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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 09:10:13 pm »
Justin suggests using a D D D U D(Right?) strumming pattern, but it doesn't sound right when I do it.
If someone can give me the layout along side the chords for the verse I'd appreciate it.
I must have watched the video dozens of times, but I can't figure it out.

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2012, 06:54:29 am »
I must have watched the video dozens of times, but I can't figure it out.


Seriously - listen to the lesson rather than watching it.

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2012, 07:58:36 am »
Justin play's a somewhat improvised 16th note strumming on this song. If you want to play this with 8th note strumming and the pattern you mentioned, you may need to count along:

D d Dud
1 2 3&4

And you can tag on another up-stroke at the end (D d Dudu). Naturally this won't really sound like him or the record. For that to happen you need to play it at least with 16th note strumming. Here's a pattern that would work for much of the song, just to get you started:

D d D duD d D | duD d D duD d D du
1 & 2 &a3 & 4 | &a1 & 2 &a3 & 4

This song has a lot of "groove" to it. To pick that up, it's a good idea to play along with Justin. That way you can also pick up some of the little details he puts in there to make it more interesting.

If the 16th note strumming is a bit too much for now, just use the 8th note strumming for now, it's sound fine. And once you've learned more intricate strumming techniques, you can always come back and "spice it up".

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2012, 07:04:30 pm »
jacksroadhouse, Thank you for the usual info.
I'm going to practice it with 16th note strumming and the pattern you mentioned.

close2u, sorry, I didn't know that I had to listen too ::)
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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2012, 09:08:00 pm »
Can someone help me and let me know if I'm changing chords at the correct time during the verse.

D = Dm in the following, so it can fit to make it readable.

Verse:
C C C CCD D D |  DDG G G GGG GG GG
D d D duD d D | duD d D duD d D du
1 & 2 &a3 & 4 | &a1 & 2 &a3 & 4

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2012, 10:14:32 pm »
I just had a look at the video, and I took start of the verse sequence. It's actually not that difficult to bring the chords and the strum pattern together, you just need to count it right. Usually you'll be changing chords right on the beat, so the down-stroke on the beat (on the number) is the first stroke to hit the new chord. Hence it's a good idea to make a little adjustment to the way I separated the two measures, just to make it easier to digest:

This: 1 & 2 &a3 & 4 | &a1 & 2 &a3 & 4
becomes this: 1 & 2 &a3 & 4 &a| 1 & 2 &a3 & 4

The way I wrote it would indicate "pushes" (chord changes made early), and that's probably a bit confusing for now.

If you have a "split measure", which means two chords in one measure (in this case both being played for two beats), you would play the pattern like this:

Chord sequence: C Dm Em F (2 beats each = 2 measures total)

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C       Dm      |Em      F
D d D duD d D du|D d D duD d D du
1 & 2 &a3 & 4 &a|1 & 2 &a3 & 4

So, when Justin speaks of "2 beats", it's the way I just wrote it down. If it's "1 measure", it's simply 4 beats.

One more thing: as a beginner (and even if you're not) you'll probably have a really hard time changing chords on a 16th note at mprmal tempo. It's okay to start the change a little early, in which case you're either strumming open strings or muted strings during the change (not deliberate, it just happens). The all-important thing is that the chord is in place on the beat. It's better to start early than to finish late. If your chord changes are (inadvertantly) trailing, it will be rather noticeable.


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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2012, 12:35:17 am »
Thanks for clearing it all up.
It makes a lot more sense now and I was actually way off...

btw, would 60BMP be a good tempo to practice 16th note strumming or should I start slower?

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2012, 07:51:07 am »
When you're starting out with 16th note strumming I'd say play as slow as necessary to make you feel (by and large) comfortable.

Once you feel confident with the hand movement, the accenting and such, click up the metronome to get just slightly outside your comfort zone. Practice. Repeat.

Okay, when I started out I didn't use a metronome at first, I just practiced the movement at a speed that felt comfy. But later on I did use the metronome (nowadays a little drum machine) to avoid bad habits.

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 02:44:01 am »
This song has been a long work in progress for me*. I found the strum pattern quite tricky, as well as the F chord changing. It's coming together now, still got a way to go, but the net throws up a range of strumming pattern and I've gone with a hybrid of them that sounds good and works for me.

The difficulty in listening to Dylan is trying to pick out the guitar, it's back in the mix and the bass and organ tend to overwhelm it.

*It's funny how this goes. I thought I'd have a go at Times Like These last night and apart from the odd intro which will need work, I got the rest right off the bat.

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 10:33:39 am »
Is there a chance to find this video somewhere? Would be really appreciate it. Cheers

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2013, 12:16:14 pm »
@Toshiro,  Sorry, I don't think so.  The lawyers made Justin take it down.
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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2013, 12:37:34 pm »
There are others available on the net. Marty Schwarz has one.

Such is the piecemeal approach lawyers take to these things.

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2013, 04:58:21 pm »
@Toshiro,  Sorry, I don't think so.  The lawyers made Justin take it down.

Yes but i found other two on vimeo ( knockin on heavens door and blowin in the wind).

Can someone upload it on some filesharing site, just to download it?

Didn't need it to be justin himself ;).

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2013, 05:00:16 pm »
Yes but i found other two on vimeo ( knockin on heavens door and blowin in the wind).

Can someone upload it on some filesharing site, just to download it?

Didn't need it to be justin himself ;).

@Toshiro,  Sorry, I don't think so.  The lawyers made Justin take it down.

They will be on Vimeo against Justin's wishes and without consent.

We do not condone or encourage file sharing of resources Justin does not / can not give away freely.

So the answer must be no to that.

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2013, 05:01:56 pm »
There are others available on the net. Marty Schwarz has one.


I was watching Marty version, but also would like to see Justin version. Don't want to argue which one is better, but would like to see both version.

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2018, 08:29:29 pm »
Any chance to get this lesson?

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Re: BS-609 • Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2018, 09:32:09 pm »
Any chance to get this lesson?

You won't see any Bob Dylan lesson on Justin's site. Even though Justin was paying
Royalties Dylan's lawers told Justin to take down the lesson videos. So Bob is gone
for good.

 

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