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CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« on: June 17, 2007, 12:09:42 pm »
Question for this lesson only.

Thanks.

J

Lesson Link: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/CH-006-BasicBarres.php
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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2007, 02:53:39 pm »
do u hav any ideas on hw i can get doing the bar chords propaly
fro about half a year iv been play teh major bar chord with my 1st, 2nd and 3rd fingers. and now i realise its wrong
can u tel me how to get out of the habbit and.......
hw to hold teh bar down more!

darkprophet

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2007, 02:59:45 pm »
Im comparing the the E shaped G barre chord with an open G chord and Im finding that the open chord is more lively than the G barre chord, the barre chord seems to be "creamier" so to speak...

Is that normal? Or does my technique need adjusting?

DP :)

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2007, 04:12:40 pm »
Hi DP

Well am not an expert but been playing for quite a while now and for me they both seems to be same.
I don't think that the open G is livelier, at least not that I can notice.

Well anyway if am wrong please guys let me know. :wink:

Cheers

.: JM :.

darkprophet

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2007, 04:35:00 pm »
thanks for the reply...

They dont sound tooo different, they are very similar, but the open chord seems to be livelier....Maybe Im not pressing hard enough on the higher strings, Ive always had trouble with them...

DP

Nolita

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2007, 08:39:14 pm »
No you're right.  I don't know if livelier's the right word.  But they definitely sound different.  I think it's because with the barre chord you're pressing down on every string.  With the open chord only 3 strings.  Take it from a G major barre to a G minor barre and it sounds different still.

Like you can still tell it's a G with all 3 versions, but somehow it's different.  With the G major you've got the barred off strings(well look at the pic), then the 3 extra strings, but then in the G minor the second finger slides up(well fingers aren't used the same, but where the second finger's holding slides up and becomes part of the barre).  

Speculating at this point...Root note stays the same.  It's the 6th string 3rd fret down for all three.  That's your G.  That's the main part of what the ear hears.  I'm guessing that some ears are more sensitive than others(some folks can't hear the difference between flat and sharp, is it sensitivity?).  You have sensitive ears, and long-run that's a good thing.  You'll hear the exact chord in a song when transcribing.  Instead of hitting the ballpark(yeah it's a G but which one?), ya know?

So rejoice!  It will be easier for you to transcribe songs on the radio and songs in your head :D.

Nolita

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2007, 08:41:29 pm »
Oh and if you weren't pressing hard enough the lighter strings would be muted.  If they're not muted you're pressing hard enough.  This is a "yay!" moment for you.  Bask in it.  Something tricky's coming next, then you can wallow in the "I'm a crappy guitar player" vibe.

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2007, 08:42:55 pm »
k hanx jst i think iv got rsi or sumting caus eiv got a sore wrist lol! oh wel my bad!

Nolita

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2007, 08:51:49 pm »
No-no!  Don't jump to that conclusion.  A sore wrist can just be a sore wrist.  Give it a rest and if it doesn't get better, see a doctor.  I was scared my calluses were nerve damage for goodness sake.  Massage it, take a pain reliever/anti-inflammitory, and give it a chance to get better.

Then when it feels better(sending positive vibes), here's how to hold the barre down easier.  Thread got semi-threadjacked there.  Just curve your barre finger a bit and press down on the side.  If you still can't muster a decent barre chord(apparently it's normal to miss a few notes at first), don't blame yourself or your wrist.  Get the guitar to a shop or someone who knows how to adjust it.  Might be the truss rod, bridge, or both needs adjusting.  The action on a guitar can be a persnickity thing.

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2007, 08:54:16 pm »
k its jst i was whatching this thing and it syas if u play teh bar chord in teh way i think i may hav been playion it  can get this thingy
and i really dont whatn it
an di play guitar way to much
i mean i can do a minor bar chord great in teh wrong way but stil sounds right
lol
but its not really that sore its jst iritating

jmarc

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2007, 08:58:47 pm »
Hi Nolita

I agree that maybe due to 'sensitivity' or whatever it may be, some people won't be able to tell the difference between the livelier G open chord
and the G barre chord. But a G minor chord definitely cannot sound the same as a G major chord since as their name says, one is a minor and the
other a major chord. And as far as I've noticed, minor chords tend to seem sad...

Now either am totally wrong and  didn't understand anything to chords, or I'm totally missing out or not understanding DP's question and your answer.

Cheers

.: JM :.

Nolita

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2007, 08:59:57 pm »
Yeah I'm still here(coffee break).  Don't worry.  Just follow Justin's lessons and you'll be fine.  The old way's yesterday.  Now you know what to do, you'll get better.  As soon as you nail a few E shapes, you'll be downright giddy:).

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2007, 09:01:21 pm »
k hanx
heres my you tueb thingy
ive got some gd vids if u want 2 se ethem lol
http://uk.youtube.com/profile?user=GetPunkedDude

Nolita

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2007, 09:03:45 pm »
jmarc, I think we're on the same page.  Cuz to me they all sound different.  All like G's but each has it's own personality.  Not sure but I think that's the point.  I mean why have 3 different chords if they all sound the same?  Wouldn't make sense to me and I'd just play all open chords.  Nope, they're definately different.  :) It's a good thing.

And sometimes we just want a lively/simple song, so all open chords + power chords, and maybe a major barre thrown in here or there.  It's all good :D.

Nolita

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2007, 09:28:35 pm »
Will try to watch again.  Didn't know the f-x one would be so full of effects.  Ears need to recover(not meaning to be harsh, I'm just not a huge fan of effects, well, okay so I love them in the hands of Hendrix or Frusciante, but in general, ya know?).  Will try again with the others later.

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2007, 09:30:25 pm »
lol its k i jst did it on teh 1 song lol

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2007, 08:17:34 pm »
DP - they will sound a little different - I think of all open chords as "jangley" they have more bright twang to them - that might be why you would choose one over the other - just cos you can play the barre chord does not mean that you always would - I often still use open chords!!

A sore wrist is often down to bad technique - but it sometimes can be just a bad wrist!!

Only you can tell. ;)

J
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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2007, 12:07:43 pm »
bad technique
lol
any help on that???????
plz cause i want 2 get back 2 guitar fast! =]

Nolita

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2007, 07:43:38 pm »
Do me a favor(btw, I like your Ziggy Stardust cover; am avoiding the word cute so as not to offend, but it is cute :P).  Okay back to the favor.  Just stand and play a 3 minute song facing the camera.  One song standing, another song sitting.  I'm sure folks will be able to spot areas where how you're holding the guitar could "improve" i.e. be more comfortable.  One thing I noticed in the vid with your friend(hope it's you on guitar, or this won't be called for).  You've got the guitar slung low.  It looks cool.  Yeah, it's that rock-star look.  But does it feel good?  When you get farther down the neck?  Doesn't it make your wrist start to smart?

If it doesn't you're lucky.  But it looks like it would hurt eventually.  It really does.  And I've seen guys with theirs even lower than yours, and it just looks painful.  Suffer for your art if you must.  But come on, hitch it up for practice at least.  :)

Ooh, just realized I sound harsh.  It's just that the guys who look like dorks, with their guitars higher up, don't complain about wrist pain.  Your shirt's untucked, so that means the strings are where?  Somewhere mid-thigh?  The top of the guitar(you know where the strap attatches?  forgot technical name) it's at your stomache(at least in the vid).  Get it up to your rib cage.  You can still look cool.  Women threw themselves at plenty of guys with their guitars hitched up a bit.  Apparently Hendrix needed a squeegie to get all the clamoring females off him.  His was at right around his ribs.  

Now if I was really motherly I'd take this time to yell at you to tuck your shirt in and drag a comb through your hair.  Get your hair out of your eyes, you have such lovely eyes, and your hair's always hanging down in them.  But I ain't motherly, so wear whatever you want however you want, and grow a beard as soon as you can.  Whatever you like :).

ejdg9

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2007, 11:40:10 pm »
when i play e type barre chords i can play them fairly well all over the neck of the guitar
but the first fret is beating me
i cant get the low e string to ring clearly
it is always buzzing no matter how hard i hold it

any tips on how to position my finger
or do i just have to wait for the strength to develop?

Nolita

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2007, 12:08:33 am »
Before blaming the guitar(my first reaction is, it's the guitar's fault; but sometimes it's our own, okay maybe most times), how do you hold your first finger?  I'm a weakling.  But if I curl my first finger a bit and press down with the side I can play a barre chord even on the first fret.  Curving it seems to give a bit more strength to the finger.

ejdg9

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2007, 09:43:35 pm »
ive tried curling it and keeping it straight
keeping it straight but at a bit of an angle

i dont think it is the guitar
there was a lot of fret buzz but i put bigger strings on it and it pulled the neck a bit
so now the strings arent buzzing
of course the neck may snap at any time but it makes for more exciting practice sessions

ive just tried it again and it is getting a bit better
now the second and third strings are buzzing
i must just need stronger hands

rstrickl

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2007, 02:58:43 am »
The F Chord lesson beginners...the first form you showed ...with the first two strings barred.....Is that an acceptable moveable form....example move the form up to the third fret with the first two strings barred keep the F shape does this become a G chord?  up to the 5th a A chord? It sounds close to the full barred version.

matt4d

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2007, 04:49:58 pm »
i have a question...

how do you know when to use a barre chord when reading from tab? I mean, i know that when it says 755xxx or 'A5' i have to play an A
power chord. What will it say when it wants an A barre chord to be played?                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
thankyou...

ps - oh and how do i know when to use a minor or a seventh or a minor seventh barre chord? :)
pps - and i hope my little tab thing is correct  :roll:

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Re: CH-006 • Basic Barre Chords (incl. all four vid lessons)
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2007, 07:55:52 am »
Quote from: "ejdg9"

i dont think it is the guitar
there was a lot of fret buzz but i put bigger strings on it and it pulled the neck a bit


the action might just be a little high so you need super strong grip to hold it down... just a guess but i think you will get there with a little more work!

J
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