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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2014, 02:56:58 pm »
@drubbing Fast changes definitely make the strumming harder, mostly when the strings I'm supposed to be hitting change. Particularly the change to D. I tend to catch on the D string. I have not put a lot of focus on just strumming The D Chord and I think I probably need to do that.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the mechanical approach. Separating things out and learning then independent of the other?

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2014, 03:05:21 pm »
I found the written - DDuuD etc - approach to learning strumming, mechanical. it came more naturally to me to listen and copy. I can't hear a rhythm when it's written on a page.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2014, 03:20:48 pm »

I found the written - DDuuD etc - approach to learning strumming, mechanical. it came more naturally to me to listen and copy. I can't hear a rhythm when it's written on a page.

Oh, I see. I haven't tried paying along with anything yet. More adventures await.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #78 on: December 09, 2014, 07:12:39 pm »
Thanks for the kind replies.

The kids bought me a capo for my birthday so I've started learning some of the other songs - ie more from my kind of era. Knowing the songs better and strumming harder/louder seems to be making things a bit easier. I'll post some more clips soon, and I promise to leave the singing out! ;D

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #79 on: December 09, 2014, 09:06:28 pm »
Don't leave the singing out dbrx :)

I would say that knowing songs well makes a huge difference to how easy it is to learn them.  As others have said getting the changes smooth and the foot tapping will help. But that is fantastic for just 3 weeks in!

I would also say as someone who has been posting songs here for a few months that your singing will really improve as you practice as well.

I'm hoping he won't mind me pointing you his way, but one of the regular posters here - Rossco - has been posting songs since quite early in the BC. You should check out his soundcloud and compare his playing and vocals in the early days to his recent songs - he is so good at both now :)

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BadOmega - really I think that is fine for where you are. You will improve 'naturally' with more practice, no need to fixate too much, just keep with the programme :)

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #80 on: December 09, 2014, 10:37:22 pm »

no need to fixate too much, just keep with the programme :)

But.... Fixating is what I do best.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #81 on: December 10, 2014, 12:54:54 am »
Hi all. I am both proud and a little scared to be posting my first ever recording. As many others have done I am starting with three little birds -- probably the song I am most comfortable with. I have been lurking this forum for a while now but am now ready to jump right in. I look forward to any comments or criticisms you may have.

I find it interesting how recording and then listening to your own playing can tell you so much. I had no idea how slow my singing and playing was until now. Kind of goes along with my personality, I suppose. Most people see me as pretty laid back.

Anyway, I look forward to posting more as I progress through BC...hopefully improving as I go.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #82 on: December 10, 2014, 01:15:56 am »
@DBRX

Nice job with those videos, especially considering you've only been doing it for three weeks. I've in for about the same amount of time and loving it.
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #83 on: December 10, 2014, 02:14:28 am »
@ phx1973

Nice work phx1973. As a beginner here too I don't really have critique for you other than to say well done for posting a recording. I'm trying to muster the courage to do the same. Might have a go at the weekend if I'm feeling brave enough!

I have to say, having only found the forum last week and spending way to much time, (when I should be working) browsing it, see people of all levels posting up their recordings is awesome!
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« Reply #84 on: December 10, 2014, 02:26:11 am »
Do it. No one will humiliate you, and you will get good advice to help improve.

I took nearly 3 years to post audio, but I just didn't get round to recording myself til earlier this year.

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« Reply #85 on: December 10, 2014, 02:30:24 am »
@ Drubbing

Thanks for the encouragement...

...and without wanting to derail the thread too much just wanted to say a quick thanks from a beginner to all involved with the website & forum, what a fantastic resource. I've progressed more in the last couple of weeks going through the first couple of beginners lessons than I ever have in probably 15 years of picking up the guitar every year or so and getting as far as learning one or two buzzy, inaccurate chords then giving up again.
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #86 on: December 10, 2014, 02:44:24 am »
@phx1973- It sounds good to me. There were a few places where it sounded like you stopped strumming, I think. I confess, I was mostly listening to the singing. (oops)

I look forward to hearing your progress.

@numbnuts- I look forward to hearing yours too. You can doooo eeeeeet

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #87 on: December 10, 2014, 03:27:05 am »
@ Numbnuts


I totally agree! Seeing other beginners struggling to make A-D-E chord changes (well, you get the idea) has actually motivated me to keep going. There is something about realizing that others are going through the challenges that makes you feel better about your own progress. Good luck
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #88 on: December 10, 2014, 06:03:37 pm »

@phx1973- It sounds good to me. There were a few places where it sounded like you stopped strumming, I think. I confess, I was mostly listening to the singing. (oops)

Thanks for the comments! I probably stopped strumming because of the singing. Doing both the first time out may have been overestimating my guitar competency. Square 1 has to start somewhere, right?


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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #89 on: December 10, 2014, 08:33:40 pm »
well done on everyone posting their recordings etc here. I would like to do the same, but I currently have no means of inputting any sound or audio, not owning a webcam, or even a microphone that I could plug in at this time. Will see if I can find one soon.  I am ever so slightly ahead of being an absolute beginner. In fact I'm at the end of the beginners course (but I skipped the songs), and now going back to the beginning starting with some of the songs, it's just they way I wanted to do it and see if that would work for me, time will tell :-)

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #90 on: December 10, 2014, 08:42:01 pm »
@phx1973
Good first post ... and its value will only be fully revelaed as you continue to learn and make yourself into a better player ... then you can listen back and marvel at your progress.
I hear mostly good clean chords with chord changes coming on time.
Can't ask for much more after such a little time - especially with you singing at the same time.
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #91 on: December 10, 2014, 10:53:22 pm »
well done on everyone posting their recordings etc here. I would like to do the same, but I currently have no means of inputting any sound or audio, not owning a webcam, or even a microphone that I could plug in at this time. Will see if I can find one soon.  I am ever so slightly ahead of being an absolute beginner. In fact I'm at the end of the beginners course (but I skipped the songs), and now going back to the beginning starting with some of the songs, it's just they way I wanted to do it and see if that would work for me, time will tell :-)
Dont skip the songs...
Whats the point in Learning guitar if You cant play a song?
You are not ahead, im affraid... Your behind ...

Go and learn songs, It's not to late;-)

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #92 on: December 11, 2014, 12:26:23 am »
@torikoos I recorded mine with my phone an emailed it to myself.

I have a microphone on my computer and audacity but every time I tried that way my playing got even worse.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2014, 12:56:10 am »
OK, here we go. First ever recording. A small section of "What's Going On", 4 Non Blondes.

I dropped the ball a bit at the start with a wrong chord and my strumming needs some (read "a lot") of work, but I'm happy with progress so far.

Mouth-to-strum-to-chord co-ordination not there enough to sing yet, as soon as I open my mouth my arms simply stop moving!! so you're all spared from my Teesside 'Boro' drone, for now.....

Anyway, this is me about 4 weeks into the beginners course and on about lesson 3 or 4 from memory (up to Am Dm & C7 G7 lessons).

Waiting for my RUST DVD and Beginners Songbook to arrive, (hopefully before Christmas break so I have time to digest and practice it).

Recorded on the iPhone with no external mic, just the phone.

   
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2014, 01:11:22 am »
I wish I was doing that at 4 weeks.

Strumming is very good for where you're at. You've got a good rhythm and the tempo is pretty even - many people struggle with this, and that's why their tunes sound a bit all over the place. You played a song.

Don't attempt singing for a while.


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« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2014, 01:18:51 am »
Thanks Drubbing. 4 weeks is a slight exaggeration in the sense that I have owned a guitar for years. Every couple of years I pick it up and play the same G C D A E chords in some form or other, then get bored and it fades away again.

Since finding Justin Guitar I've become massively enthusiastic about actually learning to play, and not just repeating the same basic chords ad infinitum.

This was, however, the first time I've attempted any kind of structured strumming pattern rather than just free styling a few basic chords.

I'm going to set aside the weekend to go back through the first 3-4 lessons properly again as I skipped the ear training and the metronome, mainly due to not having a good space at home to set up properly so I've been running the lessons from scraps of paper and concentrating on 1 minute changes.

Cheers.
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2014, 01:41:02 am »
Ah that's cheating. In that case, you're crap and need to lift your game…

Seriously, the strumming is pretty natural, the chords changes smooth. I think you've just got to stick at it consistently. Little and often (everyday preferably) not big slabs of time 2-4 days a week.

The problem with your previous approach is there's no structure, even if you're picking random covers off YT to copy. You've no idea if it's within your capabilities or not. Justin's course builds logically and even tells you what to practice.

As for 'formal' strum patterns, I know Justin's RUST has dozens of them, but there's not that many that get used a lot. Even the percussive mutes are just rhythmic variations on a handful of patterns.

I'm playing as many songs as I can at present, and feel I'm cheating or 'stuck' because nearly everything I choose seems to be DDuuD. But the different chords, changes mid beat, rhythms and tempos mean they're all clearly different tunes. I also tend to throw in my own variations on patterns with tunes I know well, and if it sounds good, it is good.


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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2014, 01:58:14 am »
Ah that's cheating. In that case, you're crap and need to lift your game…

Lol, yep! Seriously though, that was the first time I'd played anything that sounded remotely musical to me, so I whipped out the phone and hit record. I seem to have gone backwards a bit since then, (that was about 4 nights ago?).

Little and often (everyday preferably) not big slabs of time 2-4 days a week.

Absolutely. I've been doing 20-30 minutes every day. Basically, as per practice schedules. 5 minutes chord practice, 5 minutes finger warm up. 1 minute changes then just messing about for a bit. Most of my 1 minute changes are up at the 60 mark, there's a few in there I'm still working on before I move on to the next lesson, and as I say, I want to go back over and play with metronome and do the ear training before I go to the next lesson too.

The problem with your previous approach is there's no structure, even if you're picking random covers off YT to copy. You've no idea if it's within your capabilities or not. Justin's course builds logically and even tells you what to practice.

Couldn't agree more! Finding this site has been a revelation. I'd play simple 3 chord John Denver type songs here and there, but that was it as far as it went. Every time I sat down to "practice" I'd just filter out an "easy" song on Ultimate Guitar and skip anything that had a chord I didn't know, (most of them). So, it just meant I basically played the same 3 chords in varying patterns and falling into the trap of practicing what you can do, not what you can't. Following a structured routine and actually learning something before you move on has been great. Flicking through the forum and listening to peoples sound clouds from beginner to 12 months in has been fantastic, it really helps keep you motivated knowing that it is possible to learn to play with the right teacher and right structure.

Can't wait to get home from work tonight and get these last couple of 1 minute changes nailed....

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #98 on: December 11, 2014, 02:15:03 am »
I'm sure you'll make a lot of progress quickly. you've got some good basics to build on already. Give it 6 months of following the course and you'll be playing stuff you never thought you could do.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #99 on: December 11, 2014, 02:19:04 am »
@ Drubbing l

Thanks man.
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