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Beater or Low End Bass
« on: May 19, 2015, 06:46:32 am »
Hi,
I am thinking of picking up a low end used bass just to add some bass lines to my recordings. I have a question on these. On almost all of the low end basses I see they have a split and offset neck pickup arrangement. While on more expensive basses I see what I will call a "normal" inline pickup used in that position. Not knowing any better I am going to try and avoid the split pickup configuration. Is that a wise thing to do? Should I be excluding all the cheap basses that are configured with offset pickups?

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2015, 06:50:35 am »
That's a Precision pickup if it's what I think you ar talking about.

The straight one is the J-Bass pickup.

Some have Precision up front and J at bridge.

http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1970_Fender_Precision_Bass_279814_front.jpg

http://img0012.popscreencdn.com/103506884_fender-jazz-bass-1962-62-ri-american-vintage-standard-.jpg

one of the basses I own - not mine -but looks identical.. I dual coil Jazz and normal P-Bass.
http://www.vintagekramer.com/bass/piobody.jpg
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2015, 06:57:51 am »
That's a Precision pickup if it's what I think you ar talking about.

The straight one is the J-Bass pickup.

Some have Precision up front and J at bridge.

Ah Thanks! So really there is no reason to flat out reject the offset Precision pickup arrangement strictly based upon the configuration?

I have both basses in a sampled bass sim VST. It would seem I need to listen to each and then determine what I like better. Do you have a preference? If memory serves I think the Precision bass sounded best to me.

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2015, 09:02:04 am »
I'd also opt for a PJ bass. Personally, I like the P-bass and they may evne sound best with flats IMO. Just saying. ;)
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2015, 09:26:07 am »
Thanks Cue,
I think I will take a short drive to guitar center as they have this Dean bass.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Dean-USEDDean-UJEHYBRIDCBK-JOHN-ENTWISTLE-HYBRID-BASS-BLK-Q313-109430744-i3606789.gc

If it plays and sounds decent I might order up a used one out of CA for $229 with a case. I know little about basses and even less about a "Dean" bass. Have you ever seen one of these basses and or played one?

However, in looking at used on Craigslist and eBay I find the $100 specials are looking like junk. If I could get one for $10 like my last bass 30 years ago, fine. But that is not the case here. So I might raise up the amount I will pay for something that is at least an instrument.
Ever heard of one of these things?

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2015, 09:30:25 am »
At that price, I'd avoid Dean and look for a Squier. I've played a Squier J which was great and everything Dean I've played was kinda meh.
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2015, 09:46:23 am »
At that price, I'd avoid Dean and look for a Squier. I've played a Squier J which was great and everything Dean I've played was kinda meh.

Really? Not familiar with the Squires that much. I did try a Dean acoustic once and it was probably worse than average.

On the Squier J, is that the Squier to get? I mean they make several models I think. Are any others acceptable? Also is the "J" short for Jazz?

I could also go look at this as it is maybe a 20 minute drive from me.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/msg/5031607933.html

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2015, 09:50:49 am »
Sorry, I'm so stuck in my own world that I forget that some people may not be familiar with one thing or the other! :D

Yes, J is short for Jazz and P/J or PJ is the term used for the Jazz with a Precision element in the front.

I'm sure any Squier is fine. Traditionally, the Js were easier to play than the Ps in terms of neck profile. If I had to choose between either, I'd probably still get the P, but honestly if you can find a PJ, I'd get that over anything.

ETA: Some Peavey basses are apparently quite good but I'm not sure if that one is among those.
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2015, 10:02:02 am »
ETA: Some Peavey basses are apparently quite good but I'm not sure if that one is among those.

LOL, No problem as I was pretty sure that was a J for Jazz.... I will look at the Squier basses, but I have this nagging thought in the back of my mind about Squiers as I have a cheap Squier Strat and it is cheap... the tuning pegs are very lose in their workings and just the whole thing has the feeling of cheap when you hold it. I realize I am looking for cheap, LOL, but maybe a bit better than that. So I am not sure how well the basses are made in that line.

There are a ton of Ibanez and Peaveys around. So any advice on them is good advice.

Thanks so much for your help!

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2015, 10:13:00 am »
Here is what I think Cue was talking about.... Not that this is the one to get, but I think it is the model he is keen on?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Squier-Used-Squier-P-Bass-Candy-Apple-Red-Electric-Bass-Guitar-111157809-i4334717.gc

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2015, 10:30:40 am »
The URL doesn't work for me. :(

Judging by the URL itself though, yes - a P-bass. I like the tone of the P-bass in most cases, but I've never actually played one.
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2015, 10:40:43 am »
The URL doesn't work for me. :(

Judging by the URL itself though, yes - a P-bass. I like the tone of the P-bass in most cases, but I've never actually played one.

Hum - That is strange, I just tested the link and it is a go on my end. The caption says it is a P bass but the pic shows it as a PJ. I think those have the split/offset pickup at the neck and a straight pickup at the bridge... ??

I will go up to GC tomorrow and check out the Squier basses.

Thanks once again for your assistance Cue!

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2015, 10:51:16 am »
If it looks like a G&L SB-2, then it's a PJ model. ;)

Let us know how it sounds/feels/plays. ;)

I've looked at bass guitars and I wanted an SB-2 at first, then the L-2000 seemed to make more sense and right now I'd buy a double bass if I wasn't saving for a digital piano. ;D

I currently play a 70s or 80s Aria Pro II bass (exact type unknown) which serves its purpose quite well. I'd recommend those as well if you can find one.
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2015, 11:23:30 am »
If it looks like a G&L SB-2, then it's a PJ model. ;)

Let us know how it sounds/feels/plays. ;)

I've looked at bass guitars and I wanted an SB-2 at first, then the L-2000 seemed to make more sense and right now I'd buy a double bass if I wasn't saving for a digital piano. ;D

I currently play a 70s or 80s Aria Pro II bass (exact type unknown) which serves its purpose quite well. I'd recommend those as well if you can find one.

Well the G&L is out... they start at $600 and top out over a $1000... are you sure your not a guitar salesman? J/K - Yep that one Squier link (bad) I sent you was a PJ for sure.

I found a couple 80's issue Aria Pro basses. They start (used) at about $150 then up to $300 used/new... But of course no 80's are new. Here is one:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Aria-Used-Aria-1980s-Aria-Pro-II-The-Bad-Cat-Candy-Apple-Red-Electric-Bass-Guitar-110916408-i4173879.gc

I would like to see the Squier and the Aria side by side but I don't think they are at the local GC.

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2015, 08:11:58 pm »
I have a Squier Vintage Modified Jazz bass, and I think it's more than capable for what I need (mainly just recording some simple bass lines).

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Squier-Vintage-Modified-Jazz-Bass--70s-109437343-i3271158.gc

I'm not a fan of Squier electric guitars, but it seems they make a pretty good bass and every shop I went to recommended that I give them a shot. I also tried out a used Fender P-bass, but the Squier seemed to play just as nice for a lot less money.

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2015, 09:08:35 pm »
Hi,
@ Mike - That is a really nice looking bass. Glad you said the basses in the Squire line are better than the guitars as I was not impressed at all with the 6 string guitar jobs. Alas I looked at Craigslist and GC, only to not find much in the way of used at this time. GC did have some but most were out of state, so you would be buying blind so to speak.

@ Chix - Thanks so much for your help too!

At any rate I bit the bullet on the cheap, low end Peavey. Seem to play nice, sounds ok and was really well cared for. I have yet to see a nick or scratch on it.

Here is a pic - Let me know if the link does not work!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B50dJOiyr6P1cm5pRnYwVVVVY1E&authuser=0

Thanks again to all who pitched in and helped!
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2015, 09:13:55 pm »
Looks nice! Let us know how you get on with it. I almost bought a used Peavey but the Squier Jazz just felt 'right' so I pulled the trigger on that one.

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2015, 09:42:54 pm »

At any rate I bit the bullet on the cheap, low end Peavey. Seem to play nice, sounds ok and was really well cared for. I have yet to see a nick or scratch on it.

Here is a pic - Let me know if the link does not work!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B50dJOiyr6P1cm5pRnYwVVVVY1E&authuser=0


I like it! :)

Congrats!
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2015, 09:47:22 pm »
Looks nice! Let us know how you get on with it. I almost bought a used Peavey but the Squier Jazz just felt 'right' so I pulled the trigger on that one.

Well Mike - I can tell you already that I am glad I now have a real bass. I loved my bass sim but that had to be feed via MIDI and a keyboard and that was tough sledding for me!

I am surprised by the transmission of fingers sliding on the strings noise and such. It picks up a lot more than I would have thought it would. The Bass has "Active Electronics" in that there is a battery boost in it. Would that tend to be why it is picking up the fingers noise? Of course my playing sucks, so I would be more inclined to think it is due to that.

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2015, 09:50:06 pm »
I like it! :)

Congrats!

Hum, How much do you like it? $250 and it is yours! LOL Another $25 and I will drive to Oly for ya.
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Thanks for the congrats - Now just don't ask to hear it in a tune anytime soon as this project is going to take some work in being able to play it.
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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2015, 09:57:17 pm »
Hum, How much do you like it? $250 and it is yours! LOL Another $25 and I will drive to Oly for ya.
 ;D

Thanks for the congrats - Now just don't ask to hear it in a tune anytime soon as this project is going to take some work in being able to play it.
LB

LOL.. I think I better stick to learning just guitar for now ;)  That seems to be difficult enough with all my other distractions.. Looking forward to following the progress.
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2015, 10:01:25 pm »
YES! Congrats! Enjoy, playing bass is more fun than people give it credit for.
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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2015, 10:10:55 pm »
YES! Congrats! Enjoy, playing bass is more fun than people give it credit for.

Thanks!

Actually I would likely be better suited for bass as guitar for me has been about a 40 year struggle on and off! However I have about 15 mins max on a bass, so hard to say.

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Re: Beater or Low End Bass
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2015, 10:22:43 pm »
Well Mike - I can tell you already that I am glad I now have a real bass. I loved my bass sim but that had to be feed via MIDI and a keyboard and that was tough sledding for me!

I am surprised by the transmission of fingers sliding on the strings noise and such. It picks up a lot more than I would have thought it would. The Bass has "Active Electronics" in that there is a battery boost in it. Would that tend to be why it is picking up the fingers noise? Of course my playing sucks, so I would be more inclined to think it is due to that.

LB

I don't know a lot about active pickups, but I think the main thing is that they give you some onboard frequency control and you can generally shape your tone a bit more.

Bass, in my limited experience, takes a different technique than guitar to get things sounding clean. It's definitely fun to play, but the technique differences can be frustrating (like fingerpicking on bass vs. guitar).

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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2015, 10:30:02 pm »
Preamps are also to isolate the internal circuitry from anything outside the bass. Basses suffer frequency loss more than guitars with electrical phenomena that occur, due to the different frequency spectrum they're in. Kinda like the buffering/long cable runs with guitars, except a bit worse. Or I remember this wrong and you can disregard this. :P

Bass is definitely a different beast. I find runs especially difficult as they're almost always happy accidents on the guitar and when I try that on bass I crash and burn. :P

Muting is about as crucial as it is with playing high-gain guitar. I find this especially difficult with open strings.
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