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Which camcorder?
« on: October 18, 2010, 04:21:07 am »
Every now and then i get some requests like "could you take a video of this or that" and crap.
So i don't need it often.
I guess i would usually use it inside, so it should be able to deal with low light situations.
Some optical zoom would be really nice, doesn't have to be that much but it would be a nice feature.
It must be mountable to a tripod, a optical stabilizer would be nice though.
The main concern is the picture quality,
High def is a huge plus, but i maybe could live without it - maybe.
I don't care for toys though, if i would be able to attach a mic it would be a plus,
but this is absolutely optional and not required.
It should be able to work with CF or SD cards or similar, i'm not a fan of hdd's.
I don't care about the manufacturer but i rule out aiptek, i would prefer jvc or sony,
but it seems a bit out of reach.
I'm not a friend of pocket cams, purely for the reason that the are really xx--xx to hold,
so i would prefer a classic camera shape.

Here is the problem:
I would like to spend 100€ with a absolute top of 150€ but that's just if it's a really nice camera.
But i'm willing to buy used.
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Re: Which camcorder?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2010, 01:32:29 pm »

The main concern is the picture quality,

I don't care for toys though,

so i would prefer a classic camera shape.

I would like to spend 100€ with a absolute top of 150€


Sounds like Champagne taste on a beer budget to me. You could get a Flip Video but you don't want one.
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Re: Which camcorder?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2010, 03:59:20 pm »
I know that's how i always start out, i see from there how far i can possibly get.
Or it at least worked for me so far.

I've heard of these flip things and this one seem to have pretty descend picture quality.
It's just the shape, it's like you get cream chocolate cake - but you have to eat it with your hands,
you know you it's going to taste right, but cleaning up afterwards will be a pain in the bum.
Problem really would be free-handed use with this since it seems to be very shaky.
But it's on the list.

What i cam up with myself so far is a JVC GZ-MS210
http://www.amazon.co.uk/JVC-GZ-MS210SEK-Everio-Camcorder-Dynamic/dp/B00387I6IA/
But it's quite new and i can't find much opinions on it. And for 150€ it really stretches my budged to it's limits.
It's hard spending so much money blind on something i just use every now and then,
especially since i'm saving money for a new turntable.

On ebay there is a samsung SMX C10 for 50€, they claim it's new but was returned by a customer,
it comes without any accessory though, even the battery is missing, a new USB cable and the battery can be bought for about 40€,
(Can be charged via usb) so it costs about 90€ (it's 130€ for a new one)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-SMX-C10GP-XEU-Camcorder-Recording/dp/B00295R408
But because of that fact i'm quite suspicious, and hard/not to resolve "card error" problems are known for this device.

Both don't record in HD which is a minus, but researching and looking at my budget tells me that i may have to deal with that.
I would have liked that so i would be able to do a little creative project every now and then maybe.
But then i never going to burn a bluray to show it to people,
it's going straight to youtube i guess, but downscaled pieces in standard def can look a lot nicer
then pieces that been recorded in standard definition when it's the maximum of the camera.

A constant train of thoughts. That's how i buy stuff. :/
I see what i need and want and then see what i actually can get.
Proper quality in low light situations seems to start at 300€+ which is a bummer,
but i expected it, wider lenses and better glass are always expansive.
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Re: Which camcorder?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 07:11:52 pm »
A friend obviously stumbled over this and offered me his which i most likely will take.
He payed 280€ or so and he gives it to me for 120€ with bag and 2 additional batteries all cables etc.

Easy to use, looks moderately ok inside, can zoom a bit, picture stabilization, it's not the sharpest picture i've ever seen,
but i guess i can fix it in post.
Anyone knows a program with which i can sharpen video footage?
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Re: Which camcorder?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 07:13:59 pm »
Yep, but it cost about 4x what the camera was.
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Re: Which camcorder?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 07:35:08 pm »
Are we talking about after effects?
I know my friend still got CS3 flying around and i guess i can barrow it.
It's mean if you know it but don't tell. :D
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Re: Which camcorder?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 09:51:55 pm »
Most of the good NLE software has some sort of arrangement to improve poor video. It all depends how poor the video. How much work you are willing to do to make it better and how much you are willing to spend but they are all in the $4-500 and up range.

Trying to sharpen a soft image is probably going to be more technique oriented.
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Re: Which camcorder?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2010, 02:18:04 am »
Now that sounds like something. :)
I guess i can go from there on my own.
Thanks a lot for the assistance TB. :)
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Re: Which camcorder?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2010, 04:04:22 am »
Sony Vegas has a lot of the same things you would find in Photoshop. sharpen, unsharp mask, color correction, blurs, levels, saturations, all sorts of things.

Same sort of learning involved.

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