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Offline Lukas

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2013, 11:24:06 am »

My long term goal (5 years) is to have a youtube channel with at least 10 songs created by me, and my short term goal (1 Year) is to at least create 1 song. But the problem is that I want to create progressive fingerstyle songs (Candy rat).
Am I on the right path or I need to change somethings?

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If you want to be able to play fingerstyle, learn by playing simple fingerstyle tunes. All the things you have in your schedule are great, but I doubt that you would be able to play fingerstyle in one year based on your schedule.

You have a clear goal - that's great. Now you have to make your practice routine lead you toward that goal.

A short while ago I wrote an article about this same topic, check it out if you like.
http://theaspiringguitarist.net/guitar-practice

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2013, 07:48:00 pm »
Justin,

I'm an adult student.  Been playing about 2 years.  I pretty much still suck.  My goals are:

1.  To play fun BBQ songs for my family and friends.
2.  To play classic rock cover songs just for fun and maybe play with some other musicians.
3.  To play finger style guitar by myself....kind of be a one man band...

What lessons / courses should I be taking in order to reach these goals.  So far I'm in the beginner course around stage 3.  I have the song book and just ordered the RUST DVD. 

I'm all ears.

Thanks,

Chris

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2013, 12:53:47 am »
All of them. Justin's course isn't designed as a pix n mix approach.

Start at the beginners course, if you've got basic strumming skills and open chords, it own't take that long. All the works been done for you. Follow it, and learn as many songs as time allows.

The songbook is a very good learning tool, and regardless of what lesson stage you're at, you might find your playing skills are ahead or behind of the stage you're on.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 01:48:20 am »
Hi Chris,

My understanding is that while the principles in this lesson are general, it is aimed mainly at people who are at a 'player' level, rather than those still following the Beginner / Intermediate courses (like you and me! :) - I'm at about level 3-4 Intermediate).

I think that everything is taken care of for us in the Beginner / Intermediate courses through the practice routines recommended at each stage of the courses. Just stick to those. Finishing the BC will bring you close to your goals IMHO, certainly for the BBQ songs, then you might want to move on to the Intermediate & Folk fingerstyle modules and/or the Solo Blues songs for example.

I am also an 'adult student'  (:o) who has tried to teach himself for years, and I would say that the BC is excellent - it brings results better than everything else I've ever found. Stick with it, and do everything Justin says (even the boring stuff!), and you will be amazed by your progress.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 12:17:00 pm »
Thanks for the great advice.  I will stick with my plan of following the basic and intermediate courses.  After that I will go to the fingerstyle course while I continue to improve my song list.  Thanks again!

Chris

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2013, 04:23:32 pm »
As a beginner for 5 years!!
I think the biggest problem is exactly what is being discussed here.
I have just watched the 1st two videos of the "what to practice" series and it is great if you are an intermediate or above guitarist, and actually know what you need to learn to progress and achieve your goals.
As a beginner, you DON'T know these things. That is why I just bought the beginner pack.
I have tried to learn by myself and struggled, I got a teacher who was a great guitarist but would ask "what do you want to learn today?" at the start of the lesson. If I knew what I should learn, I wouldn't have paid him, and learnt from the internet for free.
I had one great teacher who had a structured lesson plan for his students. I progressed more in 3 months than the previous 3 years. Unfortunately I changed jobs an work evenings now and he can only teach in the evenings so I had to stop.

Basically I think that a beginner/early intermediate guitarist needs to be asked what his/her goals are and TOLD what to do to achieve them.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2013, 05:04:59 pm »
Basically I think that a beginner/early intermediate guitarist needs to be asked what his/her goals are and TOLD what to do to achieve them.

Assuming that the overall goal is to learn to play the guitar, that's all you need to worry about to start with. IMHO detailed goals don't matter too much for the Beginner & Intermediate Foundation module - Pretty much everyone will have to go through these courses and the practice routines are set at every stage - just need to work through the courses and follow the recipe.

To my mind, anyway, detailed goal setting only becomes relevant at/after this stage where the range of possibilities is huge. If there are Intermediate Style modules relevant to those goals (Folk Fingerstyle / Blues / etc.) then again, the practice routines are laid out.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2013, 08:26:40 pm »
A lot of guitarists don't seem to appreciate rhythm guitar playing. Music consists of Melody, Harmony and Rhythm. What is most usually referred to as rhythm is in fact two thirds of that equation because the chords that make up most rhythm guitar parts are also the harmonic content. Rhythm guitar can (in the form of arpeggios) also involve melody.

Van Halen and Hendrix are/were excellent rhythm players and have/had a wide ranging knowledge of chords that enabled them to shape songs.

Don't underestimate the value of knowing chords and the different ways to play them.

My own practice regime is split into Rhythm/Repertoire/Theory/Harmony/Melody. The future repertoire tends to dictate what aspect of the others will be worked on.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2014, 06:05:00 pm »
My goal i to become a instrumental Rock guitarist like Steve Vai/Joe Satriani. But with My own unic voice.

So im not sure really what to practice ?

My practice shedule looks like this:

Teknik : scale up and down, sweeping shape, sequnce picking, and a new sweeping shape.( 5min per exercice)

Learn new: guitar homework (10 min), ensemble in My school (10 min) ( total 20 min )

Transcribe: 20 min ex Steve Vai Songs or training My ears with intervall and rythmic imitations

Repouta: Learning songs, ensemble in school or Steve Vai songs ( 20 min )

Jamming: ( 20 min backingtracks, own musik or GarageBand and play rythm patterns )

Teknik: finger gym 4 min, chord changes 4 min, duraion work out ( rythm exercice )

So what do you guys/girls thinks is it something that miss ? Give me alot off feedback and tips if i should practice something Else or remove something from My practice routine. By the way i have problem with My rythm so maybe i should fokus more on that ?

Please give alot of advice and feedback :) !

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2014, 06:27:01 pm »
Without knowing how long you've been playing and what level your at it hard to help you with your
practice routine.

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By the way i have problem with My rythm so maybe i should fokus more on that ?

Without being a solid rhythm player you'll never be a great lead player. Have you ever jammed with one
of those annoying people who think they are great lead players but can't carry a tune in a bucket?

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2014, 01:10:41 am »
Learn songs. And rhythm. Lead is just the filler in between what people actually want to hear. Lead is all about what the player wants to hear. As much as Vai tries, they are not songs. I think the only people that go to Vai gigs are other players...

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2014, 05:43:50 pm »
Ok thanks for your answers !    ;)

But if i having trouble with My rythm what kind of exercices should i do to improve my rythm then ? And how should i divide my practice shedule ?

I mean i have a litle rythm for kind of easy and medium class.

I have been playing for 3 years and i can play solo pretty good but as you mentioned you need to have a good rythm also.

Im in school so i don't have all the time to practice either so i don't really know how i should divide it ?  :-\

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2014, 06:15:20 pm »
Sound like your already pasted the Beginner Course. Try the Intermediate Course.
There is Rhythm lesson in every stage. Do the whole course even the stuff you already know.

http://justinguitar.com/en/IM-000-IntermediateMethod.php

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2014, 12:00:19 am »
Ok i will finnish the intermediate course and practice evrything even the things i all reade know !

But how long should i stay on each stage if i know most of the things there? :)


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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2014, 12:13:46 am »
You just need to make sure you haven't skipped anything and that you are actually up to snuff on the stuff you think you already know. Be honest with yourself. In fact, record yourself and listen back to what you sound like. Don't believe your ears while you are playing; believe them while you are listening.
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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2014, 01:51:35 am »
Ok i will finnish the intermediate course and practice evrything even the things i all reade know !

But how long should i stay on each stage if i know most of the things there? :)

It never hurts to revisit things you know. You can pick up stuff you missed and learn stuff you didn't
know existed.
You only need to stay with the things you don't know. If you already have one thing down pat you
don't need to redo it but if it's new or you not up to snuff practice until it clean.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2014, 01:55:46 am »
Also, bear in mind that knowing how to do something, and being able to do it are two very different things. Just knowing how isn't enough. I know how to play cricket, but that doen't mean you'd want me on your team.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2014, 02:13:48 am »
Thumbs up on that one Brad.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2014, 01:24:55 am »
Hey guys just registered to this forum. I played guitar for 1 year and a half or so and I pretty got the basic technique down and good enough finger movement to play fast pieces. The things is that I never thought about the music theory that I just started on the beginner course. I'm having a little trouble with recognizing the chords by ear that it's taking me sometime to move on to the next phase. I've always been bad at memorizing stuff but I'm not sure if it's relevant to my inability to how the chords sound.

Let's get to the main point:
I actually want to make my own original song consisting of guitar, bass, and drum and decided to study music theory using justin's courses. But the problem is that I just have no idea how to set up a schedule for me to go about achieving this goal.

Can anyone give me some advices?

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2014, 02:10:15 am »
Justin course is basic music theory. I'd suggest you need far more playing experience and theory background before you can work towards your goal. Knowing chords by ear and transcribing songs from ear, would be a good place to start.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2014, 02:30:41 am »
Yeah but what I want to know is the detail. Like I heard that when you play/compose song, you need to find out what key the song is going to be in.

1. How do we find out what key the song is in?
2. How do we know which notes/chords we can use so that it won't sound wrong if I use the wrong ones?

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2014, 02:36:09 am »
If you don't know the answers to that question, you're not ready to write songs and play other instruments to them.

Keys chosen often depend on the vocals. Some people change the key of a given song they're learning to suit their ability to sing it.

Chord progressions are groups of chords that work well together. You need to know how and why, as that's part of what makes music work.

This is why you need to understand theory. Buy Justin's Practical theory book and work from there.

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2014, 02:51:59 am »
I'll definitely check out Justin's theory book. I would like to ask one last question.

If the song is in the key of A major and I decided to use the pentatonic scale, I need to use the A major pentatonic scale for the lead part right? My question is

1. Do we have to start from the root A or can we just start somewhere else?
2. Do we have to come back to the root of A at some point while playing or right at the end?

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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2014, 01:52:37 pm »
Yeah but what I want to know is the detail. Like I heard that when you play/compose song, you need to find out what key the song is going to be in.

1. How do we find out what key the song is in?
2. How do we know which notes/chords we can use so that it won't sound wrong if I use the wrong ones?

That stuff is too involved to go into in a forum post.

What you're asking about is a different skill set than playing the guitar. Someone could be a great guitar player and not know the first thing about composing, while someone else is a great composer and not be able to play any instrument with any proficiency.

You need to get a good book (or two) on music theory (Justin's may or may not be 'deep' enough for what you want, I haven't seen it - but being as the title is 'Practical' music theory, I suspect not). Then get some books and watch/read lessons on songwriting. Once you've done that, you practice like anything else - in this case you practice writing songs. Your first ones will probably be terrible, but keep at it and they'll get better.

Oh, and you also have to know enough about bass and drums to put them into your pieces effectively as well. Doesn't mean you have to be able to physically play them, but you do need to know how they are played. If you're doing all the recording or composing via computer yourself, you need to know how to record and work with the audio software, too.
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Re: PC-102 • Decide What To Practice
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2014, 07:02:00 pm »
Thanks for the reply. But what's with those people who say they don't really know any music theory yet they can play in the band with others? Are they just playing by ear and try out different chords which might sound somewhat good to make a harmony?

 

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