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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2013, 06:24:16 pm »
I've had a quick listen, sounds really good. I'll try and play something with it, but if I get the balances right and the singing in tune we may not need anything else.

I see what you mean about the mistakes. Are you planning on re-recording it or can I just plough ahead with what I've got?

Regarding the vocal, by then I was getting frustrated and thought sod it, this is the last one, of course I started a bit too early.......

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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2013, 06:44:46 pm »
it's going to take couple days at least to get the arpeggio in decent shape, i'd rather you didn't use the take i have up in the final product, or in other words, these many mistakes can pile up pretty quickly once they are all put together in one place. if you're just experimenting on it, well thats what its for..... yah, i know what that's like.
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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2013, 06:52:35 pm »
Ok, no problem. I'll see what I can do with a second guitar arpeggio part and a lot of singing practice.


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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2013, 10:43:02 pm »
ok, i think this will avoid major trainwrecks. i think these are the same settings i used before. i have to have the mix before putting on the top track, or you could tell me how to do it myself.

https://soundcloud.com/user4528050/electric-one

https://soundcloud.com/user4528050/electric-two
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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2013, 08:03:14 am »
Hi Frances,

you may have seen some old films of witches stood around the cauldron chucking things in, that's how I got the original mix. I know I should write things down but I just listen and if it sounds awful it gets removed, if it sounds interesting it stays. Eventually I have a soup I like the taste of.

All you need to do is open up your DAW's box of tools, reverb, flanger, chorus, etc and have a play. I build up 5 or 6 tracks with one or two effects on each. With your two tracks I'll have, maybe, 6 tracks (3 of each) and get to work.

If it all sounds ok I'll put it up tonight. Once you get the top track done I'll start thinking about the drums. If you can think of a song with a drum pattern you think would suit it let me know. If we are going to start on beat 2 I think the toms will have to go. It would work with the emphasis coming on the word "The". Not sure if I've got the technique to pull that off. We will see.

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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2013, 04:47:45 pm »
Hi Frances,

here is the mix for the electric rhythm guitar. If you can record a version to go on top that would be good.

https://soundcloud.com/diademgrove/cynestasia-rough-electric-1/s-11o4A

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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2013, 08:54:08 pm »
Hi Diadem/Frances,

I know I'm late to the party, but if you fancy some Derbyshire twang on vocals (not that they're that good) - give me a shout.

Cheers,

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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2013, 09:34:54 pm »
Hi Digger,

if Frances has no objection it would be a relief. My singing is a moving feast, its getting closer to being in key most of the time, which is an improvement. Unfortunately I cannot it to sing the notes I want.

I'm really pleased with how the song's developing and it deserves a good vocal.

So that's a thumbs up from one of us.

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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2013, 06:08:00 am »
Sure digger, glad to have you.

for drums? maybe something like this?
https://soundcloud.com/user4528050/drum-snip




when i was recording the rhythm track my earbud fell out and bounced on the strings so i've uploaded that one because it makes me happy when that sort of thing happens. if it annoys just say so and i'll redo it.

https://soundcloud.com/user4528050/electric-earbud-incident


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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2013, 07:54:34 am »
Hi Frances,

I'll like to use the electric earbud track, but as a spice rather than the main course. Could you please re-do it.

I like the drums. It'll take me a while to sort out. It sounds complicated. I've only just got used to putting in 8th notes. If you could write out the count that would be really helpful.

Welcome aboard Digger. I decided the problem with the lyrics was my singing rather than getting them to rhyme. I do think we need an additional The Man in the suit, either after Yes that's right or if it doesn't scan properly before. The second My true love sleeps in grace is the intro to the electric violin. I also added My true love understands at the end of the last verse. I thought it sounded better when I sang it. Although if the words don't work when you trying singing them feel free to let us know.

I'll try and have another basic track up at the weekend to check our progress and for Digger to start playing around with the melody.

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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2013, 05:28:08 pm »
here is the rhythm. https://soundcloud.com/user4528050/rhythm


the drum goes - 8, 16,16,8, 16, 16,8,16,16,16,16,16,16.

or 1-, and a 2-, and a 3-,and a four e and a.

its easier to hit the key quickly if you stick out your elbows like you have bad table manners. i use my right hand keeping a steady eighth note beat and my left for those that fall between.
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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2013, 07:38:53 pm »
Thanks Frances,

I'll have a go at putting everything together over the next few days.

My health has taken a slight turn for the worse, something to do with the heat. I feel a bit better today but if I slow down a bit you'll know why.

I'll try getting the drums right. If all else fails I could just cheat and draw all the beats in. You still want me to start on beat 2?


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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2013, 08:26:25 pm »
What? start the drums on beat 2? (goes in reaper and moves drums) well, it sounds sort of cool but i like better the other way.......good, then maybe i'll be able to keep up with you. take care,
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Re: Help required.....
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2013, 09:53:01 pm »
What? start the drums on beat 2? (goes in reaper and moves drums) well, it sounds sort of cool but i like better the other way.......good, then maybe i'll be able to keep up with you. take care,

You suggested starting on beat 2 in an earlier post.

Thanks for the concern. I've lived with it for 5 years, its not going away and I've learned to do what it says, usually. So a bit of rest whilst waiting for the weather to break is in order.

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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2013, 07:35:48 pm »
I've had a lazy day and I'm fine. Its very hot though.

I'm off back to work tomorrow but should have something up over the weekend.

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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2013, 12:24:05 am »
cool, i played with an idea for the switchover to the noisy part but now realize that i was using guide mix two so we'll have to see if it works because i sort of like that little silence in the one with the vocals. do you sort of see what i'm trying to do? with taking the last chord and making it louder and more distorted.

https://soundcloud.com/user4528050/segue

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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2013, 07:24:00 am »
cool, i played with an idea for the switchover to the noisy part but now realize that i was using guide mix two so we'll have to see if it works because i sort of like that little silence in the one with the vocals. do you sort of see what i'm trying to do? with taking the last chord and making it louder and more distorted.

https://soundcloud.com/user4528050/segue

Hi Frances,

I think it works, but like you, also like the way the song stops with the repeat of the vocal over silence with the instrumental interlude emerging from the depths. In cinematic terms it would be the point were the shadow appears and the audience starts to get a little jittery.

Over the weekend I'll put together another rough mix, one with the silence and one without. Digger can then test his vocal against both and see which one he prefers singing over. Of course we could not repeat the refrain.

One of those circumstances where we'll know it when we hear it I suspect.

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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #67 on: July 20, 2013, 04:41:58 pm »
Its ok, I've slowed down and despite a break in the weather feel drained.

I have mixed my acoustic guitar and Frances' electric. I've included the electric violin break so we can see where everything fits. I'm happy with the mix, so please speak up if you don't agree. I intend to use this as the foundation on which to build up the final track.

This version is the one with the silence before the violin starts for Digger to repeat the last line of the refrain. I'll try and do the segue version either today or tomorrow.

I have added a drum count in for Digger so he knows when the verse and bridge start. This will be coming out together other bits of noise once we have the vocal.

The drums have caused me a problem they sound too busy. I did think about using the rhythm on the hi hats but I'm not a great fan of hats. I prefer crashes. Once we have agreement on the basic rhythm track I'll play around with the drums and put them up.

The bits we still need are;

vocal
Frances's guitar introduction
My arpeggio
Guitar over the violin
drums
bass for the bridge and last verse, and
guitar lines for the bridge and last verse.

I don't think we are that far away. What we have sounds sweet to me. Once we sort the drums the bass will follow. We have a rough version of Frances' guitar introduction and first two verses and I'll start practising the arpeggio later today.

Here's the link

https://soundcloud.com/diademgrove/cynestasia-towards-a-final-mix/s-C058G

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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2013, 08:25:04 am »
Hi Frances,

do you think you could use the most recent version of the rhythm demo to recreate what you did with the segue? Its seems a better solution than me trying to cut and past your segue with what I produced.

Thanks,

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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2013, 03:29:57 pm »
oh ,yeah.    is there going to be acoustic in the second part? with the electric so far to the front the percussive strikes are sort of distracting and unpleasant.   
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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2013, 03:53:00 pm »
Hi Frances,

I wasn't going to put any acoustic guitar on the bridge and last verse. I'll have a play and see what happens to the electric. I liked the percussive hits, but if you think there unpleasant I'll mask them with something else.

I've deleted towards a rough mix 1, it didn't have the drum count ins I mentioned, weird how that happened.


https://soundcloud.com/diademgrove/cynestasia-towards-a-final-mix/s-qLLsI

Let me know if there's any problem recreating the segue and I'll try and put it on here.

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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2013, 04:27:33 pm »
theres no problem recreating it, it's very straight forward. i'm just learning to use the envelope as i go, otherwise this would be done in like two seconds. (now why's it not working? oh yeah, the same reason it wasn't working last time. i'm a rote learner, can you tell? ::)
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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2013, 06:02:25 pm »
Hi Frances,

no I can't tell. I have a similar problem with this amber button. If its on the track doesn't mixdown. Stuff I think is there just isn't. It pops up know and again as if by magic. One day I'll try and learn what I'm doing.

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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #73 on: July 21, 2013, 07:24:38 pm »
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Re: Help required..(melody & chords)
« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2013, 10:19:25 pm »
so, heres what i've got.

https://soundcloud.com/user4528050/segue3

downloaded and I'll have a play tomorrow.

 

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