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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2017, 03:23:00 am »
While doing the major scale minimum movement exercise:

When I'm working my way down the scale, I tend to keep my higher finger numbered fingers planted on the upper strings until it is time to move them down to the next string ie. my 2nd and 4th fingers stay planted on the 5th string while I'm transitioning my 1st finger to the 4th string. When I do this I often notice I'm muting the 4th string which I'm trying to pluck.

I never worried about muting the lower strings before since I always let my fingers fly off and clear out when transitioning between strings. I realize that when you stay on one string it's good technique to keep finger 1 down when you put finger 2 down, etc. This I can do rather well. However is it good technique to keep fingers 2 and 4 planted when transitioning finger 1 between strings?

I'm pretty sure this is a hand arch issue. Do I need to fix this before even attempting to do the minimum movement exercises?
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2017, 04:41:24 pm »
Is it ok to leave the fingers on the frets while moving towards the other strings?

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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2017, 01:00:53 am »
It's like having 4 children. The oldest 3 are reasonably well behaved, but the youngest is hyperactive, always jumping around and charging off all over the place. Maybe with enough teamwork exercises the baby will eventually get it and become like its older siblings.
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2017, 11:27:23 am »
Is it ok to leave the fingers on the frets while moving towards the other strings?
You're making it harder on yourself, but yes, I think that is certainly OK if you can do that. I've seen similar exercises (usually related to classical guitar) where the point of the exercise is precisely to keep the fingers on the frets. At the same time, however, you must make sure that you are not pressing the unused fingers needlessly, because that will make the previous note continue to ring out. So the optimum would be: keep fingers down, but without pressing the string. If you make it a habit, it will be very useful when you learn about left hand muting.

By doing this, I suppose you are going beyond what Justin intended with the exercise. But if you can manage, all the more power to you!  :)
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2017, 05:09:11 am »
Have you tried the finger stretching exercises in the beginner course?
BC 135. If not would be a good place to start. If you have already done it
go back and review it again. It will really improve your finger dexterity.

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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2017, 06:09:40 am »
Have you tried the finger stretching exercises in the beginner course?
BC 135. If not would be a good place to start. If you have already done it
go back and review it again. It will really improve your finger dexterity.

Thanks Stitch. Yes I do this, starting further up the neck on the 8th fret (TE 110) I also do Hammer-ons (FO 109) as well as a few other things I've found on the internet. If I push it too hard my wrist hurts. I guess it's like everything else, daily practise over a period of time will bring improvement.
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2017, 06:45:26 am »
Oh god, this one is difficult. I had no idea I had such poor finger control. A wonder I can play guitar at all. Worked with it for a week and can't see much improvement. Any ideas on other practice drills one can do to imrove finger control? I am thinking about something I can do at my desk at work, when I have lots of free time :-)
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2017, 08:22:52 am »
Oh god, this one is difficult. I had no idea I had such poor finger control. A wonder I can play guitar at all. Worked with it for a week and can't see much improvement. Any ideas on other practice drills one can do to imrove finger control? I am thinking about something I can do at my desk at work, when I have lots of free time :-)

It is a difficult exercise for sure, but your work will pay off in terms of the speed you can change chords and notes. Just stick with it and be consistent and you will get there.
I do not have many exercises for when not having a guitar in your hands, but maybe typing on your computer keyboard could be an excercise.
When writing this post I notice that my fingers barely lifts themselves going from one key to another. Maybe that could be transferred to guitar playing, I don't know.
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2017, 11:37:05 am »
I'm sure Stitch has mentioned this one a few times but its good for min movement and individual finger control.

Hand flat on desk palm down fingers spread. One by one index to pinkie to index raise each finger up then down focusing on moving just one finger at a time. Middle/ring and ring/pinkie combos can be a sod to isolate with practice you'll get greater control and stop those flying digits.

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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2017, 04:52:15 pm »
For me just playing scales had a massive difference on my individual finger control. Not so much in terms of the minimum movement was buy my fingers "knowing" where each string were. When it comes to improve or solos one of my biggest drags (still not great) was being able to land the fretting fingers on the correct strings up and down the fret board.

From my point of the palm flat on the desk side of things doesn't make a lot of difference. I touch type a lot at work and don't find individual finger control difficult....it doesn't translate seamlessly to guitar unfortunately although I have to admit I don't have too much in the way of fly away fingers.
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2017, 08:45:32 am »
Thanks Toby, I have worked a bit with that exercise at work and finger control is getting a little better. I  see a small improvement in mimimum movement when playing G major scale. Still difficult though.
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2017, 08:22:18 am »
After working on this a couple of weeks finger control has really improved for me. And as Joerfe and Justin says this exercise really helps for chord changes as well. Changes has become quicker and more accurate. Even changes from open chords to e-shape bar chords is starting to work better. Good exercise! I will continue work with it for sure. Still some fingers that wanna fly away when playing the scale...
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2017, 05:09:46 pm »
I can concur and have had the same experience, Loefgren. I actually had moved on to IM foundation 2 but decided to move back to foundation 1 exercises because I was still having issues with this. Also, I realized my E-shaped barre chords weren't quite where they needed to be. This is such a helpful exercise.


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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2017, 08:05:19 pm »
Must admit I have a pinky that tends to have a mind of it's own too. It seems to hang in the air when I'm playing scales until I need to use it.
All the the other fingers are fine.
Thought about playing to a metronome but how slow would you need it to beat this annoying habit?


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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2017, 09:59:02 pm »
Try playing chromatic scales, you have to use all 4 fingers that way. I usually start at 1st fret F to f and back down then go up one fret at a time until I get to 5th fret; start off at about 80bpm and work your way up. I can do 220bpm at the moment.

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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2018, 07:31:26 pm »
This exercise is a killer, I, too had and still have a problem with a flying, insubordinate  pinky. I figured that the good way to tackle this is, as with everything else that we are learning, break it down into a smaller, easier to manage chunks. I started with a standard, Justin's finger stretch exercise. On the second fret, all fingers down. I.e. index finger on the second fret, second finger on the third and so on. Not lifting the previous finger of the fret board, after picking the note. First finger down, pick the note, second finger down, pick the note but leave the previous finger down. It makes it much easier to train fingers to stay close to the strings that way. Once relatively proficient, I moved to the next stage, lifting the finger off the fret board after picking the note. This is a progressively more difficult part as the fingers tend to fly away when hovering above the strings but we've already taught the fingers to have some control in the first exercise. Only after getting relatively better at this, I've moved to playing the scale. I am still exercising this but I found it much much easier than just starting off with the minimum movement directly with the scale playing. Just my 5 cents worth, I hope it helps :-)

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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2018, 02:36:10 am »
I'm really struggling with this.  My minor pentatonic from the begiiners course was pretty good, but as I play it now, I realize I have flying fingers, specifically my pinkie which wants to fly up in the air everytime I change frets when I  put pointer down on the next string down.  I am sucking at the major scale due to flying pinkie syndrome. Help!
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2018, 11:04:33 pm »
To me it was all about relaxing and doing it very very slowly. Sometimes to the point of having my fingers hover over the string (not touching) and waiting until they stopped twiching. Over time my fingers wouldn't fly as much. The nice thing is this really helps with your speed to. So take the time now it will pay off later.

Also, I find I have to go back and start from the beginning every so often.  Just to refresh that muscle memory I guess...

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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2018, 07:21:00 am »
@Stitch; thank you for the tip. I'll do this exercise from now on.
The problem with me is that when i start the major scale, my ringfinger stays way up in the air, but when it's time to hit the string, it stays relatively down while i play the scale.
My fingers have been improving, thanks to the exercise in the im foundation, but the excercise Stitch mentioned seems to be the ticket.
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2019, 09:45:42 pm »
Just thought I’d reopen this topic as the last post was a year ago.
I’m having problems with flying fingers when playing scales. I don’t have a problem with chords, my fingers stay pretty close to the fretboard with minimum movement. However, as soon as I play for example a G major scale, my fingers take on a life of their own. Although I can play the scale, I’m aware that my fingers are all over the place!
I’ve read through all the previous posts and am going to revisit Justin’s finger stretch exercise lesson and his minimum movement exercise lesson.
I was just wondering why it’s the scales that cause my fingers to ‘fly’ and not the chord changes.
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2019, 09:58:04 pm »
Just thought I’d reopen this topic as the last post was a year ago.
I’m having problems with flying fingers when playing scales. I don’t have a problem with chords, my fingers stay pretty close to the fretboard with minimum movement. However, as soon as I play for example a G major scale, my fingers take on a life of their own. Although I can play the scale pattern, I’m aware that my fingers are all over the place!
I’ve read through all the previous posts and am going to revisit Justin’s finger stretch exercise lesson and his minimum movement exercise lesson.
I was just wondering why it’s the scales that cause my fingers to ‘fly’ and not the chord changes.
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2019, 05:45:02 pm »
Flying fingers are starting to fly less! As with everything guitar it’s practice, practice and more practice. Justin should have a huge heading on his website that says “No Easy Answers!” 😃
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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2020, 06:15:40 am »
Im confused, Should i practice this exercise with fretting hand string muting?

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/minimum-movement-exercise-im-114

Because in this lesson:

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/muting-strings-deliberately-b2-804

Justin says we should practice muting strings with fretting hand while playing scales, but he does not do it in the Minimum Movement Exercise.

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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2020, 07:41:38 am »
Minimum movement is for speed, so I would definitely say to follow how Justin does it, I’ve never used muting when trying to built up speed when playing scales, unless you’re playing slow the note doesn’t really have chance to ring out.

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Re: IM-114 • Technique: Minimum Movement Exercise
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2020, 06:56:50 pm »
Minimum movement is for speed, so I would definitely say to follow how Justin does it, I’ve never used muting when trying to built up speed when playing scales, unless you’re playing slow the note doesn’t really have chance to ring out.
Thanks!

So when should i practice muting?
When doing improvisation exercises?  or maybe all the time unless im building up speed?

 

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