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« Reply #150 on: February 29, 2016, 12:36:07 am »
Hi Seek and good to see you joining the community. 43 here and I've been playing since last November using Justin's course exclusively.

I'm your age and just picking it up.  Would love to know how you're doing now. I am ready to get going and have a good time learning.

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« Reply #151 on: February 29, 2016, 09:26:41 am »
Hi Das, That was a post from long ago but as you'll see I'm still pretty active on here and still learning to play working my way through the final stages of IM. To be honest having completed the BC at the end of 2014 I spent a lot of 2015 consolidating, learning more songs and generally getting more comfortable with the guitar WHILST also starting the IM. I'm about to launch into the last couple of stages of IM with a target to complete by end of year (or perhaps earlier) before I then start Blues rhythm and lead.

If you actually want to LISTEN to where I've come from and where I am now you're welcome to listen to my soundcloud posts (link below in my signature block). There are a lot of tracks now...but I think my earliest is three little birds on there which I think I posted on here 4-5 months in....and mainly that was because it was only at that point that I was starting to play and sing and felt confident enough to post.
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« Reply #152 on: April 09, 2016, 05:42:55 pm »
I am on stage 4 now. How many songs should I learn for each stage? Should I be able to sing and play most of the songs by now? I can play the songs but having a hard time to sing at the same time.

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« Reply #153 on: April 09, 2016, 06:27:09 pm »
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Singing and playing is not mandatory but nice if you can do it. I still struggle and I've just finished the IM !!
Learning the songs from each stage is not a measure of when to move on to the next. In fact its fairly common to be working on songs 1, 2 or 3 stages back from where you're learning new techniques. The important things is to have a good grasp of the items from each stage, competent 1 minute changes and all the new chords ringing clear. That's when to move on but keep on learning songs as you go and improving your technique. In the BC consolidation Justin says you should know 10 songs start to finish covering all the stages, so its up to you at the end of the day. Personally I think I worked on 4 or 5 per stage but have gone back to learn others and am still working my way through all of the Beginners Song Book No 1 (and have Book 2 to start.......................and the Rock Song Book ).

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« Reply #154 on: April 09, 2016, 07:26:22 pm »
Thank You TobyJenner

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« Reply #155 on: April 10, 2016, 06:18:40 am »
In my case I got to about stage 5 before I tried any songs at all. I just couldn't get into 3 little birds. I would just focus on chord changes, getting them fast enough to include them in songs. I'm on stage 9 now and I concentrate a lot on songs. I find this helps my rhythm, strumming, chord changes. I still can't sing and play though. In fact I don't think I've sung for 40 years! I guess throat muscles  weaken without use just like arm and leg muscles, so now my range is about one octave. I think I might need singing lessons to remedy that.


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« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2016, 07:28:02 pm »
Hello,

I've been noodling the guitar for like 2 years now and have ordered myself the book and taken action to get into the guitar more seriously. I can play most chords from the beginners book ( except the dreaded F of course I'm struggling with hehe) and when I learn songs, I can mostly play them alright, not perfectly but with practise it'll be good. But then.. when I try to sing and play, it' s just horrible. My wife laughs at me when I try it.. I just hope I'll get there and can achieve it but at this moment it just feels like I should leave the singing part aside ( although I really want to learn it ). Anyone else struggles with this or is it just me? Some advise would be great cheers in advance for your replies.

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« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2016, 08:09:30 pm »
Slabo

Given what you've said about your experience I'd recommend you work through Justin's Beginner's course. There's loads of technique there. over and above basic chords that will help develop your playing, then move on to the Intermediate Modules.

Regards singing and playing, some find it easier than others but you need to have both the song (on guitar) and the lyrics nailed. FWIW I'm still struggling to do this but I have a huge confidence issue with my own vocals but I'm slowly getting there.

This lesson from Justin will give you all the steps and tips to sing and play.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TE-401-SingingAndPlaying.php

Good luck and welcome to the forum  ;D

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« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2016, 08:48:21 pm »
Not just you.  Working through that issue myself and have been playing for about a year with Justin's BC.  Hoping it will come around.  Going to try singing over a recorded track of me playing first I think.  :)


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« Reply #159 on: April 18, 2016, 08:53:44 pm »
Slabo, as Toby said some find it easier than others. Pick a - simple - song you really like and get the playing off pat. Separately get the song up on YT and practice singing to it ( no playing )until you know the words and rythm off pat and you are comfortable singing it without backing track. Back to playing, do it slowly and try to hum the song as you play. Just doing that engages the vocal and playing. When your comfortable with that try playing and singing if necessary a line at a time. It will be stilted to start with but you will slowly get more comfortable.

I find it easy to play and sing mostly but when im learning a tricky song where the chords and vocals dont sit so easily together its the approach I take. Im learning Kelli Scarr Come Back To Me at the moment.  Its relatively simple fingerstyle but getting the vocal to work has been hard. Fast Car was similar I had to get the playing completely automatic then learn it line by line for the first verse
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« Reply #160 on: April 19, 2016, 08:31:34 pm »
Alright thanks guys!

Got the marley - 3 little birds song under the knee now :) and struggling on presleys thats all right, but its all right i'll get there! :) and feels good to be in the community having way too much fun on guitar why oh why did I not do this when I was a kid!


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« Reply #161 on: April 30, 2016, 11:49:14 pm »
hi I feel the same there I am 59 now I had picked a guitar up about three years ago,  the mistake I made was trying to us the game Rock-smith 2013 I feel that has slowed me right down, I was doing OK till I started that game with the big idea that I was going to learn songs faster than the normal tried route,  but getting back to what you said I do wish that I'd started years ago, but I bought Justin's beginner course and that has sat in my drawer for about two of the three years that I have mucked on.

I have a friend that has learned me lots on power chords so the time that I have hasn't been totally wasted am now just going to stick in hard to the books and will go from there.

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« Reply #162 on: June 05, 2016, 06:20:46 pm »
Really don't know where to post this so I'll try it here- the moderators can move or remove if necessary: I've just read in the newsletter about the possible grading system and think it's a great idea, I just wonder if Justin will start running exams (which I imagine would be resource-hungry) or if there will be some kind of self assessment? I do find that having goals helps me both progress and stay motivated...

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« Reply #163 on: June 05, 2016, 08:00:55 pm »
Hi I'm on stage 3, and I'm just wandering if anyone could answer a few (or just whatever you can answer) questions? Thankyou!

1: I am not using a pick, just my fingers, and I don't really know what to do on the up-strum with my hand. On down strums I kind of just brush my first 2 or 3 fingers along the strings, and if I'm playing a particular string I just use my thumb or index finger... but on up strums I find it difficult, I can't use my fingers as my nails are angled the wrong way so it doesn't ring out when i play, and I try to use my thumbnail, but i find that I seem to strum too lightly on some strings and too hard on others. Just wandering if I'm doing anything wrong or should I just keep practicing and work out my own way or something?

To be honest that's the most important question ^^^ but here are 3 extra ones:

2: When I'm practicing the rhythm guitar basics (#1) (the strumming techniques) am I supposed to be trying it with different chord patterns or just any chord or just open strings?

3: Should I be using the strumming pattern from that (with the up-strum after the 3rd beat) in songs and chord sequences or no?

4: On a G chord for some reason my 3rd finger bends inwards on the joint above the nail, (so rather than it curving outwards it curves inwards.) If I don't do that then it's hard to get enough pressure on the string to make the sound, so should I keep doing the weird creased pinkie thing, or try and changed it to a nicer, curved finger?

Thankyou for your help (if anybody does)!!!! :)
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« Reply #164 on: June 05, 2016, 08:15:00 pm »
Question 1 - I used a pick from day one but have taught myself just to use my thumb (mainly to reduce volume at night). It works fine and has its place in certain songs BUT it's very forgiving I.e. Your technique mistakes aren't as obvious. I think you'll also struggle with more complicated patterns later on. Learn to use a pick.

Q2 focus on the pattern with just the most comfortable chord to start with. As you get comfortable with try switching between chords.

Q3 Justin recommends just using down strums early on when learning songs. If you have the BSB he'll recommend patterns that you can try later on if you like.

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« Reply #165 on: June 09, 2016, 03:57:29 pm »
Hi, I'm wandering if I should move on to stage 4 or not...

I tried it today, but I felt like maybe I had gone ahead too soon maybe?

I've been on stage 3 for a week, at least 30 mins a day. I can do all the changes with C and G at 30 per minute or up to 45 if I'm less careful getting all of the chords perfect (I don't know if I should be able to do more before I move on?). I did the listening chord thing and I managed to get them all right except 1. I can do the strumming rhythm thing easily, I can do the finger excersise easily too.

But on stage 4 it just seemed like a big jump.. like I found it hard to mute the E string on the G7 and B7 while simultaneously playing the A string.. and the A mini-barre chord hurt my finger too and justin didn't mention that, so I feel like I'm doing something wrong? and also on the rhythm basics part, he said 'if you can do 60 changes per minute' refering to the A E and D chords, but i tried and I can only do that between the E and D, so I'm wandering if maybe I've rushed through the first 3 stages :s

So if anyone could give me some perspective it would help a lot! Thank you

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« Reply #166 on: June 09, 2016, 04:30:59 pm »
You never said anything about playing songs. If you can't play at least a few songs from stage
1 and 2 then you're not ready.
The whole point of the Beginner Course is to learn how to play the guitar. To many people get
caught up in learn chords and scales and forget to apply them to songs. 

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« Reply #167 on: June 09, 2016, 06:33:43 pm »
Where's Close when you need him? ;)

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« Reply #168 on: June 09, 2016, 06:55:39 pm »
Where's Close when you need him? ;)

Learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs............ 8)

You rang?

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« Reply #169 on: June 09, 2016, 07:25:05 pm »
@ Conor

Two concerns...

The first has already been addressed by others. You should be doing the course with the goal of creating music. Your goal shouldn't be completing the exercises as quickly possible, the goal should be to use the exercises as tools to help you make music.

Don't complete a stage without working on songs from that stage. You don't have to work on every song, you don't even have to get every song 100% performance ready.

Second concern, you may be completing stages before you're ready. In particular, I don't think you should complete a stage, especially the early stages, if you can't do 60 (decent, not perfect) changes per minute.

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« Reply #170 on: June 09, 2016, 08:47:08 pm »
@ jtbrown1
Thank you that's really helpful :)

I think I'll head back to stage 1 or 2 then, and start learning songs (I got the message lol)

My main motivation for learning guitar is to create my own songs, and I guess I feel like I need to know a range of chords and techniques to be able to make a colourful song, so that's why I wanted to speed ahead... but you've reminded me that learning songs is still making music in a sense, so thanks for that!


Also on a side note do you know at what point in the do you start learning how to play things other than chords like riffs(?) and apeggios(?) and stuff like that (sorry I don't know the correct terms), is that part of the beginners course, or is that more advanced? I always imagined before I started this course that chords would come after the individual notes, because I'm in a piano course I'm learning from thats the order.. but maybe chords are more basic learning in guitar?
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« Reply #171 on: June 09, 2016, 08:51:39 pm »
Where's Close when you need him? ;)

Learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs, learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs,learn songs, play songs............ 8)
I did almost learn 2 songs in stage 3, but in both of the videos Justin made, he added extra stuff I hadn't learnt yet like riffs and a big G chord, and I lost motivation :s

But I'll go for it again thanks!

Also could I ask, do the chord sequences at the end of the stages count as songs in your opinion, or are they too basic?

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« Reply #172 on: June 09, 2016, 09:38:06 pm »
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My main motivation for learning guitar is to create my own songs,

The best way to write your own songs is to learn song you like and in the style of music
that you like to listen to.
There is more to writing than throwing some random chords together. Not all chords like each other.

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« Reply #173 on: June 09, 2016, 09:56:58 pm »
Conor the chords progressions at the end of stages don't really count....and I'm not sure which videos you've been watching but Justin ALWAYS ( particularly in the early stages )shows the very simplest way to play the song ( usually with just down strums ). The "extra bits" you learn when you get more competent ( which is probably going to be weeks/months) down the line.
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« Reply #174 on: June 09, 2016, 10:24:44 pm »
Also could I ask, do the chord sequences at the end of the stages count as songs in your opinion, or are they too basic?

Not quite sure what you're referring to here, do you mean the chords listed in the practice schedules ? If so these are just the 1 minute changes exercise and each pair of chords is just one exercise. You may mean something else but whatever it is these are not songs, you need the 7th lesson in each stage "Easy Songs For Stage X"

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