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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2014, 09:51:29 am »
Yeah....... that seems to be the general consensus re: Windows 8.1

First they xx--xx up Office....... then they came for Windows ...... Did no one tell these gobshites that they were meant to make it functional, efficient and productive while they were busy making it fluffy and pink?

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Ease the pain a little and take a look at Classic Shell. It will at least straighten out a few of the twists and turns.

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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2014, 11:45:12 am »
IMO, it's good for consumers in the long run...

because it makes people consider other options, which they previously haven't. And part of that is mind-set: there has been a period of computing history where people have been blinded and indoctrinated by a single vendor's solution and, by association, their views and model of computing which have been based more on how to extract maximum profits from their slaves customers than in providing them good products.

So not only does this encourage people to open their eyes and become aware of other options (and competition is a good thing), but it also makes them reconsider the whole philosophy of computing, and become more educated consumers, which is a good thing as they will make better choices.

A big part of this is Free Open Source Software (FOSS), which companies like Microsoft have been trying to poison people's minds against for more than a decade. FOSS is great for consumers, it's great for business, but it's bad for MS, Oracle, and their ilk.

So a greater awareness and understanding of FOSS is, IMO, a really good thing, even if people chose to not select it. As then, at least, it is a decision based on some knowledge rather than total ignorance.

For instances, a recent survey suggested that up to 11% of users who are still using Windows XP, are considering moving to Linux.

So as far as I'm concerned, the more MS screw things up and make people actually find out other options, the better.

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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2014, 01:55:03 pm »
Some of it is ok, but damn... why in the world do they hide everything.

I also found out that there are actually other partitions there. Found them with my Linux install and yes I have that new fuel injected bios or whatever the hell it is. Jeeze... I'll put that in the dual boot thread.

That classic shell looks good.... I've got to add something to get it to boot too! I'm on a page now named "7 ways to dual boot win8"   Can you believe that.... and they don't all work! .. and some change back!  To boot a computer!  come on...

Someone announced on the News yesterday they were moving to Linux.... I don't know if they were local or national.... only hear the end.

I honestly don't know what 8.1 did over 8. I thought 8.1 was the "ok we give up, you can have it your way" version. Man.... if 8.1 is the 'good xx--xx'.... I can't imagine what the problem was with 8.

...and am I right that no more user name.... you have to use an email?



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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2014, 03:20:50 pm »
...and am I right that no more user name.... you have to use an email?

It wouldn't surprise me, although the way to look at it is that it's an account which happens to be identified by an email address.

I can't be critical of that on the basis that's the way the world seems to be going. Google, for instance, does it: if you buy a Chromebook or an Android device you need a Google account to activate it. If you have an iPhone you need an iTunes account (and, in their case, a payment card registered too). It's how they manage to offer their cloud and account based services (App store, Play store, etc.). In this respect Microsoft are playing catch-up with everyone else.

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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2014, 03:50:41 pm »
Someone announced on the News yesterday they were moving to Linux.... I don't know if they were local or national.... only hear the end.

The City of Munich are the most famous example of someone who have done this. It took them the best part of 10 years to do it, because they had a lot of legacy to deal with.

A lot of companies are now in the situation where they have been nursing Windows XP environments, because the cost and disruption of upgrading to later versions was significant (and usually included hardware upgrades), and the benefits of doing so were negligible. In fact, in a lot of cases the main benefit was continued support.

That's coming to a head now that XP support is due to end very soon.

As much as a pain as it is as en end user upgrading to later versions of Windows, for an enterprise it's a nightmare. It's pretty much a fork-lift upgrade of their whole desktop and server environment, including most of the hardware, a lot of the applications and, of course, issues of training and application support and compatibility. It can easily cost a mid-sized Enterprise 10's of millions of dollars, and companies have to go through this every 7-10 years largely at Microsoft's whim.

City of Munich decided enough was enough, and wanted to take control of their own infrastructure. They concluded moving from Windows XP to Linux wasn't really any more painful or expensive than moving to Windows 7 would be. And now they are in control of their infrastructure. The upgrade path between versions of Linux aren't anywhere as near as drastic or disruptive as between Windows versions, and can be tested and rolled out in a controlled way and normally without any significant backwards compatibility. It has meant, for instance, the City of Munich have been able to go through a major upgrade cycle without having to change out most of the hardware.

And, because it's open source, they have actually been able to roll their own company-specific distro, with their own software repositories comprising of software they allow and have tested, and are willing to support. They effectively now have their own support and, hence, aren't as reliant on vendor support. They call the shots, not the vendors. A key quote that resonated with me is:

"One expense Hofmann said he doesn’t have with LiMux is support contracts. “What do you need a support contract for? You really get no support, you get new versions. The only reason you need it is because your lawyers tell you so they can have someone to blame if it is failing. We no longer blame anyone, we try to fix it,” he said.

If Munich’s IT staff can’t fix a bug themselves, they will find a specialist to solve the specific bug, Hofmann said. “You no longer rely on some vendor or some service that you buy. You rely on yourself and what you know,” he said."


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2082460/moving-a-city-to-linux-needs-political-backing-says-munich-project-leader.html

Microsoft and their cronies tried to spread some lies and FUD about the Munich project of course, but the reality is it appears to have been highly successful.

Now that XP is on it's way out, I can see why other companies are looking at the City of Munich example and considering it for themselves.

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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2014, 10:08:20 pm »
Ok,,, got a question.


I decided to re-install SolydK

You know how I said I think maybe GRUB is on teh USB stick? I think I might have done that by acident

Now grub is asking for a it's location.

I have these choices.

/dev/sda
/dev/sdb
/dev/sda1
/dev/sd1b


Ok he is what I have

/dev/sda1 is a tiny 300k FAT32 part... 200K free - no idea what it is
/dev/sda2 is Windows Bootloader NTFS 900K 45 free

have no idea what plain old /dev/sda or /dev/sdb is as I don;t see them

So should I aim /dev/sda2 -- The windows bootloader part?

I'm accepting best guess, sounds reasonable, the 8 Ball sez yez... or HELL NO don;t do that.

Can GRUB even go on an NTFS part???



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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2014, 12:05:16 am »
If you have a hard drive and a USB then one will be /dev/sda and the other /dev/sdb

As for grub, I'm assuming you are talking about the boot loader location. Normally this goes into a part of the disk known as the "MBR" or "Master Boot Record".

However, I think this is different with UEFI as there is something called "EFI", which at this moment I don't fully understand.

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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2014, 12:09:57 am »
I want to buy  Vowel!

Man... I have tried everything. I've got windows to where I can tap the ESC key and get the Boot loader.

BUT... I can't figure what it's supposed to load.

IOW, I figured a PATH out an it's at least knowing it's supposed to look but I seem to need the name of a file now.

I wonder if this part of the BitCoin thing... when you figure how to boot a new PC you get a BitCoin.

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Re: Windows 7 8 8.1 OS install Upgrade ISO help
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2014, 12:30:03 am »
I think I'm going to do what this guy says.... he is the person I have found that really sounds like he knows what he is talking about....

http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/

his reply(next to last)
http://askubuntu.com/questions/91437/uefi-hardware-and-dual-booting-with-windows

 described two problems I have seen in my install. the fact GRRUB won;t act right and the blinking cursor deal.... I think that was from point the 1st Boot to some place Grub didn't even exist. I deleted that entry.

It looks like to me I can put his files on my USB drive and get that to boot. Then boot into Solydk and try to run his files and hopefully that will do it.


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