like bloody facebook, and to some extent, twitter.
Want to use (service name here) ?
Use Facebook/twitter/google+...
How's about bugger off with that malarky ?
I barely use twitter, and facebook is just... blech.
My main irritation was the overbearing integration with all other google products.
It has irked me to no end.

As for engaging with people who share my interests...
That's what i have Steam for, and places like local hackerspaces, lockpicking clubs and such.

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Re: Goodbye google+
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2015, 05:14:34 am »
"Facebook is like a refrigerator: there's nothing new in it, but some people feel like they have to check every ten minutes anyway."  ;D

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Re: Goodbye google+
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2015, 08:10:51 am »
I have recently gone to Facebook (keeping my friends etc to a small manageable number) - my first social media foray beyond forums.
I do not use Twitter.
I do not use Google+ though I do have a google email (gmail) so could ... what is it? Another 'hangout' for friends rather like FB?

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Re: Goodbye google+
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2015, 08:49:30 am »
Well other than having to have a profile (which largely didn't even need to be public) you were never forced to actually use G+.

So, now you need a profile still to use YouTube. It's not called a G+ profile any more, and the connection to G+ itself is separated, but I'm not entirely sure why it's any different, what has actually changed.

The irony is the (cough) "lady" in the video you posted actually did quite well out of the G+ integration when it first happened. At the time someone did the stats and worked out (based on an analysis of comments and the old "ripples" feature at the time) that a significant number of her shares and views of this (and some of her other videos) came from G+.

Quite frankly, nearly all of the criticisms of G+ (especially in the tech press echo chamber) have come from people who really have no clue because they have never used it or never tried to use it much beyond logging in and finding their stream was empty and no one was following them (just like when they first joined Facebook).

Or, like in your case, you simply didn't have a use or interest in social networks. That's fine... Just don't use it. No one is forcing you to use it...

...unlike Facebook which, if you have a deactivated or pending deletion account, tries to reactivate it in every time you visit a page with a 'like' button, and keeps sending you emails saying that you have a private message to trick you into logging in (and reactivating). Trying to get rid of my Facebook account was a bit like trying to manually remove a Windows virus.

But the reality is most of the digs at G+ are because it's become trendy for people who don't use it to bash it.

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Re: Goodbye google+
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2015, 07:31:28 pm »
Well other than having to have a profile (which largely didn't even need to be public) you were never forced to actually use G+.

Except for Youtube, where it was made mandatory to have a Google+ profile linked if you wanted to comment on or rate a video (i've spent many a night swearing at my screen, suggesting the developers at Google who came up with that could go talk a long walk off a short pier as far as i was concerned... and that's when i wasn't swearing at them in Dutch), with all the annoying 'standard on' notifications in my Gmail that would come with it.
And there was some talk about making it mandatory for uploading.
Hell, at one point in time, the incessant whining about changing one's Youtube screenname so the Google+ part would be 'easier to find for your friends' drove me NUTS...
By the FSM, i have spent so much time wishing the most horrid diseases upon Google for that hogwash it just isn't even funny anymore.

My issue was and is that part of the 'integration' that was forced on long term users.
I don't want one unified account for everything, those who do, well, more power to them, but i find it aggravating.
Hell, i find any change that makes me relearn usage patterns or that adds things i didn't ask for aggravating.



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Re: Goodbye google+
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2015, 08:38:31 pm »
You'll still have a single Google account for everything (unless you create multiple accounts, which was always possible), and it still will be mandatory to have a profile as far as I can tell. It's just that profile won't automatically be available on G+. They've effective created different profiles for each service within the same account.

Yes the transition was messy, and they did screw up with the whole nymwars thing (they relaxed that some time back),  and some of the integrations still aren't working as well as they could (Blogger, for instance) but at the end of the day the biggest complaint seemed to be "I don't want to use G+", to which the answer was "well, don't then!".

And as for alerts, as with any such thing, the first thing I did is review the notification options, for which there is a lot of control. As such I only get email alerts for things I want, like requests to join certain communities and Youtube channels I help moderate.

Yes people hate change and a lot of the original uproar was primarily about the change, but IMO it was misdirected and mislabelled as being "Google+" when a  lot of it was about changes to general identity management within Google services which, as you said, changed some of the ways in which Youtube worked.

Those changes will continue to be there, but people have largely forgotten about it; they've already changed their habits. The vast majority of complaints tailed off after 3 or 4 months after people got used to the new way of doing things and I rarely see people even mention it now, yet alone complain about it (of course there's a little pocket of diehards who won't let it go, but it wouldn't be the Interwebz without them).

At the end of the day, after they make this change things won't have actually changed that much, but the perception will be that it has. And the vloggers who have the knives out for G+ can go back to pretending that they are achingly cool and subversive.

Cheers,

Keith
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