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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2012, 02:34:30 am »
Yeah, it's weird. As you keep doing it, you find yourself eventually just tapping it the rhythm without even realizing it, or even trying. Trust me. I have always had absolutely no rhythm at all, so it's weird to me to suddenly realize that I am tapping along sometimes.

The neat part about it is that it is teaching you to internalize the rhythm instead of having it as something just out there in the song to keep up with. It's not about your foot at all really, it's about making you the metronome.

Eventually it's not something you try to do, or want to do, or need to do. It's just something you do without realizing it.

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2013, 02:39:37 pm »
Does anyone know what speed we should be going up to on the metronome for this?
I can go up to 90 without issues, slowing working up towards 100.

I dont want to know in the sense of being super fast but more what kind of speed could you expect a song that incorporates such a rhythm to be played at.

Thanks

Well this is my question too... i keep practicing slowely (i'm around 70 now) but i want to set a goal like strumming 16th notes at 120 bpm or something...
Any advice???
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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2013, 03:37:13 pm »
Get a metronome that has a increase speed feature. One that you can set to increase the clicks after
X amount of beat after X amount of time. So if your comfortable at 70bpm then start at 60bpm and have
the metronome increase the speed by 2 beats every 10 seconds until you start making mistakes.
then start at 70bpm. Keep doing this for 5 minutes every time you practice and you'll get faster in no
time.

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2013, 09:26:35 pm »
Does anyone know what speed we should be going up to on the metronome for this?
I can go up to 90 without issues, slowing working up towards 100.

I dont want to know in the sense of being super fast but more what kind of speed could you expect a song that incorporates such a rhythm to be played at.

Thanks

Well this is my question too... i keep practicing slowely (i'm around 70 now) but i want to set a goal like strumming 16th notes at 120 bpm or something...
Any advice???

It depends on what style of music you want to play. I know it's a generic answer, but it's the truth. If you want to play shred lead guitar you have to be able to go a lot faster than someone playing country rhythms.

If you told us a few songs that you wanted to be able to play we could probably help you out more. If your metronome has a 'tap' tempo feature, you can listen to one of your 'goal' songs and tap in the beat - that will give you a number to go for. Actually your goal should be a bit higher so your not trying to perform at your maximum - you want to be performing in your 'comfort zone' which will always be a bit slower.
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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2013, 07:25:57 pm »
It depends on what style of music you want to play. I know it's a generic answer, but it's the truth. If you want to play shred lead guitar you have to be able to go a lot faster than someone playing country rhythms.

If you told us a few songs that you wanted to be able to play we could probably help you out more. If your metronome has a 'tap' tempo feature, you can listen to one of your 'goal' songs and tap in the beat - that will give you a number to go for. Actually your goal should be a bit higher so your not trying to perform at your maximum - you want to be performing in your 'comfort zone' which will always be a bit slower.

I play acoustic guitar, one of the songs is "The Who - Pinball Wizard". I just wanna set a max speed goal (a long term goal) so if i want to play any other song i don't have to start practicing all over again. I don't know if i make myself clear i'm not so good at english  :-\

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2013, 07:39:53 pm »
Keep upping your speed each day by 5 or 10 beat when your practicing and you'll get to 120 or higher
in no time.
As for playing song like Pinball Wizard you have to do the same thing, start slow enough where you don't
make mistakes and each day practice it a little faster.

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2013, 12:48:01 am »
It depends on what style of music you want to play. I know it's a generic answer, but it's the truth. If you want to play shred lead guitar you have to be able to go a lot faster than someone playing country rhythms.

If you told us a few songs that you wanted to be able to play we could probably help you out more. If your metronome has a 'tap' tempo feature, you can listen to one of your 'goal' songs and tap in the beat - that will give you a number to go for. Actually your goal should be a bit higher so your not trying to perform at your maximum - you want to be performing in your 'comfort zone' which will always be a bit slower.

I play acoustic guitar, one of the songs is "The Who - Pinball Wizard". I just wanna set a max speed goal (a long term goal) so if i want to play any other song i don't have to start practicing all over again. I don't know if i make myself clear i'm not so good at english  :-\

Just a rough tapping into my drum machine/metronome tells me Pinball Wizard is somewhere around 120-130 bpm.

But keep in mind - 1/8th notes at 120bpm are slower than 16th notes at 90. So even setting a bpm goal isn't really the end all and be all of speed. Just set your metronome to go only as fast as you can play the most difficult section with NO mistakes. Then slowly work your way up from there.

There really are no shortcuts. Practicing one minute chords changes and scale runs will help - one more than the other if you're focused more on lead or rhythm, as will playing other music - don't focus on just one piece or you can fall into the trap of learning a memorized 'groove' instead of being able to play whatever comes your way.

I believe strongly in learning to sight read - which means looking at music to a song you've never heard before and being able to play it from what's written there.
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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2013, 01:55:02 am »
Thank you for your reply.

Well i have an acoustic so i only play rhythm guitar, I always practice my 16th notes strumming with a metronome for 5mn every day and i speed up only when i feel very comfortable with it, so i'll follow your advice and keep practicing like you told me and i'll not worry that much about the speed  :D

about sight reading, i only play guitar as a hobby so i don't think i'll need that.

Thank you everybody so much for the help ^^


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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2013, 11:00:07 am »
Hello:

could i get the 16th strumming patterns and try to apply them to a song that i've been playing with diferent 8th strumming patterns?
i suppose the answer is "yes"
but i prefer to ask...

sorry for the spelling of my english!!


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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2013, 04:28:50 pm »
The question isn't, whether it's 8th note or 16th note strumming, it's whether or not the rhythm played with the pattern fits the song. Just try it out and see, what fits best.

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2013, 05:23:55 pm »
Hello:

could i get the 16th strumming patterns and try to apply them to a song that i've been playing with diferent 8th strumming patterns?
i suppose the answer is "yes"
but i prefer to ask...

sorry for the spelling of my english!!

Yes, he's got a few in the lessons here and there. I think most of his 16th note patterns are on his strumming DVD's though.

Practice doing straight 16th note strumming first - then start leaving some notes out, or putting some in between an eighth not here and there.

Note: once you can do 16th note strumming consistently, you can use it to change any 8th note strumming pattern into all downstrums (or all upstrums for that matter).
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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2013, 10:30:50 pm »
A yes or no question here: I can do this pattern perfectly, part from one thing. When I do the second accent I lift my foot, but I'm not tapping it until the "2"(when I'm supposed to!) so is this a problem? I think I normally, without thinking about it, lift my foot at the same time as my hand is going upwards on the beat before the actual tapping, but will this be a problem here? Since I'm actually tapping on the right beat and I can play this and all other strumming patterns until now without any problems

If so I believe it'll be taking me years to unlearn, I didn't even know I was doing it, until now:(

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2013, 10:53:20 pm »
As long as you're tapping on the beat. I see no problem

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2013, 12:42:51 am »
@Gibbon, I think it's natural to pick up your foot on the beat before you tap... like when you are counting eighth notes and tapping on quarter notes, you would tap on the numbers and pick up your foot during the &s.

My question: I have a lot of experience with rhythms from music theory classes and things, and I have never had a problem (that I can remember) with tapping on the beat. However I never really learned how to play/count with accents until I did this lesson. I found it really easy to play the pattern (the counting in threes thing helped me a lot), and with a bit of effort it wasn't so hard to count with accents (like saying out loud "ONE e and A two e AND a..." and now I can easily count that way and do the accents at the same time, in time with a metronome. I cannot for the life of me do the foot taps. I'm trying really hard.

From all you foot tapping advocates, what is the downside of being able to play something in time with a beat but not being able to tap your foot only on the downbeat? I'll probably keep trying but I don't really see why it matters.

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2013, 01:10:36 pm »
From all you foot tapping advocates, what is the downside of being able to play something in time with a beat but not being able to tap your foot only on the downbeat? I'll probably keep trying but I don't really see why it matters. 

It helps to know where you are in time in a score.  On which beat in which measure.   :) 
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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2013, 03:39:13 pm »
Should I be trying to change chords while strumming this patter ? Or for that matter any of the other patterns in the Intermediate course?

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2013, 03:45:03 pm »
once you have the pattern down comfortably, yes.

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2013, 08:35:57 pm »
And until you have it down, no.
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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2013, 12:12:23 pm »
Wow, I was goig to post something on here but lots of people seem to have had my problem.

I guess I will just have to slow things right down! Thanks to every one who took the time to post something on here, lots of useful reading material.

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2013, 07:24:49 am »
I also struggle with foot tapping with this pattern.

Slowing things down, even waaaaay down does not seam to work for me.

I've got this pattern (and variations) waxed and playing chord progressions using it without any issues - up to about 100bpm. I actually have the next pattern in IM3 waxed as well - with proper foot tapping, leaving out notes, mixing it up etc, but for the life of me I can't get the foot tapping happening on beats 2 and 3 with this pattern.

I've been at it for a few months now and normally I've very good at tapping beats and independence of my hands and feet (almost like drummers), but this one... :-[

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2013, 10:17:06 am »
It has been years for me, and on this one pattern I have never been able to do it either., and I alwazs tap my foot and bounce my leg around and all sorts... I have learnt to live with it, but deep down inside I feel deficient somehow.
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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2013, 07:08:57 pm »
I started off really slowly.......like 20bpm slow and waited until I could do around 3 mins with no mistakes then raised it to 25bpm and repeated. It does get harder once you hit around 80bpm.

What I did was really stamp your foot on the beat as you're building up the speed and shout out the accented strums to implant them in your brain  :) It's harder to do at faster speeds but once you have it raising the tempo is a little easier.
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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2013, 10:18:22 am »
After me posting here yesterday, I decided to give the foot tapping another go with new determination and focus - at very slow speed...

Any hey presto!

I managed it ok for approx. a minute at a time before fumbling up, 30-40bpm, but at least it is a start

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2014, 04:35:08 pm »
I'm having a go at this.... real slow + foottapping... not easy.
Muted struming ok, but then just one chord and I'm thrown off.  :D
After a while, however, it starts to work.

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Re: IM-125 • Intermediate Rhythm Guitar 2
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2014, 11:07:28 am »
Me again...
this one will take a while.

Justin suggests to start slowly at 60bpm.
Well, this is way to fast for me to start of with.

I think, to get going at this + foottapping and strumming an actual open chord (which is strangely enough more upsetting than muted strumming) : 44 bpm.

Are you sure you're comfortable to up the tempo ? Try making a chord change from eg G to C... from bar 1 to bar 2, or within the bar at the 3th beat for example.


 

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