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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2014, 06:21:32 am »
@ tobyjenner

I'm glad you got that sorted out. I was coming back to the thread to delete my response, as I felt it was a little negative and unhelpful. I think it's one of the few songs in the BSB that is not identified as a 16th note pattern when he converts it to an 8th note pattern. I also don't think he explicitly says it in the video, but he definitely plays the whole pattern for each chord. It's such a recognizable rhythm that when you get it right, you'll instantly know. Good luck. Maybe I'll get around to posting my version. I've been messing around with trying to play it as A Bm D A, but I just can't make the changes to and from Bm quick enough.
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2014, 09:48:25 am »
@erichamion - great first recording dude. I think playing tighter with the metronome will just come with practice. When recording a good trick is to put the metronome in headphones so only you hear it and the mic doesn't pick it up! But great stuff :)
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2014, 09:52:05 am »
@Rolandson - tough choice for a beginner that one, and what I'd recommend is making sure you play it in time before adding in the fancy strumming. Try just playing the 4 down strum versions along with a metronome and if you struggle to do that then you probably shouldn't be trying to add in the more complex strumming yet!

It's the pauses between chords you should be aiming to eliminate - but very well done :)
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2014, 09:53:31 am »
@floydnb very nice sounding chords (and nice crisp sounding guitar btw!) you're doing great! certainly ready to rock stage 2!!
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2014, 09:56:39 am »
@tobyjenner - you're doing great dude - certainly wouldn't be worrying about 'missing some up strums'- much more important to be keeping solid time, which you are doing!!

My one thought is that maybe you're strumming a little too hard, or perhaps using a too hard pick - try and be a little more delicate, even though it's a puky tune, I think a 20% lighter touch might make it's overall sound a lot better! Well done :)
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2014, 01:05:05 pm »
@ justinguitar - thanks for the input. As to strumming too hard I think you are spot on. I don't seem to be able to adopt a light tough and this was played using 0.5mm pick. Its something I'm going to have to work on during consolidation but have you made any lessons that indicate how to soften up ?

@Borodog - thanks. Just started recording via Guitar Rig and not quite got the settings right but I'll take on board touch and dynamics. One of my biggest problems is being heavy handed, as I drop the pick when I lighten things up. All about practice. And yes it could do with some accents :)

Or is it a case of practice practice practice, as my response above.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2014, 01:20:12 pm »
@Tobyjenner I'm not sure we're you're at, but in the IM course there are lessons on accenting different strums.

Uptill the a few weeks into the IM couldn't use anything other then .38mm Dunlop pick for strumming.

As I practising the accents I notice it made my whole touch a lot lighter. It kinda happened naturally.

Everyone is different so it may be something you have to work with.

 
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2014, 01:31:58 pm »
@TheCasual

I'm about to start BC9 and mainly working on BC6 songs, (F !!!) but go back over the early songs to practice RUST or the specific strumming patterns from the BSB. Thanks for the info re the IM. I might jump into a few lessons to see Hey what's going on (no pun) but intend to spend about a year consolidating to ensure my foundation is truly sound. As I said in another post "I've learnt more in the last 18 months than I had over the previous 18 years".  8)

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2014, 02:52:27 pm »
at justinguitar

thank you.
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2014, 06:20:25 pm »
Toby,

Consciously focus on relaxing your hand and loosening your grip on the pick. If your hand has give, the pick can move out of the way of the string. If your hand has no give, the strjng is forced out of the way of the pick. The former yields softer notes than the latter.
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2014, 06:29:49 pm »
@Boro
Thanks for that sound advice. I know this is just a technique I need to learn so plan to try things real slow and record the outcome - for my own self analysis. I still do Forced Changes for those stubborn chords and have a range of different progressions for my RUST practice, so there's plenty of opportunity to take a softer approach. As TheCasual said there's coverage in the IM so I'll rattle on with the BC and once done work on this during Consolidation but have a look at some IM lessons in advance.

Cheers again for your support and input, much valued.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2014, 07:53:37 pm »
WHATS UP - Recording 2

Ok folks here's another take, after sorting the strumming pattern out at 16ths and slowing down to 63 bpm.
Sounded ok so decided to record against a backing track I'd found. Softer picking attempted, hence me losing the grip around 2:10 and 3:00.................apologies to Linda Perry for what I have done !

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2014, 08:17:47 pm »
Much better Toby.  8)  Good timing, chord changes where way better. You still seem a little tense but
I think you'll relax once you don't have to think about the rhythm.

How did you like playing with the recording instead of a metronome? I actually find it easier.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2014, 08:33:18 pm »
Cheers Stitch. I think the tenseness comes from concentrating soo hard on keeping it all together. Yeah the backing track helped a lot, as I felt myself 'getting into it' and that helped with the accents - which seemed a little more noticeable - and for a while I just closed my eyes and when for it.....about 15 seconds before the 2:10 cluster "£$%.  8)
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2014, 08:00:00 am »
@tobyjenner Like it and sounds very good particularly with the backing track. Took me a while to get the strumming pattern right and then to be able to sing to it without losing it. Definitely one of those songs where you need to be on automatic in terms of playing.
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« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2014, 08:45:29 pm »
So seems like ages since I posted anything and feel like I'm getting out of the habit....BSB thread used to be my go to for anything in those early learning stages but for now I'll start to use this. So having moved through Stage 8 and 9 I'm now on the road to trying to put those good lessons to use.

So on this occasion the focus is on finger picking which for me is a first as up until now it's been strumming all the way. I have been practicing Hallelujah quite hard but it is tricky with the F thrown in... so picked up Everybody hurts to practice with a little (as easier chords).

A little warning in advance in that it's an early cut with not that much practice. There are some bum screechy notes which is as much about my finger picking technique as anything else but again the aim is to post early and then post something later when it's a little more polished so all those other beginners can see that you can - with practice - improve.

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2014, 10:14:41 pm »
@ Rossco

Been awhile :)  Moving on to some finger-style, nice.  I've done a few finger-style songs, just finished Lovers Cross by Jim Croce, and am finding it to be one of my favorite things to do. 

Obviously being the first time for fingerstyle its going to be a bit rough.  Other than the occasional hitting the bass string too hard and some hesitation on chord changes it sounds pretty good with crisp clear notes.  I'm sure though it won't take you long to smooth it out.  I'm looking forward to hearing it with the vocal when you are ready.  I think this one is going to fit your voice nicely :)

Are you still playing Hallelujah too?  I'd stay at it too to keep after that bar F.  Unless of course you don't have time.  My biggest issue with finger style and bar F was getting the bar down quick enough to let the bass E ring out.  I had many of them come out muted being too slow on getting the bar down and still do on occasion :), though it has improved greatly.

 
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2014, 11:07:55 pm »
Rossco nicely done for a first, Funny enough tried to look at the lesson the other night but the link dead endend. Left hand right hand coordination is real hard when embarking on fingerstyle to  start with but you're doing ok. Your analysis shows your aware this first cut will need polishing but at least you're comfortable to jump in and say hey in time more to come. Good start........long way of thinking about posting my efforts on Fasts Car rendition - very cumbersome at present :(

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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2014, 01:40:41 am »
Hey! here is my instrumental version of "Wild Thing" by the Troggs.
The strumming pattern is different then suggested and I am using an unplugged bass for it.
would like some feedback :)

   
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2014, 04:36:44 am »
@McLabraid

That ain't bad dodad.... got to give you originality points for the unplugged bass. Can't say I've ever run into that one before.
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« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2014, 08:24:10 am »
Good effort McLabraid sounds different but still got the Wild Thing essence.
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« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2014, 08:26:54 am »
Cheers Sweed and Toby. I'm keeping Hallelujah going (posted a really really rough cut on my soundcloud) but there is nowhere to hide with fingerstyle so if you've got a bum chord fingering or you fluff the pattern you hear it straight away. I'd agree moving quickly enough on F whilst maintaining a good chord is pretty tricky. As with everything on guitar though it's just about how much you want to practice it. If you do enough you get there eventually. There is just so much to learn.
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2014, 07:43:48 pm »
@ Rolandson

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Nice tone and everything clean but the rhythm is still somewhat haphazard. More practice!
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Re: Beginner's Thread
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2014, 08:07:37 pm »
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the rhythm is still somewhat haphazard.

I think that's where you slipped the grip on your pick?

 

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