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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2012, 05:49:49 am »
I have to play at the nursing home this sunday, and one of the songs goes from C to Dm, Blessed Assurance, maybe not the music you listen to (in all honesty I'm bored with it myself but the old folks seem to like it) point is I'm in the middle of doing C-Dm 1 min changes. Ya might not like the chord but it does come up once in awhile.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2012, 08:18:37 pm »
Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me out with a problem I have been having...

It seems that I can«t find enough strenth on my index finger to press down that e string on the 1st fret and keep it down...

Can some one help me out? Thanks! oh and sorry for my poor english.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2012, 10:11:49 pm »
It may not be your strength that's the problem.


What kind of guitar do you play?

How high is the action (the space between the strings and the frets)?

How long have you been playing?

Can you play an E chord or Amin chord or are those difficult for you too?


That 3-fret stretch can be difficult, it could be the cause of why you have problems with Dmin. But it could also be your guitar set-up or just a lack of experience.


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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2012, 01:12:15 am »
It may not be your strength that's the problem.


What kind of guitar do you play?

How high is the action (the space between the strings and the frets)?

How long have you been playing?

Can you play an E chord or Amin chord or are those difficult for you too?


That 3-fret stretch can be difficult, it could be the cause of why you have problems with Dmin. But it could also be your guitar set-up or just a lack of experience.

I'm playing a classical bluebird, I dont find any dificulty with the E chord and the A minor that's why I find it odd... I'm rather a newbie since I only really picked up this old guitar about 2 months ago, but I've been improving quite well besides that d minor, it's not the placement of the fingers that's the problem neither the stretch it's just I cant find a way to keep my 1st finger holding that string down properly.

Don't know about the action I guess it's normal.

But probably yeah it's lack of experience I will keep working on it and see where it takes me :)

I apreciated your help thanks very much :)

P.S: Basicly to keep that finger down I'm forcing my thumb from the back of the guitar pretty much and it doesn't seem to help that much! But if I play a girl like you with the capo on the 3rd fret i don't have any trouble actually I don't hassle with it

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2012, 01:23:36 am »
So I assume that means you have no problem just fretting the first string first fret note?

A thing to try:

Try just the first and second strings of the chord.  Still a problem?

Try just the first and third strings.  Still a problem?

If you try this chord do you still experience the problem:

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Trying to break it down and see where/when the F note starts to be a problem.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2012, 02:45:44 am »
I find it a lot easier to avoid muting the high E string if I use the 1-2-4 fingering as opposed to the 1-2-3 fingering. With the 1-2-3 fingering, I am muting the high string quite a bit.

However, this makes the change to A (one of Justin's recommended changes) harder, as there is no anchor. I just started working on Dmin--should I use the 1-2-3 to make the change easier, or stick with the 1-2-4 for better accuracy? Both fingerings work for me, but I'd like to practice the better one for the long term. Any advice, pro players?

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2012, 07:22:54 am »
My take on this: if you're muting the highe string in a Dmin chord, there something wrong with your finger/hand position. MAybe your hand is too far behind the beck or you put your finger on too flat, or you're not really using your fingertips. Try to fix that. It's easy to say "hey, I'll just use another finger", but that won't solve the problem. Stick with Justin's recommendation and get it to work.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2012, 08:07:40 pm »
Whoa whoa whoa--since when is Jack a "pro player"?  ;D

He's right--stick with the pinky and 1-2-4. It's an uncooperative little bugger but you have to learn to use it because it just gets more and more and more important in other chords later on, not to mention scales and improvisation.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2012, 06:20:15 am »
Had the same stretch/placement problem as everyone else…if fingers were placed down in the order 1-2-3 then 1-2 was fine but couldn't get 3 to stretch to the third fret.  If the placement order was 3-2-1..the same problem getting finger 2 to move away from finger 3…fingers 2 and 3 just wanted to stay too close together.  However, the 1-3 stretch for Dm was easy and finger 2 then just seemed to settle in the right place on fret two.  It turns out it was easier to use finger 1 to pull finger 2 into position than it was trying to push either finger 2 or finger 3 into position (depending whether you anchored finger one of finger three first). Using the 1-3 with 2 following approach also helped in moving from Dm to both E, Am and A (to some extent) as I had a lot more control over 1-3 movements and 2 just naturally took up the right position for those chords.  As finger 2 followed so closely behind…it did not take much more practice for all three fingers to land, pretty much, at the same time on their respective string/fret.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2012, 10:37:14 pm »
This one is a real pain for one minute changes but its nice to see I'm not the only one struggling!

On a completely different topic does anyone else notice that if you play each string slowly it kind of sounds like the start of Moonlight Sonata or is it just me?

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2012, 11:17:19 pm »
Good ear. Moonlight Sonata is actually a Dbm so your only one semi tone off. You could transpose it
up on semi tone to Dm and learn how to play it.

(Edit)
Here you go I found a version in Dm

http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/l/ludwig_van_beethoven/moonlight_sonata_ver3_tab.htm 

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2014, 10:49:43 am »
Hey folks,

how is it going? I just wanted to show you how I developed within the last couple of days.
I think it is obvious that Dm is killing me :-). I don't know how you cope with it, but i keep pushing especially the Dm. I still feel the tension between finger 2 and 3 when doing Dm :-).


      
Day            1    4

Am to E   26   46
Am to Dm   11   19
A to Dm   14   15
E to D   42   67
Em to D   28   63
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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2014, 11:14:47 am »
I was also struggling with Dmin. When starting stage 2 I planned to spend three weeks on it. Dmin made me practicing stage 2 for 6 weeks. Changing from Amin to Dmin in particular was killing me.

Fortunately I can do 60 1 minute changes now.

Keep on practicing!

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2014, 11:17:26 am »
@FPS
Wow, sounds very nice :-). So I have to push than. But did you do 6 weeks nothing else than just doing the chord change or have you moved to stage 3 meanwhile?

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2014, 11:35:00 am »
I spent six weeks on all the stuff of stage 2 with an daily extra practice session for the Dmin chord.

Playing "Girl like you" was a major pain for me. So what I did for instance was to put on the metronome and strummed the chord changes for 5 minutes. I started with slow bpm. Doing that really helped me to get that change from Amin to Dmin smooth and clean, which I never thought I would be able to.

I moved on two stage 3 on Monday.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2014, 11:38:16 am »
Thank you for this help. I will try a similar approach. My chord changes are not that clean, but by far better than at the beginning. Since the 1 min change is all about speed, taking care about a super perfect sound is not the major priority during this exercise.

How long have you practiced per day within the last six weeks?

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2014, 01:43:24 pm »
Since the 1 min change is all about speed, taking care about a super perfect sound is not the major priority during this exercise.

Don't forget to place equal prioriy on the 'strum - pick - strum' exercise for each chord which *is* about getting a good, clear sound. (It would probably help with your A-E change, too.)

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2014, 02:37:36 pm »
Hey misterg,

I already take care about this. But thank you for your tip! :-)
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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2014, 10:55:16 am »
Ya, Dm is a real struggle, particularly with speed.  I find my middle finger sometimes wants to involuntarily lay flat or try to kick out my ring finger by sliding into the third fret.  It's the strangest thing cause no amount of concentration that will make it obey.  One thing that I just tried that is helping is concentrating on putting less pressure on the chord, just enough to make it sound right.  This re-focus on not gripping the chord to hard got my Dm 1-minute changes from an average of 20/min - 30/min which is still about half of the average of my other changes.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2014, 09:49:25 pm »
This is the 1st tough one.

I have been working at it for a few weeks.  I have the Dm and all changes through Stage 3 to over 50. 

A couple issues though.

I noticed on 1 minute changes with Dm, I will "limp" kind of.  It will sound like:  Dm..A.............Dm...A........Dm...A..........  is that an issue? 

Also when Im doing 1 minute changes with Dm only, I notice my thumb likes to shift along the neck as opposed to staying relatively vertical on the back.  Is this an issue?

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2014, 09:54:33 pm »
You should do your changes with a metronome and try and keep them consistent. Everyone one has
trouble at first with keeping time and it will come with time it's just something to be aware of.

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2014, 07:41:39 pm »
Ah yes. 

I think I like that.  Thanks. 

I think I may switch all my changes to using a metronome.  Even the ones I have to over 70 and 80 I may scale back to 60bpms to get a rhythm down and make the chords clearer (often when in a hurry to cram as many as possible in a minute they come across muddy).


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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2014, 09:10:52 pm »
...Even the ones I have to over 70 and 80...

Dude! If you're up in the 70s or 80s -  STOP! Those changes are done - move on to something else!   ;D

Getting up to 60, or so changes a minute gets you the ticket to using the chords in a song without messing the rhythm up - you're far better off practicing them by playing songs once you've earned that ticket. Use you're 1 minute change practice time on some other combination that isn't up to speed yet, or steal some chords from the next stage. :)

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2014, 11:55:56 pm »
As some may have spotted, I'm a returner to guitar from being rubbish before, I'm finding I can nail around the 60 mark for most open chords, even G and C, but adding Dm to the mix has really screwed it up! I obviously have muscle memory from years ago for the rest, and this one is the carpal equivalent if Bambi!! I can hit it clean though.

Also having the issue of a couple of things, hitting a mental block if what I'm doing, as in what chord I'm meant to be playing next, and also string accuracy. Some fruity extra bass notes creeping in. Time to slow the practice to clean it up maybe?

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Re: BC-123 • The Dmin Chord
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2014, 11:54:15 am »
... Time to slow the practice to clean it up maybe?

This was my approach and it really helps !

But as you can see, I am struggling with the Dmin as well!

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