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Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« on: February 09, 2015, 03:23:36 pm »
Is anyone on here interested in doing a nice drum track for the song I wrote? 
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2015, 03:25:15 am »
I have Superior Drummer and might be into this if your still out there.

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2015, 02:21:28 pm »
I'm still here.  :)  I have the option of going to a local studio to record it, but I was hoping to see how good I can make it sound on my own first before I do that.  Plus either way, unless I can find someone who plays any of the other instruments (especially drums) it'll end up just being me and an acoustic guitar.  Which could go either way.
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2015, 02:26:01 pm »
If you plan to add other instruments later be sure to use a click track when you record the song. Reaper has a metronome that you can listen to with headphones while tracking.
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2015, 02:28:24 pm »
Thanks Scooter, I'll make sure I do that!  :)
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2015, 12:58:56 am »
Hey Rachel,

If you still need someone for this, I should have time this weekend and can try to put something together. I'll send you a PM about it.

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2015, 05:10:44 am »
Sounds like Mike might be able to help you out Hollywood.
I have one suggestion possibly. That is to lay down the drum track first and build off that. If you get a good drum beat going then you can use that instead of a click track to keep it all in sync. Just a thought and it works well on this end.

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2015, 05:30:41 am »
That is a good suggestion LBro, and it's what I tend to do. I find it easier to keep in time with a drum track than a click track. I'll even throw in a simple drum track to record songs that I don't intend to have drums on, then just delete it afterwards during the mixing stage.

Also, I replied to this thread because I had been in contact with Hollywood a while back and had offered to help out when I got the time. However, I'm not real experienced with drums so if you want to have a go at it LBro then feel free! I suppose we could both do a track, that way she would have 2 different options that she could run with.

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2015, 05:38:29 am »
I have one suggestion possibly. That is to lay down the drum track first and build off that. If you get a good drum beat going then you can use that instead of a click track to keep it all in sync. Just a thought and it works well on this end.

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That's definitely the ideal way to do it IMO..  But it can be difficult to create a drum track without the song as a reference. I recommended the click track assuming that the drums were going to be added to the song. What Ive done for adding a drum track for an existing song was to start with a scratch track with vocal and guitar that were created using a metronome, then built the drum track to that using the same tempo for the project. Then re-record the final guitar and vocal over the drum track.
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2015, 05:54:35 am »
Mike,
Only problem with me doing drums is I tend to do rock and such. Not sure Hollywood is into that. What drum wares are you using? I have Superior Drummer tweaked to a pretty heavy handed rock sound. Though something can be worked out I am sure. If you got time and can hook up with Hollywood this weekend go for it. I am trying to work on and play accurately a song I am working on. It is a lot of work!!!

Scooter - Indeed, I think one really needs to have a good feel for what they are looking for in a drum track. A lot of times I will find what I think might work and then sit and play to that to see if it "fits" well in the song. But what your saying would work too. I think collaborating over the net is cool but it makes the process of picking a drum track rather difficult. A few years back there was a site called Drum Monkey or something. That might be useful if still around as Hollywood could go there and pick what she likes and then share it with the person providing the drum track. Might really help to get things started off on the right foot and save sending a lot of files back and forth. Ah, I found the site and will post the link below:

http://www.rinki.net/pekka/monkey/


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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2015, 10:32:46 am »
@LBro

the link takes you to start page is fine but click to continue and i just get a blank white page?

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2015, 02:12:14 pm »
Hi Chix,
Yeah I had the same issue. It requires you to be running Java. If you don't have it then it has to be loaded and running before you fire up the page. I really wanted to have a peek at the tool, to see how it might have progressed since I was last in there. But alas I do not like messing with Java so I gave up. You have to realize I have at least 3 drum programs. If I had none then I would load Java and check this out as it was very useable and a pretty good addition back even 3 years ago....

Sorry for the bummer there on your end. If you do install Java and get it going then let us know how you liked it.

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2015, 02:50:12 pm »
Darn,
I went ahead and loaded Java (not always my first choice). The page for the Monkey Machine still did not work. Sigh, it must have died and is no longer viable. Sorry to get your hopes up!

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2015, 03:14:32 pm »
Rachel,  why don't you increase your odds and simply post a guide vocal/guitar track and let whomever do whatever.

Most likely someone will hear your track and get a feel for what they want to play. You then would replay your stuff to that feel.

Otherwise you end up trying to align a less than stellar vocal/guitar to a probably stiff metronomic drum track. Then you will try to sing to that and the whole ordeal will get stiffer instead of groovier.

You may in fact want to use parts from two or three different people.

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2015, 05:12:25 pm »
Rachel,  why don't you increase your odds and simply post a guide vocal/guitar track and let whomever do whatever.

Most likely someone will hear your track and get a feel for what they want to play. You then would replay your stuff to that feel.

Otherwise you end up trying to align a less than stellar vocal/guitar to a probably stiff metronomic drum track. Then you will try to sing to that and the whole ordeal will get stiffer instead of groovier.

You may in fact want to use parts from two or three different people.

Good idea TB! Should be able to get her something that would work this way.

BTW - Where you been amigo? More importantly how you doing?

Take care and I will say one more thing, Rachel should include the time signature and possibly some other details to go along with the song like beats per minute, the structure verse, chorus and anything else that might help the "drummer".

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2015, 05:49:56 pm »
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2015, 07:14:01 pm »
LBro-

I use EZDrummer. Like you I normally focus on rock-based stuff, but I can get some different sounds out of the Indie Folk EZX and even the Rock EZX is somewhat versatile.

Obviously Superior Drummer is much more tweakable than EZD, but I do have some time this weekend so I'll give it a shot. If I can't get the sound she's looking for then nothing hurt, I suppose!

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2015, 07:41:49 pm »
I backed myself up to the cloud and now float by depending on which way the wind is blowing.

Hum, sounds like your working on lyrics to a new song?
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2015, 11:29:40 pm »
Rachel,  why don't you increase your odds and simply post a guide vocal/guitar track and let whomever do whatever.

Can someone show me an example of what that would be? 

I admit that even though I trust all of you with this, I'm a little hesitant to share the final song on the internet at all before I have it copyrighted.  I've got several songs that are partway done, and I was trying to get at least 3 or 4 finished and then copyright them all at the same time to save money.  Apparently you can do up to 10 at a time for the same price as one if you do them as a collection. 
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2015, 11:50:27 pm »
Maybe a bit presumptive but if Rachel does not want to share right now across the forum, there's still a good few folk here on the forum that could give her the percussion she's looking for via a PM.

So perhaps, put yourself forward to provide the backing percussion and let Rachel PM you with one of her tracks to see how it pans out. Just an idea 8)
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2015, 11:53:38 pm »
Well it's not just the forum, it's just that I'd have to upload the track for the final version of the song somewhere for anyone to hear it.  I seriously doubt anyone would steal it (especially on this forum, but just in general) but being my first song I'm probably a little over-protective of it.
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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2015, 11:56:31 pm »
Rachel,
For the purpose of making a drum track for you, the example of it is already done. You could simply boil your guitar and vocals down and output them as an MP3 file. Pretty sure most DAWs will be able to import that and allow whoever wants to the ability to create a drum track for you. I would suggest the drum track come back to you in the form of a WAV file. If both ends of the collaboration were working on the files back and forth then they should all be WAV files.

Not sure how much the copyright fee is... but by all means if your worried about that, then do it. The peace of mind it gives you would be worth it.

Also, it is simpler to create the drum track first and then lay down the guitar, other instruments and vocals. I think some suggested you do your guitar vocal thing, post the file - maybe by pm exchange so it is not on the net. Then the drum track provider would create the main drum pattern for you. Once you get that file in your DAW then you lay down your guitar and vocals. Your file(s) could then go back to the drum track provider so they can add drum intro, fills and whatever else you might want to tweak.

If you are spot on with the click track in your DAW or a metronome then drums can be added after the vocals and guitar..... but I prefer to put the drums down first, then you can simply play to that beat. Also what would help is if you find an example in a song of a drum pattern you think you might like and share that with the drum pattern creators.

I forget what you have for a DAW.... but you might want to mention that again when your ready to do this.

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Re: Anybody interested in doing a drum track for my original?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2015, 12:07:12 am »
Not sure how much the copyright fee is... but by all means if your worried about that, then do it. The peace of mind it gives you would be worth it.

I forget what you have for a DAW.... but you might want to mention that again when your ready to do this.

I think it's $45 whether you do one song or 10, so I'd prefer to do as many as I can at once. But as soon as that happens, I'll have at least 4 songs needing drum tracks.  This is more to get an idea of who would be interested in doing it for me, though I admit I didn't really think about the copyright thing until a week or 2 ago when I realized I hadn't done it yet.

I use Reaper.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2015, 12:16:09 am »
Ah Reaper... That is a good one. Not what I use but it is very capable.

 Maybe for now you want to have those interested send you a PM. You could then privately send them your 'demo' file and go from there. Nothing would have to be posted on the Net until your ready. Toby had a good idea on this one.

In addition folks will need to know the time signature and how many BPM your song file is.

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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2015, 12:17:14 am »
Will do. Thanks, LB  :)
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