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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2012, 07:13:19 am »
@Drubbing: generally speaking, if you feel you're ready to add something new to your practice routine, that's the right point. Just make sure that you have enough practice time to keep working on what you already learned. The more you learn, the more flexible your fingers become and the more control you gain, so what you learn tomorrow may help solve things you struggle with today.

Beyond that, I seem to remember Justin mentioning that 30c/s is a good threshold to move on to the next stage. Not quite sure about that, though.

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2012, 08:29:19 pm »
I think that sometimes when you struggle with something it's just good to forget about it for a while and move on to something new, and go back to it later. It's good to struggle with things, but frustration can lead to boredom and resentfulness, and then you just need to let things settle into your head. Once it gets in there, the act of recalling it later is very helpful in learning.

I've been working on the beginner course off and on for about six months and am up to stage eight. I generally practice for about an hour a day. I've also been taking a break now and then to work on some other things, both from Justin (like some of his blues and folk lessons) and on my own. But as I'm nearing the end now I'm really trying to shore up the things in the beginner course that are still spotty, and get better at some of the songs. I'm hoping that in another month or two I'll finish stage nine and be ready to move on to the next level.

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2012, 03:38:07 am »
I started playing about 6 weeks ago and I am in the middle of stage 3. I'm just curious to know from people who have completed the beginner's course: how long did it take to complete the entire beginner's course. I practice about 30 - 45 min per day and I think I am going along at a fair pace. I am trying to set a challenging, but doable goal for myself and I would like to get some ideas as to how to set it. Thanks!
I'm just about to start stage 9 and I've been going about 6 months.   I wasn't starting from scratch though, so the first few stages went very quickly.  For me, stage 6 with the F chord was a big block for me though, so that one alone took 2 months and slowed me down, but I moved on and kept working on it through 7 and 8 and still do every day in my one-minute changes.  When you get to stage 6 and beyond, you are working on so many things, not just chord changes, but scales, fingerpicking, blues, harder strumming patterns, etc, so things do slow down. If the F chord is easier for you, you may get through quicker.   My current goal is to finish stage 9 by April (so about 7-8 months total).

You put your question in the 1-minute changes so I'll say those were the single biggest thing that improved my guitar playing.  Getting up over 50-60 for all of the changes really really helps.

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2012, 04:22:06 am »

You put your question in the 1-minute changes so I'll say those were the single biggest thing that improved my guitar playing.  Getting up over 50-60 for all of the changes really really helps.


Agreed. Just strumming out chords would be mind numbing and progress wouldn't be great. Just trying to get really fast and being a little sloppy does the trick, and when you slow down the fingers catch up. Really helps with the muscle memory.


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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2012, 07:38:44 pm »
Hi :)
Enjoying the 1min challenge - can't believe I still have skin on my fingers  :) I was wondering if you advise moving between three cords. I've been doing the A,D and E together today but wondered if it's better just to do two chords to secure technique. I found I was fine doing three but wasn't sure if you think this is a good idea
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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2012, 08:19:26 pm »
Honestly, after one week of learning, you shouldn't even bother with measuring your speed.

Slow down. Then slow down some more. Practice the chord change very, very slowly and deliberately. Try to relax your hand. Watch how hard you press the strings down. In the beginning, most people press too hard, which can lead to weird reactions in the hand.

Aren't you are supposed to go fast on the 1 minute changes? I though that's the whole point of them. The idea isn't to be a speed demon, but to be able to improve speed and write it down in your practice journal so you can measure improvement over time.



I think the cramps are normal. I got them too; still do if I practice tight chords for too long (A,D,etc). These are positions your hands are not used to going into. If you start cramping, practice something else for a while. It stops doing it eventually, so don't try to force it.
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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2012, 11:17:32 pm »
Aren't you are supposed to go fast on the 1 minute changes? I though that's the whole point of them.

Yes.

The one minute changes aren't about rhythm or accuracy particularly - it's a competitive training exercise that has been proven to help people get up to speed with chord changes.

Accuracy comes from the 'Strum Pick Strum' exercise which should go side by side with the 'One Minute Changes' exercise. Rhythm is introduced later in the Beginner's Course.

@Jack - it does start very early in the course. Justin teaches the chords & gets people changing between them as quickly as possible (not to any rhythm) before moving on to teaching rhythm & strumming. It's very clever, because it's a way of getting this out of the way so that slow chord changes don't hinder people when they move on to strumming and songs.

@Drubbing - keep at it, and speed will come. FWIW I stopped doing changes once I consistently got >50 on that pair of chords and thought that was OK.

@Barbara - Hi :)  I wouldn't worry about doing 3 chords. It's not something you will be doing when you play songs. If you get the pairs of chords up to speed, the rest will take care of itself - move on.

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2012, 07:55:11 am »
I am doing 30 or so changes. But, as I try to increase the speed, I realised that when I am changing the chords I have to look at both of my hands- left hand to get the chords right and right hand to see from where I am starting the strum (6th, 5th or 4th for E,A,D respectively)- So, this is kinda acting as a hindrance to get the chords faster. Atleast If I were to constantly able to look at only one hand, then maybe it would increase my speed significantly. But, If I try avoiding the left hand, then I get the chords but not consistently right and similarly not looking at the right hand makes me strum more or less strings.
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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2012, 08:06:14 am »
When you're doing one minute changes and you're gunning for speed, forget your right hand (strumming hand) for the moment. If you hit the A string on a D chord it's not the end of the world. This exercise is more about the fretting hand and (and this one's for you ;)) about getting you to not think that much about it and just do it.

In time you should try to not look at your hands at all (like Justin always says: from stage there are much more interesting things to look at). When your in the rhythm and doing the changes, just look up for a moment. Get used to the idea of letting your hands do their job on their own.

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2012, 08:27:59 am »
Okay.. I get the point. So now after getting the strumming hand out of the question And yes I was trying to make the chords without looking at the hands and in the process I get first few changes right, then again would press a wrong string or so and gradually & unknowingly (that would be obvious because i am not looking at the hands) i would move my fingers away from the frets.
Or simply put as, now as I am concentrating on the speed,
should I not all worry about getting nice chords
 ( in this case it will be done by looking at the frettting hand)?
OR
 I refrain from looking at the hand..get a few good changes, then if I accidentally moved on a wrong string, have a quick glance get it right & continue without looking at the hand. Of course, it will reduce my speed but still seems as a better option in the longer run and this increases my dilemma now..
what should I do?

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2012, 08:41:04 am »
It's primarily a speed exercise, so you'd make it far more difficult not watching you fretting hand. Forming chords without looking comes with practice and repetition - not very helpful when simply learning them.

Focus on your fretting hand and just strum, it doesn't matter if you strum a string or two too many. Strumming chords is going to be easier to learn than fretting them, so focussing on fretting.

Eveyone will hear it if you get a chord fretted wrong, few will if you get it right but strum and extra string.

The idea is to build speed first, accuracy comes from getting your fingers into position faster, and it does work.

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2012, 08:56:32 am »
hey mate thanks for dat & I got that point.. I was facing another problem now whether to try unperfect chords with lesser speed by not looking at the fretting hand.. OR get good chords with better speed by looking at the fretting hand..
I know with time I have to get it without looking at the hand but what should do now in 1 min changes..?

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2012, 09:18:27 am »
Okay.. I get the point. So now after getting the strumming hand out of the question And yes I was trying to make the chords without looking at the hands and in the process I get first few changes right, then again would press a wrong string or so and gradually & unknowingly (that would be obvious because i am not looking at the hands) i would move my fingers away from the frets.


I have had this problem too. And then one day I noticed I was playing a song without looking at either hand, but just reading the chords in the song book.

I don't know when I stopped looking at my hands for those chords, it must have been something that happened gradually. I do know I intentionally practiced taking my hand off the guitar neck, relaxing my fingers and then grabbing a specific chord without looking at the guitar first. I did that in my chord practice and maybe it helped me in getting the feel for the chord changes too.

But anyway, you will notice one day that you're playing your chords (or at least these ones) without looking at the strings and still getting them right. And it may happen sooner than you think 'cause I haven't been playing very long either!
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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2012, 09:19:32 am »
I'd say start with looking away for a short moment from time to time. Try to get the idea out of your head that you need your eyes to form a chord. You can also sit down and try to find a chord without looking at your hand, just to get the feel for it. Doing that can greatly improve your accuracy, too. Feel the strings, the frets, the positions.

This isn't something overwhelmingly important in the beginning, but I think it's a good idea to get it into your practice routine in some form or other. Otherwise it'll be very difficult to "unlearn" that habit later on.

And once you can play without looking (at least most of the time - not talking about a 10 fret slide here), it makes you a much more relaxed player. It also enables you to sing while you play, which is very difficult of your neck is "craned" over the guitar. You can read chord sheets, tabs, or sheet music while you play, and consequently you can just play something from a piece of paper without having to memorize everything first. Also, let's face it: it doesn't look cool when a guitarist is bending over his guitar and constantly nodding his head between neck and body ;) In the beginning many people find that necessary, but at some point you should get rid of that habit.

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2012, 01:44:03 pm »
This 1 minute exercise thingymubob, the way we're told to hold the 'A' chord (basically with the fingers crossed as if it's a 'D7' chord) I'm struggling with (it's as if my fingers are too big).

I noticed in the songs later on in the book that in the chord diagram's we're being told to hold the 'A' in the more traditional (I believe) '1,2,3' across the fret pose.

Isn't this a bit confusing?  IE - Learn/Practice with one chord shape, only to use a different one later on?  Or doesn't this matter?

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2012, 02:16:06 pm »
*dashes to find song book*

Looks like the only instances where other finger placements are shown, is where different chords are involved, such as A7sus4, where it's easier to change to Cadd9 and G if you use the more traditional fingerplacement. Or the instance where traditional fingering makes playing an Asus4 a piece of cake. And then there's the Am7/G chord which has a 123 fingering, but that's because it's basically a C chord but with the 5th and 6th strings swapped.

Justin explains when he shows A chord for the first time that other ways of fingering the chord are possible and that sometimes, they are recommended when used with other chords. But most of the time, 213 is the way to go because it allows you to play closer to the fret.
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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2012, 09:11:36 pm »
The so-called "more traditional" finger placement (all in a row) is actually a lot harder in the long run, especially with bigger fingers. The index finger on the D string can get pretty far away from the fret, which means you need lots of strength and it's difficult to keep the string from buzzing. The 213 fingering also makes it much easier to change to other chords, especially "usual suspects" like D or Em. My advice is to stick with it, it's worth the effort.

This is one of the things I wished someone had told me back then. I wasted a lot of time trying to make sense of the "123" A chord, before I learned the other fingering and a couple of days later the problem was solved for good.

@Chantal: the mini-barre A is a possibility, but usually not a very good one. Almost everybody mutes the high E string with that fingering, and that'll be sorely missed if you're in a chord progression with other chords containing the high E string, not to mention that it severely limits your options for arpeggiating etc. Imho that's one of those "extra clever" tricks that can cost a lot of time in the end. And let's face it, the A chord is not exactly a hard one, even for the beginner's course (try a B7 for flavour).

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2012, 01:35:18 am »
especially "usual suspects" like D or Em.

Only if you play Em with 1 and 2 and not 2 and 3.  :)

Justin uses both and is pretty ambivalent it seems in the lessons about which you use.

Jacksroadhouse has more experience than me, but I'd say which not learn all three--1-2-3, 2-1-3, and the mini-barre? You're going to learn a boat load of chords in the beginner's course anyway; two variations won't really add to your load that much.

And eventually, your chord changes will get so fast (give yourself a few months) that it really won't matter. You'll be zipping all over the fretboard.  :)
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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2012, 07:58:12 am »
Sorry, Dave, but imho for a beginner it doesn't make much sense to learn (and more importantly to practice) three different fingerings for one chord. There's so much to learn people really shouldn't waste time on details like that (we're talking stage 1 here). For now I'd pick one fingering that's versatile enough to do everything you want to do, and stick with it.

Once you got past a certain point in learning guitar, things like that won't matter that much anyway. You'll just use the fingering that suits the situation, there's usually no real "learning" involved anymore. E.g. I use 4 different fingerings fpr the open Em, depending on what I did before and what I'm going to do next. And believe it or not, the easiest and most versatile fingering is indeed 213.

I also just had a look at Justin's A chord lesson and Im having a hard time finding any ambiguity in terms of fingering in there. Let me quote:

"The one [fingering] that I think is the best now..."
"The one that I'm gonna show you works really, really, really good for..."
"I'm gonna show you my recommended way of playing an A chord",
"...if you really wanna do one of those other ones then do it, but I will hopefully give you enopugh good reasons to play the A chord with my suggested fingering"
"And this is the fingering for a A chord that I really recommend"
"I really, really recommend that you do these fingers..."

Later on he has a lesson on the "mini barre A", but I think that's more about introducing the idea of barres in preparation for big barre chords than anything else, which is the same reason why he teaches power chords very early on.

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2012, 03:19:55 pm »
I had no problem learning three fingerings for A. It's not rocket science even at stage 1.

In other, later lessons, Justin says things like "whatever fingering for A you're using...Here I'm using (this fingering) because..."

Just a difference of opinion, jack. That's allowed.  ;)
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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2012, 08:02:40 am »
When I change chords I find it easier in most cases to put down my fingers one at a time (the one exception is E-AM where all my finders move together). Is this a bad practice?

Try as I might I am unable to move all three fingers  to corresponding strings simultaneously.

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putting fingers one at a time is not at all bad for anybody who is beginner!! but if you are thru with the chord than you should slowly go for changes ,like common changes are G,D,C or Am, D,G G,Emaj,D etc.. considering G,D,C first start by individually picking each chord and then slowly go after the changes.. always focus on the shapes of chords and accordingly change them. Many chords can just be changed by just adjusting 0ne or two fingers..like Emaj toEmin,Emaj to B7..etc.. not to panic and frustrate it takes time but you will eventually learn it.. :D

If at all tired and frustrated than watch  any of the justin's lesson and you will get back in rythm as the lessons are very motivating !! hope this info will help you... ;) :)

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2012, 07:20:58 am »
Just a quick question. How common is it to find yourself letting the chords ring out and then going "oh ****, I'm doing the 1-minute changes!"? I'm getting around 20 individual chords per minute and I think I could be on 30 if I wasn't allowing (not a conscious choice) them to ring out when I strum.
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« Reply #47 on: June 05, 2012, 07:32:04 am »
Just a quick question. How common is it to find yourself letting the chords ring out and then going "oh ****, I'm doing the 1-minute changes!"? I'm getting around 20 individual chords per minute and I think I could be on 30 if I wasn't allowing (not a conscious choice) them to ring out when I strum.
you will soon cross 50 if you are not concentrating on ringing... focus on shapes and correctness of playing chords and not the numbers... coz if you are fingering the chord right than you yourself will enjoy the elegance of playing  it.... :D

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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2012, 11:50:41 am »
I was able to do all the 3 types of changes in the 50s. So, I moved onto Stage 2. But, I have realised now that in all the changes involving D chord, for eg- in A-D I keep the 3rd finger first and then the 2nd finger. So, isn't that a bad habit? Am I not supposed to keep them both at the same time. What should I do to change the habit? I mean , I am still touching the 50 mark but to make it 60, I guess I need to make them touch the strings at the same time. But, trying to do that makes me feel to start over once again, you know what I mean I have just got used to that way..
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Re: BC-115 • 1 Minute Changes
« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2012, 08:58:26 am »
If you mean move, and not keep, then you are seeing where you will go eventually.

At first, most people tend to move one finger at a time. Soon you will get to Air Changes, and you will learn a new and better way. Your figures will drop at first, but then start to rise as you master that method.
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