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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2014, 10:33:12 pm »
I think that pickup has a preamp (which model is your guitar?) and you can run that without an amp into the interface. It's about as hot as a magnetic pickup or hotter, meaning it'll be OK running straight into an interface - many are designed with that in mind. The two front side inputs on my Saffire interface for example are designed to also take instruments without a DI - it has instrument switches that toggle impedance.

With a preamp in your guitar, you can also run straight into the mixer. Done that with my Taylor and it's fine. Sucks if you're dependant on other band members or singers though, you can never quite hear yourself. I got me an amp for that reason.
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2014, 10:40:25 pm »
With a preamp in your guitar, you can also run straight into the mixer.

Not really.. unless it's a very short distance. Ideally (in a live situation) you would want to run the guitar into a DI box so that you can run a balanced signal a longer distance (through the snake) without adding noise. She should be able to plug the guitar directly into the instrument input of an interface though.

Sucks if you're dependant on other band members or singers though, you can never quite hear yourself. I got me an amp for that reason.

Most acoustic guitar pickups are omnidirectional so you can't get a lot of gain out of them through the monitor wedge without getting feedback. That's why a directional condenser mic works better for mic'ing an acoustic guitar in live situations. (or plugging the guitar into an amp that isn't such a close proximity to the pickup) It's possible to run the guitar into a DI and then into the monitor and FOH system and EQ out the feedback, but it can be challenging and if there's a lot of stage volume it often doesn't work well. Of course; if the guitarist needs to be mobile, the pickup is the better option, but if the guitarist is in a static position the mic is a better choice.
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2014, 11:13:00 pm »
I've got a Takamine EF341SC.  My only musical splurge so far.  :)  (And I LOVE it.)
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2014, 11:25:13 pm »
Cool guitar!

That thing sounds pretty darn good plugged in!

Bon Jovi guitar, right? ;)

Apparently Blake Shelton has one too. That's all the people I know with that guitar. :P

My girlfriend's brother just got one too and it's a nice guitar. I ran it through a few acoustic amps in the store while he was playing, both to hear how it sounds and because I want to sell my current acoustic amp (a Roland AC60) and get a different one (preferably a Fishman or a Schertler).
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2014, 11:30:45 pm »
Cool guitar!

That thing sounds pretty darn good plugged in!

Bon Jovi guitar, right? ;)

Apparently Blake Shelton has one too. That's all the people I know with that guitar. :P

Haha thanks - yeah, it does!  :D  And yes, Jon [Bon Jovi] has the same one, and so does Bruce Springsteen.  I watched an acoustic video one day of Jon and Richie [Sambora] playing and I really loved the sound of the guitar, which is what led me to eventually finding it in the furthest back corner of a small music shop in Nashville while we were passing through.  No store anywhere near me had one. 
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2014, 11:41:14 pm »
I've got a Takamine EF341SC.  My only musical splurge so far.  :)  (And I LOVE it.)

That's a beautiful guitar!

With the pickup and pre on that guitar you should be able to get some good recordings plugging the guitar directly into the instrument input of an interface. I'd be tempted to start recording with a 58 and an interface, and just plug the guitar directly into the interface. Then when you start doing live stuff you can just add a DI, or mic your amp with a 57.
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« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2014, 11:48:54 pm »
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« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2014, 11:53:15 pm »
Okay then.  I looked on Guitar Center's site and found these.  Would any of these be recommended?

1) http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-PV11-Microphone-with-Stand-and-Accessories-Pack-110334182-i3766885.gc

2) http://www.guitarcenter.com/Shure-SM58--Stand---Cable-Package-H91368-i2822109.gc

3) http://www.guitarcenter.com/Shure-PG48-LC---Stand---Cable-Package-H91371-i2822112.gc

4) http://www.guitarcenter.com/Audio-Technica-PRO-31QTR-Cardioid-Dynamic-Microphone-108858226-i1126683.gc

Or something else?

I'm looking up videos for these now, but I personally have a hard time figuring out which one sounds the best.

I would avoid ANY microphone with an on/off switch, and definitely wouldn't buy a PeaVey microphone.
Of the four options, I would definitely go with the 58. (all the rest have on/off switches)
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2014, 12:51:44 am »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/On-Stage-Stands-MS7701B-Euro-Boom-Microphone-Stand-/261686398919?pt=US_Stands_Mounts_Holders&hash=item3cedb98fc7

There is one on ebay used for $16 shipped. Sam Ash also sells them if you have any sort of coupon.  I have a couple of those. They are ok.

... and I'll tell you... after watching that guys comparisons I would buy that Behringer mic he uses.. the expensive one was $29.

So that's $60 for a mic and stand. Used interface for $120. $5 guitar cable,  Reaper

Here is my deal provided you are willing to buy used.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/On-Stage-Stands-MS7701B-Euro-Boom-Microphone-Stand-/261686398919?pt=US_Stands_Mounts_Holders&hash=item3cedb98fc7

http://www.reaper.fm/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focusrite-Scarlett-2i2-USB-Audio-Interface-Mint-original-pkg-1-year-warranty-/191335220214?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Interfaces&hash=item2c8c77c3f6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Behringer-ULTRAVOICE-XM8500-Dynamic-Vocal-Cardioid-Microphone-Music-Karaoke-/231389995180?pt=US_Karaoke_Microphones&hash=item35dfeb20ac

So what are we up to
Mic - 28
Stand - 25
Interface - 120
DAW software - Free
Guitar cable - looks like the going price is $9 on ebay
Mic cables - 12
Extra one of those cheap mics for $12

$210 roughly --- all shipped to your door.

Or

$50 for Snowball

I wouldn't waste your money on an expensive mic yet. The only difference will be those mics can't be used as hammers. When you get ready to upgrade to something really nice put those on ebay for half price and get a few bucks back.

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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2014, 01:04:20 am »
Don't neglect to consider shipping costs. Personally I'd go with the Guitar center SM58 package and an interface.

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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2014, 01:25:17 am »
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2014, 01:37:50 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8kQjRjOM8c

I can hear the difference but I wonder if that is her technique. The guy didn't have that problem, but he didn't drive it like she did. Where it got saturated. Other than that, I really can't hear anything that would concern me. to get up and rolling with anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7f9bz2ihA

not the greatest recording but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdiuq8dRQJc

Seems to work great with this vocal formant synth......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWPCOT3tWrE

Here's a guts shot -- no transformer? -- or at least I didn't see one
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2014, 01:47:46 am »
Well, the good news is, of the 2 in that video, I thought the SM58 sounded better.  THe other one had a few weird spots in the sample that I'm not sure how to describe.  Kind of static-y, maybe?

At least that will get me going, yes.  I can get a nicer one once I'm actually making money off of music and/or are really starting to get somewhere with it.  For now, $80 plus the interface is fine.  (THey have a $20 off promo right now as well as a $10 mail-in rebate, so actually it's $70.)


So, the other question now:  Which interface(s) do you guys recommend that is around or under $100?
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2014, 01:54:38 am »
An SM58 for $70?  ... yes that is a good price..

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THe other one had a few weird spots in the sample that I'm not sure how to describe.  Kind of static-y, maybe?
The girl? ... yes... I think she was driving it too hard... the SM58 did should better ... but it is a viable budget option if use properly.

But yeah. The SM58 is better.

GC has new arrival 2i2 used for $99. I don't know why that one is $99 and the other is $118 but ....

But that is decent one. The Focusrite Scarlet 2i2. You will just have a hard time finding one for $100.

You might can win this one... it looks clean and the seller has high sales count with over 99% feedback
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focusrite-Scarlett-2i2-Digital-Recording-Interface-/351248703550?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Interfaces&hash=item51c80de03e

Actually ebay says they are trending at $105 and there are several in list. I think you get one for $100... watch the shipping though... should be able to get it $100 with shipping if you find the right one.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=scarlet+2i2&_from=R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xfocusrite+scarlet+2i2&_nkw=focusrite+scarlet+2i2&_sacat=0
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2014, 02:01:48 am »
Guitar Center has a lot of used interfaces... are there any particular brands that are better?  Or any to avoid?
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