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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #125 on: October 06, 2014, 12:02:52 pm »
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We are all naturally different at learning, so here's a possible worst case scenario. I started the BC back in Feb/Mar 2013 hit a bit of a wall with Stage 6  (started 6 in November) and the F chord, went on to stage 7 July ish this year. Then lost my way a bit and have just regrouped working back from the BS 1 exercises. I'm probably a bit different to most folk starting the BC, as I actually started playing 18 years ago and kinda dropped off after a few years. But I never learnt the so important foundation of rythm playing, that you are learning here. With me I'm probably too methodical and want to get everything 100% (try anyway) and a bit of Analysis Paralysis as Justin calls it.

So don't worry if you don't complete the BC in a few months or a year. Just take your time building a really strong base for the future. That way you'll stick with it for life  8)   
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #126 on: October 06, 2014, 01:15:59 pm »
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I think that's a good question even though most of us have different goals and timelines in mind when we start the BC. For me, I found that learning and practicing the skill set in each stage went faster until I started applying those skills to playing songs.  Applying the new skills is taking longer for me than learning them did.  I have been working through the BC for 4 months and I am learning to play a stage 3 song.  Since I want to be able to play several simple songs by the time I finish the BC, I see it taking me much longer than a year to finish all the stages.

But again, the time it takes depends on each person and their goals.
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #127 on: October 06, 2014, 03:17:28 pm »
I've been playing for over two years and haven't "completed" the BC. I've done every lesson but am in the middle of consolidating everything taught and making sure I have it down by focusing on my weaknesses and incorporating what I've learned into a bunch of songs. During the summer I set a goal to complete the BC by the end of the year. I could get there, but really the milestone is so subjective that I'm not sure it matters anymore. It really is a journey and as long as I get better and enjoy playing then I'm good. When I'm ready to be challenged further or get bored, I'll dive into the intermediate course.


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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #128 on: October 06, 2014, 04:40:58 pm »
I finished the Beginners course within 5 months most stages took 1 week- 2 weeks to finish it just depended on how easily I could get some things. Then again I was practicing each day for 2 hours a day so that's why I ended up finishing it so quickly.
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #129 on: October 06, 2014, 04:45:56 pm »
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So don't worry if you don't complete the BC in a few months or a year. Just take your time building a really strong base for the future. That way you'll stick with it for life  8)


I agree  it really sticks with you, and once you leave the beginners course you'll have a strong foundation in your guitar playing. I would of never have been able to get myself to an advanced level if I didn't have that strong foundation.

 Once you get to the intermediate course you'll learn how important it is what has been taught in the beginners course. It just transitions from different levels of playing the basics of subdividing of beats, and what not the strumming patterns they've all carried on through out my journey through every style I've learnt.
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #130 on: October 07, 2014, 12:14:34 pm »
Thanks everyone! I think I'm going to put my goal down as a year. I like to have a goal in mind even if I don't quite make it.

Today is day 5 and I can make all the notes sound on the first three cords about 80-90% of the time, compared to zero on day one.


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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #131 on: October 07, 2014, 02:23:34 pm »
A year sounds a good target BadOmega so go for it. Sounds like you're making good progress.

I think it gets more difficult to stick to BC around that stage 6/7 when - probably - you're getting competent enough to start playing quite a few songs that sound ok with stuff from Stage 1-5 and therefore you get a bit distracted PLUS at Stage 6 I think things ramp up a bit not in the context of necessarily understanding what needs to be done just the sheer practice that is needed to get things like the F Chord, Bass strum, Pentatonic scale, Power Chords and 12 bar blues right, confident and smooth. I'm stage 8 and I have to keep dragging myself away from songs to focus on practice......BUT I will get there.
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #132 on: October 07, 2014, 03:31:24 pm »
A year sounds a good target BadOmega so go for it. Sounds like you're making good progress.

I think it gets more difficult to stick to BC around that stage 6/7 when - probably - you're getting competent enough to start playing quite a few songs that sound ok with stuff from Stage 1-5 and therefore you get a bit distracted PLUS at Stage 6 I think things ramp up a bit not in the context of necessarily understanding what needs to be done just the sheer practice that is needed to get things like the F Chord, Bass strum, Pentatonic scale, Power Chords and 12 bar blues right, confident and smooth. I'm stage 8 and I have to keep dragging myself away from songs to focus on practice......BUT I will get there.

I remember when I was a beginner I really struggle with that B,D,U pattern it must of been one of the most challenging strumming patterns I had to get down just being on that beginner skill level. The F barre chord is definitely going to take a while to get down as you're not really focused on it that much in the beginners course, but as soon as you get into the intermediate course things really start to get sticky.   I only started to get the barre chords down until I dived into the intermediate course which includes 16th note strumming patterns and E, and A shape barre chords with triads


. That's when the real challenge starts with those barre chords, but in due time if you're diligent with your practice you should get them down. Barre chords for me are like playing open chords they're just super easy to do in fact I feel like it's much easier to slide the barre chord shapes down instead of strumming open chords. It might be due to the fact that i'm lazy, but barre chords open up a whole new door for your playing so it's definitely worth it to get down.

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #133 on: October 07, 2014, 08:31:37 pm »
The whole BC (at stage 3 right now) feels like a roller-coaster to me, some days it feels like I have my chord changes in my fingers, fast forward 2 days and i feel like all my chord changes that went so well 2 day ago now all sound muffled and messy. It drives me crazy, but i guess it just means I have to practice more before moving to the next stage :-/ especially the darn C-G changes are still too much hit and miss to justify to move to the next stage, at least it means it will take a long time before I have to deal with the dreaded F chord.
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #134 on: October 07, 2014, 09:00:23 pm »
Oh my gosh, you guys are scaring me. I will need to do what? To when? And how?

I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there. For now, task at hand.


I think it gets more difficult to stick to BC around that stage 6/7 when - probably - you're getting competent enough to start playing quite a few songs that sound ok with stuff from Stage 1-5 and therefore you get a bit distracted

I can see getting distracted. After all, we're here for the music, right?

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #135 on: October 07, 2014, 09:11:52 pm »
There's nothing to be scared of. Someone once said that if you could learn to drive a car and pass a driving test, you could learn to play an instrument and read music. And you don't need a safety belt.

Just follow Justin's course, and stick to the practice schedules he gives you as you go through the stages. In the first few stages, he tells you when you should move on, and later on you'll get to feel it for yourself. Don't worry too much about how long it takes: in fact it's probably best to hold yourself back a bit, rather than rushing into the next stage and having to go back and do it again. But whatever you do, the lessons will still be there, and all of us here are convinced that they work.

(I'm still cycling through the BC after just over a year, although I have taken a peek at the Intermediate).
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #136 on: October 07, 2014, 09:19:40 pm »
Oh my gosh, you guys are scaring me. I will need to do what? To when? And how?

I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there. For now, task at hand.

Just take it one step at a time. Justin has a great method laid out in the BC, and if you follow it step by step you will soon find that many of those things which seem impossible now won't be nearly as daunting when you get there. It's all about building that foundation.

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #137 on: October 09, 2014, 12:58:49 pm »
The whole time Iwas holding the pick wrong. I always heard a scratching on the string. I bet you can here this on my songs I upluaded

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #138 on: October 09, 2014, 03:07:16 pm »

The whole time Iwas holding the pick wrong. I always heard a scratching on the string. I bet you can here this on my songs I upluaded

Oh no! At least you figured it out and can fix it.


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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #139 on: October 09, 2014, 03:23:36 pm »
the only problem I have is that I often drop the pick and I may get me a Thumbpick.
If I would be lefthanded it wouldn't happen.

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #140 on: October 13, 2014, 09:11:56 pm »
Hi guys new to the forum and finding the beginners course very enjoyable. I've had the guitar for about 6 weeks now and was wondering on average it took people to move stage by stage. Sorry if this has been asked before but couldn't find answers. 


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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #141 on: October 13, 2014, 09:22:03 pm »
Hi toffeeman,

First off, welcome to the forum!

The time it takes per stage varies quite a bit depending on both the individual and which stage they are working on. I'd say anywhere from a couple weeks to a couple months is normal, but it's been a while since I worked through the BC so I can't remember personally how long it took.

It also depends on how long you practice each day. My recommendation would be to make sure you aren't trying to rush through the course and that you feel confident with the material before moving on. If there's one thing that you're really stuck on, go ahead and move on but keep that lesson in your practice routine during the next stage(s) until you get it down.

Finally, try not to worry about how long it *should* take per stage. As long as you are thorough and take the time to learn things properly, you'll have a solid foundation for your playing. Hope this helps!

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #142 on: October 14, 2014, 11:42:51 pm »
Hi mike thanks for the reply back .  I'm in the middle of stage 2 and getting used to using the metronome and foot tapping.  I'm just taking my time and I'll know when to move on. I already know the C and G chords so that will give me a start on stage 3.


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« Reply #143 on: October 15, 2014, 12:30:04 am »
I remember the first couple stages being very difficult because everything is brand new and I had no foundation to build on. The next couple stages weren't too bad, mainly just trying to get used to the tricky fingerings (like B7 - I still avoid open B7 chords like the plague!).

Stage 6 will introduce the F barre chord. Fun times... and lots of frustration!

But once you do manage to complete the BC I can guarantee that you will feel a huge sense of accomplishment and will probably be surprised at how much you've actually learned!

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #144 on: November 05, 2014, 04:03:03 pm »
Stage 6 will introduce the F barre chord. Fun times... and lots of frustration!

It's not a bad idea to have a look at the first part of the intermediate course either when learning the F (E shape) barre chord, since the first fret is actually the hardest place to play it.  It also gives you some insight into WHY you are spending so much time working on that one chord.  It's the foundation for so many different barre chords you'll be learning, all of which can be moved up and down the neck.  It really opens up a lot of possibilities in your playing.

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #145 on: December 05, 2014, 09:51:03 pm »
I'm just feeling like I've put myself in a bad learning stage and hoping someone could help me here. When I first started to play guitar, it was because I heard the song Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd and I felt like I had no choice but to learn it on my guitar I never really messed with, so I did from the youtube guitar lesson video from Martysongs (or whatever). Now I can play the whole song with the solo in between the slow picking at the start and everything. Now I've come to this website (which I think is awesome) and learned Wanted: Dead or Alive - Bon Jovi from Justin's video lesson and can play everything he taught on that video of the song. I know other little riffs but those are the only full songs I can play. Now I'm wanting to learn how to transcribe songs, but don't know whether I should learn a song or 2 from each part of the beginners course 1st or start trying to transcribe easy songs from the beginners course. I know if I watched a video from the beginners course it wouldn't take me long at all to learn a song, but I just don't feel like I know enough yet to start to working out songs on my own. If someone could give me some advice on this I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.

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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #146 on: December 05, 2014, 09:59:31 pm »
Start with the Beginner Course. The stuff yo already know you will get throw quickly. The stuff you don't
know, well there's no time like the present to learn it. Justin has layed out the BC to teach you more
than just how to play songs it will teach you proper practice methods and most importantly how to
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #147 on: December 12, 2014, 06:57:11 pm »
the only problem I have is that I often drop the pick and I may get me a Thumbpick.
If I would be lefthanded it wouldn't happen.

I know this is an old post but in order to help others who may be having this problem I will try to address it from my perspective.

Don't go to a thumb pick if you're having trouble with holding the pick.  If need be go back to Justin's advice and instructions on how to hold the pick and to use it.  I haven't reviewed that portion of the lessons because I've been playing a long time.  But my pick used to fly out of my hands all the time when I was first learning, sometimes the thing would fly into the sound hole. LOL.  To this day sometimes the pick will turn sideways on me if I'm really getting with it.

A thumb pick is typically a much harder pick and harder to strum and pick with.  They are for finger picking and make terrible strumming picks, although I have seen professionals do some strumming with them.  But wile the pick won't fly away from you, you will find they are much harder to strum with.
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Re: What to learn next? Should I move to the next stage? etc etc.
« Reply #148 on: February 15, 2015, 09:21:14 pm »
I have been learning guitar for about year and a half with justins books. The main points I learnt are to practice whatever stage your at (eg. open chords A,D,E) as much as possible and you will know when you ready to move to the next stage, but to also keep practicing those chords changes, you can never get too good or practice too much. If you dont know what i mean now, you will in time. The guitar is definitely a journey of discovery. Hope this helps

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« Reply #149 on: March 01, 2015, 06:59:26 pm »
I've been learning for three weeks. Time yourself as recommended as to how many cord changes you can make in a minute. Did it for the first time today managed 60. Couldn't believe it. If you use Justin's mile stones i.e the targets he recommends then you should be fine. I've also started recording myself using my phones voice memo function. Keep plugging away at it I'm sure you'll get there  :)

 

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