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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2014, 06:48:37 pm »
Sometimes I like to use triads instead full barre chords. Is this okay? I use my thumb to mute strings 6 and 5 and my third finger to mute the fourth.
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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2014, 07:16:48 pm »
Yes.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2015, 01:53:24 pm »
I'm really struggling with using the palm mute Justin recommends when playing triads. I see I'm not the only person. Is it ok to just play with the tip of the relevant left hand finger muting the string above and the left hand thumb muting the thickest string?

I'd like to learn to do it the 'proper' way. Does anyone have any tips on hand position and how to palm mute effectively here too please? (I've watched the video in both the intermediate course and the three part older lessons).

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2016, 11:39:52 pm »
For the g major triad is it acceptable to use your 3rd finger instead of the 2nd or is that considered bad technique? I can do it with my 2nd, but it definitely will take more practice than if I just used my 3rd finger which feels more comfortable.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2016, 02:26:53 am »
Not sure which you mean.  The three shapes are 1 E shape, 2 D shape, and 3 A shape.  They are the top three notes of the open E, D and A chord respectively.

I assume you are talking about shape 1.  You can do anything want, but

1 - the fingers shown match those used if you are playing a full barre chord version of the E shape.
2 - generally avoiding doing things ONLY because they are harder is a bad habit to get into and can lead to issues down the line.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2017, 06:16:43 pm »
crlozano12, you are probably not struggling with this any longer as I am writing this several months after your last post.  But I was having exactly the same issue as you:  I could only get the shape 1 major triad correct if I used my 1st and 3rd fingers rather than 1st and 2nd that Justin recommends.  The B string was always muted.  But I eventually figured out what I was doing wrong, so I am posting this in case anyone else comes along and has the same issue. 

I figured out that I was barring the wrong way with my first finger.  I was initially rolling my first finger a bit toward the fret and toward my middle finger.  This closed down my grip and put my 3rd finger in a better position than my 2nd finger to fret the G string.  Eventually I figured out that I needed to roll my 1st finger the other way: away from the fret and toward my thumb.  This opened up my grip and allowed me to get the 2nd finger placed properly on the G string. 

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2017, 03:17:33 pm »
I have just finished this lesson.

I'm not sure it was mentioned but IMO it is recommended taking this lesson after going through the "Practical Music Theory" and "Chord Construction Guide" books. I did and it is very helpful.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2018, 04:12:26 am »
What is the fingering for the A shape triad on the 2-3-4 strings?   If I use the fingering taught by Justin for the open A chord, I have trouble fitting my fingers in the higher,smaller frets.  Using the second,third and fourth fingers is better but not great.  Is barring the three strings recommended?


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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2018, 07:27:08 am »
What is the fingering for the A shape triad on the 2-3-4 strings?   If I use the fingering taught by Justin for the open A chord, I have trouble fitting my fingers in the higher,smaller frets.  Using the second,third and fourth fingers is better but not great.  Is barring the three strings recommended?

For that particular triad I usually bar the strings, but it depends on where I come from on the neck or where I am going to next.
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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2018, 06:27:23 pm »
For that particular triad I usually bar the strings, but it depends on where I come from on the neck or where I am going to next.
I bar the three strings with my index finger.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2018, 07:59:17 pm »
I bar the three strings with my index finger.

 You can also use your ring finger. Again, it depends on how/what you are playing before and after that particular chord.
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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2018, 01:04:01 pm »
I've just seen the old "I shot the sheriff" videos that Justin did as a good song to play with triads. I've been struggling with these a bit. I know them and i want to use them more as i think its a good way to learn the fret board, but I've been having a hard time putting them into practice. I've tried applying them to some songs I know but they don't sound great. Has anyone got any suggestions for songs to try with triads both on strings 1,2,3 and 2,3,4.
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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2018, 03:15:22 pm »
@ Garfield

Triads came up in a recent jazz video Justin did.
The advice given there was start with one shape and stick with it through a chord progression, even if this involves big movements along the neck.
To use it in a meaningful way along the lines you are thinking, you need to know the major and minor triad shapes.

For any song you know, literally any, that involves only major and minor chords, play arpeggiated triads on three strings only, up and down the neck, using only one shape for major and one for minor.
Let's say you know a song:
Verse: C. G. Am F
Chorus: C. F. G
etc

Play along with it with arpeggiated triads.
Assuming the rhythm is 4/4 play four notes per bar.
Choose a picking pattern and stick to it at first.
Perhaps lowest note to highest (=3) then back down one note.
Later you may want to vary it.
Maybe targeting the root note (if it isn't the lowest note of the triad shape) first.
Use all the same shape for major chords and the related shape for minor chords.

Repeat for a different triad shape on the same strings.
You should be able to follow je three shapes for any group of three adjacent strings.
Once this becomes comfortable stretch yourself by trying to mix and match triad shapes to go along with the progression but without moving so far along the he neck.

If you start with strings 1,2 and 3 then move to strings 2,3 and 4.

After which you should have six major and six minor shapes.
This will allow you to play along with the chord progression with very little lateral movement along the neck.

Rinse and repeat for other chords in other keys.

Try this with lots of songs that you already know.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2018, 06:02:23 pm »
Mararitaville by Jimmy Buffett. You can play the whole song using triads.
It's easy to play along with the record and good practices using all the different
shapes. Watch live versions on youtube and play along with the steel drums

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2018, 08:45:29 pm »
Thanks guys. I get what I should be doing from the vids, it just doesn't seem to be sounding very good with the songs I know. I'll try apegiating them as up till know I've been strumming. I'm going to start I shot the sheriff tonight as that looked loads of fun in the video. Margaritaville is a good shout as well. I guess I was wondering if there are songs or genres of music that use triads a lot. It seems it they work well for reggae.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2018, 08:49:18 pm »
I also use the backing tracks from the blues rhythm course. I find it easier as there are only three chords each time.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2018, 09:10:07 pm »
Just did a search and found this as result 1 …

it has all the diagrams on all adjacent string sets for major and minor triads …
it has suggestions for how to practice …
it has some cool sound samples …


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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2018, 09:57:12 pm »
Thanks close that is useful. Good tip jono I've got some of Justin's blues backing tracks I might try coming along to them as you say they're just three chords.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2020, 05:59:45 pm »
Hi Guys I’m having a go at some triad chord shapes.

The suggested fingering for Major triad 1 is shown as first finger mini barre on strings 1&2, second finger on string 3 next fret up.
The fingering for Minor triad 1 is shown as first finger mini barre strings 1,2,3.
I’m playing a song that goes from G to Am. If I barre strings 1,2,3 with my first finger with my second finger on string 3 one fret up, I can then simply slide up from G to Am with my first finger and lift my second finger off string 3. (wow that was hard to put into words!).

Is this ok? Is there a reason I should stick to the suggested shape?
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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2020, 08:29:30 pm »
Where you are move by from and where you are moving to can definitely determine your fingering choices.
Your your suggestion works for you so why not.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2020, 09:54:29 pm »
Your your suggestion works for you so why not.
Thanks Richard. I was just worried in case there was something ‘round the corner’ that might catch me out later.   
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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2020, 11:15:17 pm »
Hi Guys I’m having a go at some triad chord shapes.

The suggested fingering for Major triad 1 is shown as first finger mini barre on strings 1&2, second finger on string 3 next fret up.
The fingering for Minor triad 1 is shown as first finger mini barre strings 1,2,3.
I’m playing a song that goes from G to Am. If I barre strings 1,2,3 with my first finger with my second finger on string 3 one fret up, I can then simply slide up from G to Am with my first finger and lift my second finger off string 3. (wow that was hard to put into words!).

Is this ok? Is there a reason I should stick to the suggested shape?


Nothing wrong with doing it that way but I would play the G the way you are and for
Am I use my ring finger to barre the eBG strings at the 5th fret.
Less movement of your hand, just moving one finger.
Unless you want to slide into the Am which also adds some color to your playing.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2020, 07:36:00 am »
Nothing wrong with doing it that way but I would play the G the way you are and for
Am I use my ring finger to barre the eBG strings at the 5th fret.
Less movement of your hand, just moving one finger.
Unless you want to slide into the Am which also adds some color to your playing.
Thanks for that stitch. Clearly there is room for more ‘interpretation’ of finger use here than there was in earlier stages of the course.
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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2020, 08:41:41 am »
Sairfingers

I've been working on G B e Triads myself so you may find this useful. I pulled it together into one diagram showing each chord within the Major scale, in this case A. At the moment to truly memorise the shapes, I have been playing each interval up the scale, linking each of the "clusters" together. So from the A in the 2nd/2nd/Open fret I play each chord stopping at the A at 14th/14th/12th. The plan is then to memorise the patterns going from 12th to Open.



Fingering wise I started with the positions I learnt a good while back in the Intermediate but have adjusted them intuitively to minimise movement. So like Stitch I'll barre the 5th fret with my ring finger.

And to really in grain these shapes and positions I am working through the BC app and substituting triads for open chords. I've just started that over the last few days and just working on A & D at the moment.
I'll pick a song and apply the triads in the first 4 frets, then the middle cluster then the next above the 9th. Then jump positions which is kinda sloppy at the moment but getting there.

Also building a diagram for E A D,  A D G and D G B but that's work in progress as the examples I have are all Gs and not intervals within a scale. If I could find these three string groups on Fretjam, that's where the above was sourced, I'll use them as they are likely to be in interval tones.............. hopefully.

Anyway hope the diagram helps.

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Re: IM-151 • Triad Chord Grips
« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2020, 08:47:50 am »
@sairfingers, @Toby

Just a little reminder of this thread ... triads, chord tones, scales, caged shapes, improv etc.

https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=44991.0

 

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