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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2017, 09:01:59 pm »
Hi there - new user - Playing for quite a while but never had patience to try for the next level - so I have the Book and it looks like it is going to be very useful.  I want to understand and be comfortable with Scale Patterns - So I am looking at P18/19 at the G major Scale - My question is - is it a bad idea to use ring finger instead of small finger when practising this scale.  My little finger feels quite awkward on the fretboard apart from some basic hammer ons on the thin e string. 

Thanks for reading this - I hope you understand were I'm coming from with this question

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Dave, I understand completely where you are coming from. My ringfinger does the same: take over for the pinky. To be honest, it's a bad habit. You should strive to use your pinky as much as possible. Only by doing that it gets stronger and better.
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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #76 on: July 01, 2017, 07:23:02 am »
Dave, I understand completely where you are coming from. My ringfinger does the same: take over for the pinky. To be honest, it's a bad habit. You should strive to use your pinky as much as possible. Only by doing that it gets stronger and better.
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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #77 on: July 01, 2017, 01:36:42 pm »
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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #78 on: January 18, 2018, 12:31:13 pm »
Questions...
Hi started the Intermediate level 3 weeks ago and was wondering when doing the Major Scale Position 1 is it alright to work up and down the neck with this pattern or do i stay on the G. i have the pattern down pretty well can play it in G positon.

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #79 on: January 18, 2018, 04:28:11 pm »
If you can play it in G you can play it in every key. You're doing the IM course so you should already know
root notes and how they work with scales. So now is the time to start making music with tbe major scale
E shape (position 1)

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2018, 10:27:18 am »
Thanks, Iam doing backing tracks in A,C & G sometimes instead of playing 'learning' songs. but want to make sure playing the scale up and down the neck was ok while doing my practice schedule.
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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #81 on: January 19, 2018, 04:51:58 pm »
but want to make sure playing the scale up and down the neck was ok while doing my practice schedule.
Cheers Tony

As long as you're paying attention to what Root note you are starting on. It's the same pattern the only thing
that changes is the name of the scale. So if you want to practice the A major scale then the D or what ever
make sure you know what note you are starting in. This while get the different sounds of each key in your head.

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #82 on: May 01, 2019, 11:37:18 am »
Hi Guys
I’ve just started learning Major Scale pattern 1 with G as the root note and am slightly confused. In the IM book, Justin shows finger 1 playing F# before finger 2 plays the root G (on the low E string) and then on the high E string he shows finger 4 playing A after the G root note. This is shown on the chord diagram. On the next page he has tabbed the scale but does not show the extra low note or high note. In the website video of the lesson he sometimes adds in the extra notes and sometimes does not. Why the discrepancy? Which is correct?
My question is - do I start and finish on the root note or not and do I add in the extra notes or not? The extra notes are not part of solfège are they?
I don’t want to spend time learning this incorrectly! Thanks guys.

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #83 on: May 01, 2019, 11:50:46 am »
@ sair

Start and end on the lowest available root note for each pattern you are learning. In this case G on 3rd fret of low E string.
Play it with a downwards picking motion.
When playing the scale pattern ascending always play up to and including the highst available note (not necessarily a root note) contained within the fret-span of the pattern.
When descending always play down to and including the lowest available note (not necessarily a root note) contained within the fret-span of the pattern.
As this pattern 1 (E-shape) spans frets 2-5 for G Major you play the high A note at fret 5 and the low F# note at fret 2.
You play the high A note once before descending again.
You play the low F# note once before ascending again.
If it is the last time playing through the entire pattern, play the low F# once and finish on the low G root note.
The number of notes in all the five patterns is 17 so you should, if you play with strict alternate picking, always finish with a down on the low root note also (having started with a down).

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #84 on: May 01, 2019, 01:17:26 pm »
Thanks for that explanation close, much appreciated. I’ve got it! I was failing to see there are two things here - a scale, and a scale pattern that contains a scale and has extra notes.
I’ll get practicing now!


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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #85 on: May 01, 2019, 03:47:10 pm »
Wow!15 minutes of that and I can hardly wiggle my fingers. 🤪
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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #86 on: July 26, 2019, 11:46:27 am »
Hi there.  I don't have the biggest hands (span from thumb to pinky at full stretch is 20cm).  I'm finding it hard to get my pinky near the fret, especially on the first couple of notes of the scale when going from the first note with the 2nd finger to the 2nd note.  I can do it but my hand really aches from the stretching and my 2nd finger always wants to move past the fret it's on to make it easier to reach for the pinky.  Will this get easier the more I practice it (i.e. fingers will stretch easier) or should I modify the technique?  I can post a video if that helps...

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2019, 12:15:48 pm »
Agent

It should improve with practice but I would strongly recommend Justin's Finger Stretching Exercise, as it will help open up those fingers.

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/finger-stretching-exercise-te-101

I have relatively small hands and as an oldie they really were tight when I started playing again. This works for sure and I still use it to reprogram my finger spread if I've not played for a few days or weeks.

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #88 on: July 26, 2019, 03:35:49 pm »
That's great - I'll try that exercise - looks good!  Thank you.

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2019, 07:51:22 pm »
Hi Guys
When playing Major scale pattern 1 higher up the neck should I be using the same fingering as for example down at G. The diagram in the course book implies that I should but I ask this because I’m finding it very difficult to fit all four fingers in when the frets are so close together.
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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2019, 08:16:48 pm »
@ sairfingers ... yes ... although I must ask how high up the neck are you playing it?

In practical terms you will very rarely - well, never really - play scale runs on the thickest two strings up above say fret 13-15.

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #91 on: December 04, 2019, 08:20:09 pm »
When practicing scales I say yes, when playing lead not so much.
Practicing is getting use to where the notes are and getting the sound/intervals
into your head.

When actually using the notes of a scale to make music it's more about ergonomics
and feel. Very seldom do you use one scale position when soloing. You'll be sliding
up and down between 2 or 3 positions and fingering will be determined more by where
you're going next than the actual pattern your playing.



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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #92 on: December 04, 2019, 08:51:56 pm »
@ sairfingers ... yes ... although I must ask how high up the neck are you playing it?

In practical terms you will very rarely - well, never really - play scale runs on the thickest two strings up above say fret 13-15.
I’m playing the scale pattern up at fret 12 and am finding it easier to move my 3rd finger up a fret rather than use my 4th finger. However based on your and stitch’s advice I’ll get that pinkie in place.
When practicing scales I say yes, when playing lead not so much.
Practicing is getting use to where the notes are and getting the sound/intervals
into your head.
Thanks stitch. Lead is beyond me at the moment so I’ll stick to the scale and use the correct fingering as you advise.

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #93 on: December 04, 2019, 11:17:39 pm »
Basically, yes. But you can adapt the fingering if you need to. For example, using the 3rd finger instead of the 4th on all 3 note per string lines.
And, yes, it is a squeeze up at the dusty end, but practice will help you learn what hand angle and finger combinations work.

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2019, 08:02:26 am »
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And, yes, it is a squeeze up at the dusty end, but practice will help you learn what hand angle and finger combinations work.
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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #95 on: March 22, 2021, 10:01:49 pm »
I have a quick question about the diagram.  When Justin describes the exercise he begins with his second finger on the third fret of the thickest string, and proceeds to walk you through the scale.  So far so good.  You wind up back at second finger, third fret, thickest string; the root note, its in red.  Okay, great.  Here's what I don't get- the other red notes, are they also root notes?  Do they signify a different place to start?  And how would you proceed if they do?

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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2021, 10:39:16 pm »
They are root notes. Convention on many chord and scale diagrams is to denote Root note as red.
There are three roots in that scale pattern. Know that when you reach them you have completed a full octave and are starting up / down another octave. Root - 6 other notes - Root = 8 notes bounded by two Roots an octave apart.
You don't need to start your scale practice on them.
It is definitely good to know where they are.
When you begin to do simple improv that will be very useful knowledge.
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Re: IM-113 • Major Scale Position 1
« Reply #97 on: March 23, 2021, 01:58:51 pm »
They are root notes. Convention on many chord and scale diagrams is to denote Root note as red.
There are three roots in that scale pattern. Know that when you reach them you have completed a full octave and are starting up / down another octave. Root - 6 other notes - Root = 8 notes bounded by two Roots an octave apart.
You don't need to start your scale practice on them.
It is definitely good to know where they are.
When you begin to do simple improv that will be very useful knowledge.
:)

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