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hully-gully

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back in black intro, help please
« on: April 10, 2010, 09:06:53 am »
Hi guys

I have just started learning back in black and i am already stuck with the intro lick. I play this as follows  =  3rd fret E pick and pull off
3rd fret B pick and pull off.
2nd fret G bend/ release and pull off, then back onto the main riff intro.

It seems a lot of notes to cram in such a short space or maybe i am not up to speed yet. please have a listen.

Thanks   http://www.4shared.com/audio/r6a8zvMs/ac_dc_back_in_black_intro.html

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2010, 10:14:11 am »
... the intro lick. I play this as follows  =  3rd fret E pick and pull off
3rd fret B pick and pull off.
2nd fret G bend/ release and pull off, then back onto the main riff intro.

correct

It seems a lot of notes to cram in such a short space or maybe i am not up to speed yet. ...

correct again   :)

practice it slow and correct then build up speed gradually - your version shows that you lose the rhythm when going back to the E chord, don't practice mistakes, practice right and you'll get there

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2010, 11:26:12 am »
close2u.
Thanks for that, I guess i am a bit impatient. I only started this project yesterday. That little lick is cool and repeats quite a lot.

I got a bit impatient 3 hours practicing and still 10 seconds into the song :(

A great ac/dc song cant wait to complete.

thanks

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 10:17:44 am »
Another 3 hours or so practicing this lick, Its getting there :)

http://www.4shared.com/audio/oYfItOob/ac_dc_back_in_black__live__int.html

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2010, 10:39:53 am »
Make sure you play the whole riff at an even tempo.. I think it might help you to pick the first 4 notes to keep them even if you haven't practiced pull-offs with a metronome before.  Keep at it :)

Where did you find the backing track btw?  I'd like to learn the song with you :D

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2010, 11:26:34 am »
you're too early with that lick
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Sounds right by my reckoning.
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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2010, 01:47:56 pm »
Tourniquet. Yeah i know i was just a tad early, but its closer than my previous attempt. I am gonna move along to a new part but always keep coming back to that lick till i get it right. That way i can see some progress. Its easy to get bogged down and quit.

Tandyman. here is the backing tracks for ac/dc. I use the live version.
http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/bts/AC_DC.htm

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2010, 02:40:11 am »
that lick seems so simple, yet I have always had trouble getting it to sound right.
I have seen people that play it without the pull offs  ( except the last one ) and they pick every note.



But yeah there is something about the timing with that lick that makes it a hard one to copy, try playing along with the record, but make the record louder than your guitar so you can hear it more to start with.
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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 03:08:04 am »
If you are struggling with a certain part, the thing i have been taught to do is, repeat it over and over again and again


whether repeating it by doing E D A riff E D A riff... or just those few notes in the riff
To build speed in changing repeat the first string with pull off and the 2nd string with pull off... go back and forth until you can do it as quickly as you want.... and do the same with 2nd string pull of to 3rd string bend

and for now, don't do it to exact speed, go with what is comfortable.
I remember when I learned BIB i strugled with this exact part... but remember practice practice practice!

Hope i have said some things that may help :)

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 08:37:23 am »
Good advice from both iceman69 and d/chicken. Pulling off the string is quicker for me, though pulling off the strings are more difficult to get an even rhythm and even sound. Picking the strings certainly sound better,

I listened to Carl's version, which i think is very good. I wonder if he picked or pulled off the strings. i may ask him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q0y1YF8kbc

Thanks for the advice again :)

ps just checked out a previus response from carl on this forum.

tho i didn't play the main riff with pull offs, only one the first time it finishes (not the low notes part), on the G string

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2010, 10:02:04 pm »
I found a package called Slow Gold ( http://slowgold.com/ ) that allows you to slow music down to as much as 50% without distorting it.  It works GREAT!  You can also setup loops throughout the song so that you can practice certain sections.  I took this section and made it into a loop and started at 50% and worked up 10% at a time.  I can play it at 90% speed pretty cleanly now.  The harder part for me to learn so far the repeating lick further down in the song.  I'm getting to 80% on it but it's a chore.  I just picked up the guitar 2 1/2 months ago and have been working through Justin's beginner course and having a blast!  I slowed it down to 80% and then saved that as a file and imported it into CUBase and recorded my track on top of it.  Here's my playing it at 80% speed (keep in mind I've only been playing guitar for 2 1/2 months so be nice ;) )

http://www.4shared.com/audio/03XU2vIz/MyBackInBlack80.html

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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2010, 12:21:56 am »
That riff is famous for being waaay harder than people think :) Myself included...
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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2010, 09:13:53 am »
Thanks for the link steve.

I just done 3 demos. Slow, medium. and full speed. Even at full speed something is lacking even when playing against a backing track. Take a listen to the 1st slow one. you maybe  able to detect the problem. I sure can,t :-\
Ps or maybe i am not up to full speed yet

http://www.4shared.com/audio/Hcw6l70U/demo_1_intro.html

http://www.4shared.com/audio/G7UprnAq/demo_2.html


http://www.4shared.com/audio/-rdWtwYG/demo_3.html

ps i play flick offs
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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2010, 09:48:05 am »
first thing that jumps out is the timing. listen to the D or A chord you're playing, the time between the 1st and 2nd note is longer than the 2nd and 3rd. you're rushing to get the notes out (Medium speed is better with this but slow and fast are pretty pronounced)
for the lick it's a little rushed at the end on the slow, on medium you're starting to rush the flickoffs.
On fast the flick offs are too soon. try to give the picked notes and flick off notes equal time to ring.
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Re: back in black intro, help please
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2010, 09:52:00 am »
the timing is, as tourniquet says, not right, these are even and you rush through

also, try less distortion to match the ac/dc tone and to hear yourself better

 

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