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Offline close2u

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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2017, 06:44:23 am »
@ batwoman

In general, the high note is the least important to have ring out - for now. Concentrate fully on getting Root plus the 3-barre notes ringing clean and true. And shifting between this chord shape up / down / after / before open & other barres etc.
This usage will help your 3rd (or even your 4th which I frequently use to barre on the A-shape) working properly. Then, in time, you will find it easier to begin to get that high note ringing out..
If the high note is vital to the sound you're after, ditch the barre shape and play as a four string chord with index on thin e string, then the 3-together and mute A / E strings.

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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2017, 06:45:21 am »
Part of my problem is that I get so disgusted with myself when I don't get a good sound first try, so I have a hissy fit and stop trying. Yeah, yeah I know I've got to persevere  :)
 
I'm wondering if any of you have found ways of gently making the finger joints more flexible?
1) That always makes me giggle :)
2) Try putting your fretting fingers flat on the table and gradually tilt your hand upwards keeping your fingers flat, then when you can't go any further let your finger joints flex. Next make a claw shape and gradually try to get you finger tips to touch your big joint with your palm.
Those are exercises I do to help with early stages of arthritis, they work OK for me.
This is a bit more detailed:
http://www.healthline.com/health/osteoarthritis/arthritis-hand-exercises#treatments2
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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2017, 03:47:51 pm »
I agree with close. The e string is the least important note in the A shaped barre chord.
You 'll find the better you get at playing the guitar the less strings you'll use when playing.
What I mean is once you start learning chord invertions and playing up the neck you'll find
less is more and sounds sweeter.

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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2017, 03:30:53 am »
Thanks very much Close, Darrell and stitch. Your advise and comments have helped a lot. Most of all I need to persevere, doing a little bit every day. I also need to be patient with myself on the days it doesn't sound as good as I expect. Like the tortoise, I'll keep plodding along till I reach my prize.

Stitch it's interesting you mention inversions. I have 25 of the little darlings to learn. There's a D7 on the 10th fret that has completely defied me to get any sound other than plunk, plunk, plunk.

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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #79 on: September 23, 2017, 01:27:08 am »
Strangely enough, when playing the A shaped bar chord my pinky ends up muting the high E string. The flesh near the base of my pinky (near the hand) inadvertently touches the string. How do you keep it out of they way? Sometimes I find it comfortable to overlap it with the ring finger, but I don't see anyone else doing it that way. Is that a bad habit I should be avoiding?

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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2019, 05:52:44 pm »
I’m finding this chord shape easier if I use fingers 1 and 4 rather than 1 and 3. If I continue playing it this way will this cause an issue/problem/difficulty in the future?
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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2019, 07:56:36 am »
@ sair

I use 1 and 4 often, 1 and 3 also.
With 1 and 4 you can't ever play the chord and add on a sus4 or a high e string 7 but it is fine in most circumstances.

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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #82 on: April 09, 2019, 01:07:05 pm »
Thanks for that close. I’ll persevere with fingers 1 and 3 then. I don’t want to compromise things later on and have to relearn the chord shape. The 1 and 4 can be an extra.
I’m probably getting ahead of myself as I’m currently consolidating the beginners course and intend sticking at that for a while yet before getting stuck into the intermediate course. The overlap is the fact I need Bm for a lot of the songs I like, so I thought I’d give the A major shape a go at the same time as the minor shape.
To quote your mantra I’m busy learning songs, songs, songs!
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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #83 on: April 09, 2019, 04:49:03 pm »
Until you get the A and Am shaped barre chords down.
You can play the B and Bm at the 7th fret E shape barre chord.
Just move the F chord up to the 7th fret and play the minor shape.
I'm assuming you can play the F barre chord.

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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #84 on: April 09, 2019, 05:04:00 pm »
I'm assuming you can play the F barre chord.
Oh stitch! Don’t you remember? It was your tips that got me playing barre F.
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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #85 on: April 09, 2019, 05:45:29 pm »
Just following up on whether you followed my advice or not.  ;)


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Forget high E...muted B string is what I have trouble with
« Reply #86 on: July 04, 2019, 10:46:39 pm »
Hi, I have a challenge I haven’t seen anyone mention: muted B string (NOT the high E).

I find it almost funny that not having to let the high E ring out is a revelation for so many....I can’t seem to fret this barre shape without it ringing! Rather, the challenge I have is consistently getting the *B string* to sound. It’s a problem because it is very much needed in the chord (example, B major chord, B D# F#, is x B F# B D# x with the high E muted, you need the B string to be an D# at the 5th fret. Otherwise it’s just a B5, no major third).

I suspect it may be because I have small hands (mens size 7.5 gloves) and so my ring finger may be shorter than average...which, perhaps lets the high E ring out, but also means it is hard to cover all 3 strings with just the first segment. Also the action on my GS Mini is a bit high right now (8/64 at 12th fret...I’m awaiting a neck reset) so that probably doesn’t help.

I’ve tried snugging my finger closer to the fret and angling it away towards the nut, neither of which helped. What seems to work best is consciously focusing on slightly rocking my ring finger back not to apply more pressure, but to distribute it more towards the B (vs the D). Definitely have work to do in making it unconscious (i.e. automatic). And it’s subtle - can’t be too much or then the D string gets muted....
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Re: IM-131 • A Shape Major Barre Chord Grip
« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2019, 02:24:02 am »
...and I see that Justin suggested exactly that (bring the ring finger knuckle down a bit from being bent back too much...)...it’s just buried towards the end of the video, at around 12:55. Kinda think this deserves at least as much focus as whether the high E string is muted or not, since that doesn’t really matter from a chord purity sake. (It’s still the chord, albeit different sounding, if the high E isn’t there...but it’s not, if the B isn’t).

 

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