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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #275 on: December 17, 2014, 03:48:18 am »
Is the quietness going to be a problem?

How do you do that without plugging the headphones into the computer?

I assume you will be recording with Reaper or a similar DAW. All should have the ability to directly monitor your track by clicking a button in the program. So if the direct monitoring is too quiet, you can monitor from the DAW instead.

The only potential issue is latency, but I've been able to make it work and my PC is several years old with not the best specs so I assume your Mac has better performance and should have less of a latency issue.

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« Reply #276 on: December 17, 2014, 04:25:29 am »
^ This.  Both.  The music sites say it doesn't work on a 10.6.8, and some of the comments on the pages are from 2011.  But Mackie's website says it works on 10.7.

So then it should work. You can use 3 year old comments.
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« Reply #277 on: December 17, 2014, 04:27:57 am »
Agreed, I would trust Mackie's website. If they say it works and it doesn't, then they are looking at some big problems and very unhappy customers. Chances are they've updated the product in the last 3 years so that it will work with newer OS's.

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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #278 on: December 17, 2014, 08:07:49 am »
Well, I just realized the 2i4 needs a Mac OSX 10.7 or higher, and mine is 10.6.8... so I'd have to buy an upgrade to the computer, which is another $20.... so I think it's probably better to just stick with the 2?

Upgrading to OSX Yosemite (10.10.1) is free now.

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« Reply #279 on: December 17, 2014, 02:19:45 pm »
The impedance on the 280 must be in the name, I think the 300 ohm spec was on the 'Pro' version which was the first one I found on Google.

I too run into latency issues when I start to run plugins on my input. This only starts to get a little annoying when I'm tracking electric guitar that I run through amp/cab sims.
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« Reply #280 on: December 17, 2014, 05:43:28 pm »
Other way. Impedence in the Pro version is 64 ohm; regular HD280 is 300.
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« Reply #281 on: December 17, 2014, 06:08:22 pm »
My K240's are low like that too. The AT-M50s will blow your head off. They all work fine though IME.

If you are just tracking you use most anything. Mixing though it shouldn't be problem.
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« Reply #282 on: December 17, 2014, 09:02:04 pm »
I use my DT770s for tracking but they sometimes leak some highs when my head is close to the mic (which is relatively often). They're great for mixing, but I'm sure somebody has a suggestion for cheaper closed-back headphones that don't have that (I'm expecting AT).
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« Reply #283 on: December 17, 2014, 10:18:55 pm »
Okay, I finally got it taken care of!  We happened to be near Guitar Center today, so we stopped in and I talked with the guy there.  I ended up getting the Scarlett 2i2 (they didn't have the Mackie in store, which helped make that decision).  I said I wanted the SM58 combo pack, and he recommended the Sennheiser e835 for several reasons, so I got that with a mic stand and cable.  I checked on the mic and it has really good reviews, so I should be all set.   ;D  I'll start playing around with it tomorrow and get it all set up and everything.

Thanks a million to all of you who helped out with this!!! 
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« Reply #284 on: December 17, 2014, 11:05:10 pm »
Congrats Hollywood!

There's one thing though - clips or it didn't happen! ;)

Enjoy learning and recording, I'm sure you'll be sharing some of it with us. You will, right? ::)

I think I actually considered the e835 too, precisely because of good reviews. I never got one because I wanted something that worked on both guitar amp and vocals. Now that ain't easy so it would be a compromise anyway.
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« Reply #285 on: December 18, 2014, 12:00:07 am »
Congrats Hollywood! Enjoy! :)
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« Reply #286 on: December 18, 2014, 12:24:41 am »
Congrats!
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« Reply #287 on: December 18, 2014, 12:39:52 am »
There's one thing though - clips or it didn't happen! ;)

Enjoy learning and recording, I'm sure you'll be sharing some of it with us. You will, right? ::)

Of course!   :) 

Stay tuned... The Adventures of Learning To Operate The Scarlett will begin tomorrow at 11:00 am EST on JustinGuitar.com.   ;D
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« Reply #288 on: December 18, 2014, 12:50:53 am »
Stay tuned...
... she said joyfully, to a forum filled with musicians. ;D

Can't wait to hear some better quality recordings from you. ;)
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« Reply #289 on: December 18, 2014, 01:04:36 am »
Awesome, congrats on the purchase! I think you'll be happy with the interface, and the mic appears to have pretty solid reviews. I'm looking forward to hearing some clips!

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« Reply #290 on: December 18, 2014, 02:04:15 am »
Oh shoot.... I was just getting ready to call Abbey Road and tell them you wanted to buy the whole deal.

Yeah, you will be happy once you get going with it.

I'll give you a warning up front.... Those green lights and orange lights and red lights on that dial....

The RED is not a GOAL to be sought and just backed off from. It is to be avoided at all cost.

The Yellow/Orange is actually HOT and you don't want  to be there either.

The GREEN lights come on at -24dB.. that means even if you just had the green lights on at their lowest you will get a perfectly fine recording.

The RED is not a speed limit sign that you simply don't want to pass. It's a SONIC NIGHTMARE that you want to stay way away from.

If you could keep the most of your playing, the bulk of what you play or sing somewhere between the GREEN just coming on and MAYBE every once in a while you see just a hint of YELLOW happen on a really loud peak... then you will be perfect.

DO NOT worry that your waveforms in your DAW look small. That's what ZOOM is for.

When you play the track back it should show a PEAK level NOT OVER -6dB and really you might want to consider -10dB your limit ( smaller number is louder ) and you want an AVERAGE around -15dB. Most of the videos you see on YouTube are done wrong. They are recording needlessly and harmfully way too HOT. It will make it more difficult to get a good overall final product.



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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #291 on: December 18, 2014, 02:12:09 am »
Good advice TB. I normally keep it in the -10dB to -15dB level, and often times the level will drop below -24dB so the green ring blinks on and off a bit.

Recordingrevolution has a good video on gain staging. I think it's this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enhcve9Lblc

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« Reply #292 on: December 18, 2014, 02:32:04 am »
My master bus usually peaks at -12dB or so, I think -10 on the master is also suggested by Graham from the above video. I suppose that means that my individual tracks peak even lower than that. -10dB is a good rule of thumb.


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« Reply #293 on: December 18, 2014, 04:52:46 pm »
Now for the silly questions... I can't figure out how to use it!  It's plugged into my computer, the USB light is on, and I've got the mic and guitar plugged in.  Now what?
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #294 on: December 18, 2014, 08:52:31 pm »
Start making some noise (bash on some chords, tap on the mic) and turn the gain knobs next to each input up until the halos around said gain knobs start flickering green. ;)
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #295 on: December 18, 2014, 09:10:12 pm »
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« Reply #296 on: December 18, 2014, 10:25:43 pm »
Now for the silly questions... I can't figure out how to use it!  It's plugged into my computer, the USB light is on, and I've got the mic and guitar plugged in.  Now what?

Yeah.. Install Reaper. Create a track ("insert" "track") There are shortcut keys. Ctrl-T on PC, not sure what it is on Mac.

After you have created a track, right-click on the led segments to the right of the fader on the track and where it says "input mono" click and select your interfaces first channel.

Plug your mic into the #1 input of your interface. Talk into the mic and adjust the level so that it's below clipping.

Go into reaper and arm your track by clicking the red 'record arm" button on the track.

Click the red record button on the transport and begin recording.

Press the stop button on the transport when you're done recording. You'll be prompted to save the take. Save it. Then you can rewind and play back the recording.

That should get ya started.
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Re: USB or mic with cheaper interface?
« Reply #298 on: December 27, 2014, 09:28:48 pm »
I just went against my own advice and purchased the UR22, to replace my E-MU that died a few months ago. If anyone's interested, I'll report back when I get it.
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