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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #175 on: June 09, 2016, 11:27:45 pm »
My main motivation for learning guitar is to create my own songs, and I need to know a lot of songs to be able to make a colourful song ...

Fixed that for you.
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It's been said already ... learn songs, learn songs, learn songs ... (Thanks Toby)

Think of any great songwriter you admire.
Change that.
Think of any songwriter.
Estimate how many songs (not written by them) they have ever learned how to play.
It will likely number hundreds or thousands.
Think of Lennon & McCartney (some say the greatest songwriters ever).
They played hundreds of cover songs before they wrote their first songs of any worth.
By learning other people's songs you learn the skills and techniques on the instrument and you learn the craft of songwriting.
Even songs you wouldn't normally like or listen to, if you learn to play them, you will learn so much about songs.
Playing songs is what it's all about (including, eventually your own) and is where the fun is at.
Everybody loves a song.

Hence the mantra ...
learn songs, learn songs, learn songs
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #176 on: June 10, 2016, 12:49:25 am »
Conor the chords progressions at the end of stages don't really count....and I'm not sure which videos you've been watching but Justin ALWAYS ( particularly in the early stages )shows the very simplest way to play the song ( usually with just down strums ). The "extra bits" you learn when you get more competent ( which is probably going to be weeks/months) down the line.
Okay, that makes sense, I didn't watch the full length of either video, so I suppose he may have clarified which parts that I should learn...  that's my bad, I should have watched the whole thing instead of judging too soon.. or just play what I can and leave out the extra bits and thanks for letting me know that the chord progressions don't count too!

also just to let you know, I watched (parts of) the videos for 'How to save a life' by the Fray (which had the big G chord) and 'Brown eyed girl' by Van morrison (which had the scary riff)

Not quite sure what you're referring to here, do you mean the chords listed in the practice schedules ? If so these are just the 1 minute changes exercise and each pair of chords is just one exercise. You may mean something else but whatever it is these are not songs, you need the 7th lesson in each stage "Easy Songs For Stage X"
Ok yeah, I will learn songs (I've said this a few times now lol, but I promise I will!) I'm learning from the beginner's book, just because I prefer it (except the song videos I have to go on the computer for), so maybe the chord progressions aren't on the online chorse - its just like at the end of each stage there is a set of chords that justin says to play with 4 beats per bar, so for example in stage 3 there is a progression: | G | C | D | Em |   and I've been playing those as substitute for songs, but no longer! Hope that clears up what I meant..

Fixed that for you.
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It's been said already ... learn songs, learn songs, learn songs ... (Thanks Toby)

Think of any great songwriter you admire.
Change that.
Think of any songwriter.
Estimate how many songs (not written by them) they have ever learned how to play.
It will likely number hundreds or thousands.
Think of Lennon & McCartney (some say the greatest songwriters ever).
They played hundreds of cover songs before they wrote their first songs of any worth.
By learning other people's songs you learn the skills and techniques on the instrument and you learn the craft of songwriting.
Even songs you wouldn't normally like or listen to, if you learn to play them, you will learn so much about songs.
Playing songs is what it's all about (including, eventually your own) and is where the fun is at.
Everybody loves a song.

Hence the mantra ...
learn songs, learn songs, learn songs
Thank you so much for writing that out, I feel so motivated now to learn songs :D I completely understand where you're coming from, you're right - where better to learn songwriting than from other songs (which have been written)? I think part of me feels like learning from other songs would take away the original-ness of whatever I create, but hopefully I can find my own style within these other songs just by experimenting and finding what I like.

I kind of wish Justin had put that mantra in the course somewhere, because I really had no idea that learning the songs is in essence the most important part of each stage, and just the process of learning... maybe it's supposed to be intuitive or obvious, but to me it seemed like the learning songs part was sort of just a bonus to keep you entertained in each stage :S how wrong i was lol

It's also kind of confusing because from what I have read when looking up how to learn piano is that you should learn the technique rather than just look up songs to play, to learn piano more thoroughly... although as I have just typed that out it has just hit me that the piano coursebook I've been using is filled with songs, with just a few exercises here and there... woow i'm stupid...


Anyway enough rambling, I can't thank everyone who responded enough, you've all helped a great deal!!! :* (and sorry for hogging this whole page of the thread haha)
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #177 on: June 10, 2016, 08:36:30 am »
Conor, do you have the beginners song book? if not then get it as this will make it easier to learn songs. Bear in mind some of the techniques Justin uses in those songs is to try and encourage you to practice what you're learning in each stage.

Brown eye girl riff is actually pretty tricky for a beginner (and there are probably easier versions for that riff on YT if you look) BUT you really don't need it to play that song. In the BSB you'll see Justin has an optional thing (you can just start the song by playing through verse chord G,C,G D) that'll be perfectly adequate for a start. Hey I was busking the other day and I certainly didn't bother with the riff.

How to save a life you can just play with a normal G. Again it would be nice to include the big G as it's good practice but not essential if you want to learn the song. I really didn't get comfortable with this until much later on.
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #178 on: June 10, 2016, 09:11:14 am »
Not quite sure what you're referring to here, do you mean the chords listed in the practice schedules ? If so these are just the 1 minute changes exercise and each pair of chords is just one exercise. You may mean something else but whatever it is these are not songs, you need the 7th lesson in each stage "Easy Songs For Stage X"

He means the chord sequences at the end of stages in the Beginner's Course book


I suggest Conor reads what Justin writes under the practice schedule on the next page re. moving on to the next stage ;)

And definitely get the Beginner's Songbook Volume 1.



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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #179 on: January 02, 2017, 06:51:41 pm »
Hi all

On stage 8 now, can play thorough the songs, Pretty fly for a white guy is playable but is very difficult. Can get through it though, should I be moving on to stage 9?



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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #180 on: January 02, 2017, 07:08:30 pm »
Personally, I was always working on songs 1 or two stages behind the stage I was learning. I found it took me that long to consolidate the new techniques well enough that I could apply them to a song, so I wouldn't let not being able to do songs for a specific stage hold you back.

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« Reply #181 on: January 03, 2017, 11:01:37 pm »
Go through the stage 8 practice schedule "Things To Remember"

https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-189-PRACTICEstage8.php

If you can do these, then move on. As m_c says don't worry about nailing songs for the stages you're learning techniques etc from. Its common for songs to lag a stage or two behind. Just pull it all together during consolidation (BC-199). My 2d.

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #182 on: January 08, 2017, 02:08:16 am »
Hey everyone, new to the forum. I started learning to play the guitar this week. I'm going through the BC series and was wondering when I should transition from stage one to stage two. Would it be when I get get one chord per second? I'm mainly having trouble with switching to D chord. I have to put my fingers down on at a time instead of simultaneously on the1st and second string

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« Reply #183 on: January 08, 2017, 03:22:55 am »
At the bottom of lesson BC-119 there is a section caled When to move on.
Justin has it all laid out for you.

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« Reply #184 on: January 08, 2017, 06:01:19 am »
Thanks stitch, did not see that before. I also have a question regarding the D string. When I change to D, I have to place one finger at a time because it's difficult to put down my middle finger. Do you know if I should focus on putting them all at the same time or continue on?

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« Reply #185 on: January 08, 2017, 08:03:31 am »
It takes time to get the change fast but if you practice the changes enough (don't give up trying) and start learning the songs in that stage it will come. It always improves when you star to play songs, Three little birds is a great start, well known and easy to learn, I found it gave me a great sense of achievement and inspired me to do more!
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« Reply #186 on: January 08, 2017, 09:49:54 am »
Azureworld welcome to the forum. Ultimately you will put your fingers down in one go but that'll be a long way off yet (think weeks/months. For now it's absolutely fine to put one finger at a time. Re-read Justin's lesson and take note about the concept of anchor fingers i.e. one finger goes down first then the others follow.

Out of the first three chords D is the hardest but give it a few weeks and you should be improving.
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« Reply #187 on: June 21, 2017, 05:44:55 pm »
Hello, new here. I hope I am posting this on the right topic. I have been doing stage 2 and I was wondering if I should move on to stage 3. I can do enough chord changes and can play 3 songs. But my ear training isn't going well. I was wondering if I should continue with stage 2 untill my ear can figure out the chord progressions or move on.

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« Reply #188 on: June 22, 2017, 01:07:15 pm »
Hello, new here. I hope I am posting this on the right topic. I have been doing stage 2 and I was wondering if I should move on to stage 3. I can do enough chord changes and can play 3 songs. But my ear training isn't going well. I was wondering if I should continue with stage 2 untill my ear can figure out the chord progressions or move on.

Tanks.

No, move on to stage 3 now.  Justin does recommend that you do the ear training, but in a way it is a separate learning path.  Many don't do the ear training at all... some don't do it until much later.  Justin suggests doing it as you go, but it shouldn't prevent you from moving on with the rest of the course.
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« Reply #189 on: June 25, 2017, 10:06:20 am »

Agree, move on.  I'm currently on stage 3, so many more song options with C and G chords.

I'm not focusing on ear training at this stage.


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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #190 on: July 04, 2017, 04:40:44 am »
  Hi!
 Justin is the BEST.  I know that's overused, but really - I've been a teacher for 35 years and he truly is one of the finest teachers I've seen.
  In any case, I am going through the beginner's course book and got to thinking - should I be playing every single song to complete the course?  I've been playing favorites as I go, but now am wondering if I should have been learning them all.  The thing is, it seemed to me that if I did learn them all (at least at the level I'm trying to do them) it's going to take more time than I could probably devote - until I retire...
  Please advise!
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« Reply #191 on: July 04, 2017, 06:00:41 am »
Hey Joe!!!
No there's definitely no need to do that, just a couple from each is sufficient to give you a repertoire.
But what is good to do is when you get to the consolidation stage run through them again updating the way you play them by adding the more sophisticated strumming patterns that you will have been learning or maybe putting your own spin on them.
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« Reply #192 on: July 04, 2017, 06:10:45 am »
Hey Joe ....

(Sorry, couldn't resist  :) )

Darrell is spot on ...

I have taken a sneak peak at the consolidation lesson, the last lesson of BC that lists down what you should be able to do and it says you should be able to play ten songs.  Playing a song means right through, no breaks, steady timing with a metronome and that your selection should ideally showcase all the various techniques and skills learned through the Beginner Course.  It is not explicit as to whether you should be able to remember all the chord progressions, though I suppose with enough practise this will probably be the case. Also being able to sing it as you play it is not a specific requirement.

My approach is the same as yours ... to pick a few songs at each stage that I know and can sing - as I go I aim to record and post some of these songs to track progress, get feedback and (more importantly) encouragement - that exercise the lessons of the stage and finally demonstrate (to myself) that I am good to progress.

So I say "thumbs up" !!  Keep doing what you're doing  :)

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« Reply #193 on: July 04, 2017, 06:34:22 am »
  Wow, I'm SHOCKED that I got a reply so fast!
 Thanks so much guys.  It really helped - I've been wondering for months!  Too chicken to post.
 I have another burning question that's causing me a real issue, and I don't know if this is the place to ask.
  I have ALWAYS had a very hard time singing songs I've enjoyed over my life.  I  L O V E music.  The trouble is that every artist I want to sing to - the songs are sung too high for me (60's stuff, Beatles (my first love), McCartney, Moody Blues, America, Alan Parsons, Tears for Fears (especially)...  It's really the PITS. 
  Am I stuck? Can I learn to sing higher? Can I find a way to sing lower?  I don't want to ruin the sound of the original recording - I like to sound like the original.
  So...  Is this the place to ask?  Or should I post my questions elsewhere?
   Thanks again,
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« Reply #194 on: July 04, 2017, 07:11:35 am »
Get yourself a Capo and adjust the key to suit your voice, just play the open chords in a different place on the neck - remember the your looking for a suitable key so may not need to strum all of the strings.
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« Reply #195 on: July 04, 2017, 07:19:23 am »
Oh yes, lots of people who L O V E music and guitar like you, Joe, and people active from Australia to the USA ... so not unusual to get quick response.

And no need to be chicken ... this Community is super helpful, incredibly supportive and encouraging.  Any trolling is dealt with swiftly.  So the only stupid question is the unasked question really does apply here.  And the answers are usually helpful and accurate ... and if inaccurate, somebody else quickly corrects  :)

I'd say, when in doubt post a question in General Questions section. 

I'm a beginner myself and no expert on singing, so have vague ideas about your question on singing.  I think you could transpose songs into a different key and in so doing be able to match it to your vocal range.  But the chords might get quite tricky ... not our beginner friendly open chords.

Then there is the use of the capo.  Then you can play the same chord shapes but have changed the pitch/key.  I have no idea if this strategy could be used to lower the pitch.

Quite sure with training that you could improve your singing.  I have no idea to what extent one can broaden your range but imagine with training it would get broader.  I feel that just through singing as I play my singing has improved and range is getting better ... I think.

Have you tried the Gary Jules version of Mad World in Beginner Songbook stage 3?  I don't think I sing that high (or low) and can manage that ... not Tears for Fears but still  :)

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« Reply #196 on: July 04, 2017, 07:30:00 am »
Beginner guitarist and amateur singer here. Absolutely get a capo and experiment. For each fret it's on, the key is raised one half step. At some point it should be high enough so that you can sing an octave lower than you would have before. Does that make sense?

But that won't help if what you really want is to sing along with the original. Regular singing lessons, or just regular singing will increase your range somewhat, but especially make your voice more stable at the edges of your range. You'll find lots of voice warmups and exercises on the net, try googling "vocal range exercises". 
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« Reply #197 on: July 04, 2017, 07:38:04 am »
Beginner guitarist and amateur singer here. Absolutely get a capo and experiment. For each fret it's on, the key is raised one half step. At some point it should be high enough so that you can sing an octave lower than you would have before. Does that make sense?
Ah-ha ... now I get it ... I have been wondering how going higher as you go up the neck would help one sing lower  ??? 

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« Reply #198 on: July 04, 2017, 07:50:49 am »
Ah-ha ... now I get it ... I have been wondering how going higher as you go up the neck would help one sing lower  ??? 

Thanks Laila !!
Spot on Laila, and David remember you don't have to play all of the strings - or you could use power chords.
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« Reply #199 on: July 04, 2017, 08:30:35 am »
David remember you don't have to play all of the strings - or you could use power chords.
Hmmm ... not sure I get how that would help.  Haven't got to power chords yet ... will have to experiment when I get there  :)

 

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