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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2018, 01:53:31 pm »
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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #76 on: February 02, 2018, 03:13:33 pm »
Gareth, I agree with Joerfe, it will come. How about getting the groove with strumming 8th notes to that metronome speed as a quick warm up to the scale? Down strum on the click and up strum in the middle to get comfortable with that timing, then try the scale.
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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2018, 04:09:20 pm »
I had exactly the same problem with that, and yes as already said try down pick on the click and up in the gap, it won’t happen immediately but it will work!

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2018, 07:41:34 pm »
Thanks guys. It's been two weeks I feel it coming a bit but as I say I keep falling out of the rythym. I thought like everything else it the answer would be more time "in the shed". I'll keep at it.

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2018, 08:21:10 pm »
Talk to yourself. Say "Down Up Down Up" as you pick each note, making sure the Down falls on the click.

If you're really struggling with the picking, just concentrate on picking a single string and ignore fretting anything, until you can handle the picking in time, then start adding in the fretting again.

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2018, 10:25:54 pm »
Thank you all. Just had a breakthrough. It was the usual frustrating 5 mins of not managing to keep in time at 70 bpm. For some reason I thought I'd try at 80 bpm and I seemed to manage that much more easily. Don't know why but I had the same thing when trying to play one note per click - a bit faster seems to be easier.

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #81 on: February 06, 2018, 12:06:27 am »
Thank you all. Just had a breakthrough. It was the usual frustrating 5 mins of not managing to keep in time at 70 bpm. For some reason I thought I'd try at 80 bpm and I seemed to manage that much more easily. Don't know why but I had the same thing when trying to play one note per click - a bit faster seems to be easier.

It's because 80bpm will be a more natural rhythm for you. I'm sure I've seen somebody mention it correlates to heartrate, but it's essentially because 70-80bpm tempos are easier to maintain. Slower you need to think about when the next click is coming, so it's actually harder to keep in time with the click.
Off course now you've found your natural tempo, start pushing it both faster and slower.

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #82 on: February 06, 2018, 07:27:17 am »
Thanks m_c I think I can go quicker slower seems to be the issue. I'm just happy that I can (sort of) do it now I was thinking there was something wrong with me.

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #83 on: February 06, 2018, 09:52:40 am »
It's because 80bpm will be a more natural rhythm for you. I'm sure I've seen somebody mention it correlates to heartrate, but it's essentially because 70-80bpm tempos are easier to maintain. Slower you need to think about when the next click is coming, so it's actually harder to keep in time with the click.
Off course now you've found your natural tempo, start pushing it both faster and slower.

Not that anyone asked, but I have a pet theory about this  ;D

From dancing I know that faster is easier than slow, up to a certain point. My theory is that the easiest rhythm for humans to naturally keep is based on efficient muscle movement, not heartrate directly. I believe we've basically evolved to move most efficiently at an easy jogging pace, which for most people has a cadence of about 70-80. The biomechanics behind this I have no idea about, but for me there seems to be a natural correlation between my most comfortable and efficient running cadence and the rhythm I can keep in my head or on my guitar without too much deviation.
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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #84 on: February 06, 2018, 02:31:34 pm »
..... but for me there seems to be a natural correlation between my most comfortable and efficient running cadence and the rhythm I can keep in my head or on my guitar without too much deviation.

Not sure my metronome can be dialed down slow enough to match my most comfortable and efficient running cadence  ;D

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #85 on: July 07, 2018, 05:40:42 pm »
A quick question which may seem basic but if I'm playing the scale in 16th notes ie 4 notes per beat and the metronome is set to 80 bpm,  this is 320 bpm?  RIght?

So if the target is with the metronome set at 120 this would be 480 bpm.

I can play the scale with 16th notes at 80 bpm but 120 on the metronome seems impossible from where I am now.

I am understanding this wrong?

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #86 on: July 07, 2018, 07:08:28 pm »
Your understanding is right but why on earth would you want to pick 8 beats/second???

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #87 on: July 07, 2018, 07:16:37 pm »
I thought that was the target speed Justin said in the video.  J must be wrong, so I'll check again.

What do you think is the target speed?

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #88 on: July 07, 2018, 07:21:51 pm »
I think it’s right but can’t think of any reason to want to do it 🤣🤣🤣

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #89 on: July 07, 2018, 09:42:57 pm »
I thought the bpm remained the same regardless of the number of notes played per bar. If the beat is 80bpm you can play quarter notes or 16th notes but it remains 80bpm.

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #90 on: July 07, 2018, 10:17:20 pm »
I thought the bpm remained the same regardless of the number of notes played per bar. If the beat is 80bpm you can play quarter notes or 16th notes but it remains 80bpm.

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Agreed, what changes is notes per minute. 1/4 notes means 80 notes per minute and 1/16 notes would be 320 notes per minute or 4 notes per beat or 16 notes in 3 seconds, if my arithmetic is correct. For what it's worth....

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #92 on: July 07, 2018, 10:38:41 pm »
Agreed, what changes is notes per minute. 1/4 notes means 80 notes per minute and 1/16 notes would be 320 notes per minute or 4 notes per beat or 16 notes in 3 seconds, if my arithmetic is correct. For what it's worth....

It depends on the time signature, of course ;)



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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #93 on: July 08, 2018, 12:52:23 pm »
Thanks everybody, I now understand.

So Justin says the target is 120bpm with 16th notes ie 480 notes per minute.  That does seem fast to me.

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #94 on: July 08, 2018, 01:22:39 pm »
It depends on the time signature, of course ;)


Of course, I say, having completely forgotten to consider that  :-[

Am I right in saying that my arithmetic was OK assuming that the time signature was 4/4?

Or was I completely confused  ;D

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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #95 on: July 22, 2018, 03:55:01 pm »
Agreed, what changes is notes per minute. 1/4 notes means 80 notes per minute and 1/16 notes would be 320 notes per minute or 4 notes per beat or 16 notes in 3 seconds, if my arithmetic is correct. For what it's worth....

Hi David, yup, at 80 bpm in 4/4 time that's 80 quarter notes, and also 320 sixteenth notes.
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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #96 on: April 29, 2019, 12:34:59 am »
I've been working with this lesson for some time now. I've made progress pretty well. I'm up to playing 16th notes at 90BPM.

Here's my question:
Justin has this exercise being done using the G major scale. Is there anything to be lost by doing this using a different major scale, such as A major?

The reason I ask is that the other day I wasn't paying attention and had a capo on at the second fret while doing this exercise.  I found that it was noticeably easier playing the major scale two frets up from where I had been with the G major scale. I was hitting the notes cleaner and smoother and without as much effort to keep up with the metronome.

If I find my left hand gets fatigued quicker playing G major and progress in the exercise is slower as well, am I cheating myself out of something if I were to play the scale higher up the neck?


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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #97 on: April 29, 2019, 01:18:57 am »
It's easier because the frets are closer together.
The G major scale is used because it is harder. This will help strengthen
your hand and fingers.
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Re: IM-124 • Technique: Playing Scales With A Metronome
« Reply #98 on: April 29, 2019, 03:06:19 pm »
Thanks for clarifying that. While Justin presented the exercise with G major scale, he didn't emphasize why G major was being used.


 

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