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Offline MrBigStuff

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Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« on: April 17, 2014, 07:39:00 pm »
The tab for Walkin' Easy Blues says it's in 4/4 but just mentions the song being in triplets. Is there something I should be aware of or is it just a minor error? The DVDs are awesome by the way.

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 08:33:40 pm »
Triplets in 4/4 time:  1 and a 2 and a 3 and a 4 and a

So eighth notes would tend be a shuffle rhythm:  1 and a 2 and a 3 and a 4 and a

There are probably other time signatures you could use, but for blues this it the typical construct...

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2014, 08:35:39 pm »
It is a 4/4 time the count is 1 trip let 2 trip let 3 trip let 4 trip let
or 1 an e 2 an e 3 an e 4 an e

These two lessons will help with your triplet count in 4/4 time.
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-155-Triplets.php
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-156-RhythmBasics3.php

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2014, 03:05:07 am »
Triplets aren't 3/4 time?

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2014, 03:10:43 am »
If you happen to be counting a blues and the notes playing sound like ...


One ...... and Two ...... and Three .....

Like a lumbering along kind of thing. That's the triplet but it has a note missing out of the triplet and it's "swung"... So that One... feels really long... the Two feels really long etc.

Triplets look like

/// - /// - /// - ///

But that beat looks like
/ / - / / - / / - / /   >> you see how there is something missing in the middle? that's those long down beats taking up that space..

But that sounds a lot different from dead ahead 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & which is a very steady even beat. It won't have that lumbering feel.
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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2014, 03:14:59 am »
No... triplets are usually one beat of whatever the time signature is.

Like 4/4 is 4 beats to a 1/4 note. So a triplet is 3 mini-beats in the space of a 1/4 note.

4 triplets in a bar of 4/4

/// /// /// ///


Triplets don't divide mathematically.

If a 1/4 note is X length of time, then you fit three notes in that exact same space in time.

So if you had a tempo where a 1/4 note lasted for a 1/4 second. Then the triplet would last for a 1/4 second as well.

1/4 note = .25sec
1/8 note = 2 notes in .25sec
1/4 note triplet = three like value of time notes in .25sec
swung 1/4 note triplet = unequal duration notes in .25sec -- like maybe the first one is a little longer.

___ ___ ___   = one triplet all even notes same length

____      ___  = still used the same space, inserted a rest and the first note was a hair longer and the last a hair short but still overall the same exact 1/4 note space. --- This is done by feel ... If you get too crazy with it it gets into stuff like Frank Zappa and you might fit extra notes and get 5, 7 notes in that space. Same principal but they get different names like sextuplets or whatever the number is .

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2014, 03:42:57 am »
TB not sure I follow. How is what you just described not 3/4? 3 beats per measure (bar), and 1/4 note receiving one beat (i.e. in notation a half note is still two beats).

Isn't the " 1...and a" type rhythm 16ths? You've still got 4 beats there, you're just not playing one (e.g. the gallop in Barracuda).

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2014, 03:56:09 am »
3/4 = 1 2 3 = / / / quarter notes = /// /// /// 1/4 note triplets 1 and a 2 and a 3 and a

3/4 with 5tuplets  = ///// ///// /////   notice there are 3 beats. Each beat get s 1/4 note value. Each set of 5 I have written takes the time duration of one 1/4 note.

The 1/4 note is arbitrary based on speed. IOw.. if a 1/4 note lasted .125sec... that would make 1/16th notes pretty damn fast and my music might require 1/16 notes.
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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2014, 04:06:42 am »
Isn't the " 1...and a" type rhythm 16ths? You've still got 4 beats there, you're just not playing one (e.g. the gallop in Barracuda).


One And A === 3x 1/4 === 1 whole
16ths = 16 == 4x 1/4 ===  1 whole

A triplet is not dependent on the time signature. It just means play three notes in the time space of specified note value... ie. quarter, eight, etc..
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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2014, 04:22:39 am »
Here... try this. Get a 12" ruler.

Now put a piece of tape on it for 4 1/16th notes.

Tape at 1" 3" 6" 9"   notice you have 4 equal length sections. If 1" to 12" equal the passage of time.

4 equal notes 1/16th notes. the ruler represents 1/4 note divided as 4 1/16th notes. all equal.

Now... divide the ruler into 3 equal notes. Tape at 1" 4" 8"  that's a 1/4 note triplet. The ruler is a 1/4 note. Each piece of tape is the start of a note.

Now get three rulers and lay end to end. That's 3/4 time. So you could play....


|/-- /-- /-- |/// /// /// |/-- --- --- |/ /  / /  / / |

So that's a bar with 3 1/4 notes followed by a bar with 3 1/4 note triplets followed by a bar of a single whole note(or a single 1/4 note and two 1/4 note rests) followed by a final bar with 6 1/8th notes ( 6 8ths = 3 4ths )  It's still all 3/4 time.   Quarter note is main division all else works from and 3 beats to measure.



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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2014, 04:41:54 am »
Thanks for that. The ruler analogy is a good one.

I think I get what you are saying now. The time signature is dividing the measure, whereas triplets sextuplets and whathaveyoulets are describing how the beats are divided?

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2014, 04:49:31 am »
Exactly!!!

The first number divides the bar. 3/4, 4/4, 12/8, whatever... take first number or top number. That's your bar division.

Second number equals a note value that makes sense for the speed of the song. Related to Tempo

"tuplets" are simply containers for defined note value that contain x number of notes and/or rests.

Not value = Quarter
Number of notes = whatever you want... 3, 5, 7, 9  but they have to fit in that quarter note container.

This is a bar of 4/4

----7--- ---7-- ---7-- ---7--------------------------3- -3- 3 --3
|/////// /////// /////// ///////| / / / / | // // // // |/// /// /// /// |

7tuplets|quarter|eight|triplet|    all 4/4

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2014, 05:00:32 am »
@OP - I just got my book out... and unless he has changed it.... The opening is triplets.....

1 --- 2&a --- 3&a -- 4&a| 1&a 2&a 3 4 |Bang... now it's 1&2&3&4&  1/8th notes.

So the song is mostly dead on 4/4 but the intro is done in triplets.... still 4 beats per measure and a triplet gets 1/4 note value as described above.


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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2014, 12:14:43 am »
All of this is 4/4......





When he subdivides into 3 he creates an underlying rhythm

Bold = accent

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

Later he takes a beat and makes it a triplet and is playing much faster ( 3 hits per beat )

So he could play

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 -- right hand
/// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// - left hand ( /// = triplet same duration as 1 beat above ) and he could accent those in a different manner if he wanted like 1 2 3 4 1

I'm not saying that is exactly what he is doing but that is an example of how it can all be divided up and still be 4/4.... Bottom line you always need to have a grasp of how long your bar lasts and what it's foundation is ( note value ). Then.... you apply a rhythm to the space you are allowed.

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Re: Time Signature for Walkin' Easy Blues
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2014, 12:58:58 am »
Sounds like 4/4 shuffle to me.  It swings.

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