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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2015, 11:45:20 pm »
In the big ole for what it's worth department, I interpreted it to mean "touching" as in "would be muting if" not for being fretted higher up.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2015, 11:52:12 pm »
That does not make sense.
How can your 1st finger on fret 2 mute the note your 3rd finger is playing on fret 3?
You can not mute a fretted note from a position behind where it is fretted.

I suspect Jamin is aware that his 1st finger is touching the 2nd string and is worried it's a bad thing to have happen, but given the 2nd string is fretted higher up, it doesn't actually affect the chord.
It probably isn't a good thing, but as long as the chord sounds clear, I wouldn't be worried about it at this point.

As you practice and learn more chords, you'll gradually improve finger position, and be able to make the slight corrections needed to get the required strings to ring out clearly.
I know when I play a C, I have a habit of my 2nd finger catching the 5th string, but it doesn't affect what I'm playing. I probably should work on it not happening, but it's not a problem for now.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2015, 08:11:34 am »
In the big ole for what it's worth department, I interpreted it to mean "touching" as in "would be muting if" not for being fretted higher up.

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I suspect Jamin is aware that his 1st finger is touching the 2nd string and is worried it's a bad thing to have happen, but given the 2nd string is fretted higher up, it doesn't actually affect the chord.
It probably isn't a good thing, but as long as the chord sounds clear, I wouldn't be worried about it at this point.

As you practice and learn more chords, you'll gradually improve finger position, and be able to make the slight corrections needed to get the required strings to ring out clearly.
I know when I play a C, I have a habit of my 2nd finger catching the 5th string, but it doesn't affect what I'm playing. I probably should work on it not happening, but it's not a problem for now.

Yes thats that I mean. I was just fiddling around placing each finger and then plucking each string around it and found that my 1st finger was muting the 2nd string.
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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2015, 06:30:02 am »
Yes thats that I mean. I was just fiddling around placing each finger and then plucking each string around it and found that my 1st finger was muting the 2nd string.

BUT

When you play the D CHORD, the 2nd string rings out right?

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2015, 08:52:39 am »
BUT

When you play the D CHORD, the 2nd string rings out right?

Yes it does.
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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #80 on: January 02, 2016, 09:17:23 pm »
Hi all

I got my first guitar (electric) in the Amazon sales the other day.  Ive never even picked one up before and decided on a new hobby.  Anyway, yesterday i went through the theory stuff in the 'getting started' section. 

Today i have tried and tried at having a go at the next part The D Cord and i am struggling.  Its my fingers - especially my 3rd finger on the second string.  Its always touching the 1st string and...well.. Muting it.

I am a large person with kinda fat fingers and i believe this is the reason.  So the questions are:
  • Is it possible for someone with fat fingers to even learn?
  • Is there any techniques to overcome this problem?
  • Are there 'accessories' that one can kind of put on there fingers to thin them - kinda like a thimble in sewing but different?

I know ive only had this guitar for 'hours' and have had a go at the d cord for about 1 of them, but its put me on a downer at the moment.  So any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #81 on: January 02, 2016, 09:29:18 pm »
I think it's definitely possible for you to play I'm sure others who have had similar challenges will reply soon.  Why not try - if you haven't already done so- trying A and E. E in particular should be a little easier.  Above all keep going it will take many hours and many days of practice to become competent but you can do it if you keep going.
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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #82 on: January 02, 2016, 10:54:48 pm »
Your fingers aren't too fat.  I know it is hard to believe that, but it is true. 

Try to make sure your fingers are nicely curle; and the tip, the last joint/section is coming down square to the fingerboard.

Also realize that there is more than one spot on your finger tip that can press on the string.  So if you third finger is muting the first string move the third finger tip a bit further towards the third string.  Still keeping it as square to the fingerboard as you can with nicely arched fingers.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #83 on: January 03, 2016, 02:00:53 am »
Hi Quinnicus,

I am a beginner and have only been playing for a few weeks. I also had particular trouble with the D chord, which I found frustrating as it seems not to be difficult for most people. I found the E chord easier so maybe try that one as Rossco01 suggested.

I kept paying particular attention to the D chord at the beginning of every practise session but then moved on to something else so I didn't get too disheartened. Finally my D chord is starting to sound OK when I play it using strum and pick, and I'm also get a much better sound when I play it in songs. Just stick with it, but also work on other areas when you can make more progress.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #84 on: January 04, 2016, 06:02:55 pm »
Hi All

I've been playing guitar for a couple of years but recently decided to start from scratch and learn properly using the foundation courses. I'm finding the technique Justin suggested for the first few chords a little uncomfortable (i.e thumb behind the neck and palm not touching the guitar). I'm not sure if I'm doing it wrong or if I'm just not used to it. I've always brought my thumb up over the neck to mute certain strings whilst playing open chords up until this point. Should I continue using the same technique or use the one suggested in the videos? I'm not sure since from Justin's comments it appears I'll be using the former more as the course progresses.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2016, 07:48:28 pm »
Hi, everybody!

I've started practising guitar for around 10 days now and I just started with the 1-minute-change activities proposed by Justin. I'm quite happy because I'm around the 20 changes per minute. I started practising the A-D changes and I have found some problems with the D chord, specifically with the finger that presses the thinnest string (the middle finger). My fingers don't hurt anymore, but I feel pretty uncomfortable with the position of that finger, as if it was unnatural... I don't know how to explain it. Any tips to make it easier or is it just a matter of time?

Thanks a lot and sorry about my bad English. Oh, and Happy New Year! :D

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2016, 08:07:10 pm »
@jamieb

If you are getting all the strings to ring clearly I see no reason to 'revert' to the beginner's grip.  That tends to be the finger hand posture that allow a raw beginner the best chance of getting all the strings to ring true.

@Javan

From what I remember from my beginner days, almost everything I learned felt uncomfortable and unnatural.  So without more detail or a picture I am gonna go with that...

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2016, 08:15:43 pm »
Javianser, using a finger in new and different ways is expected to feel different, it's par for the course. It will get much easier and feel more 'natural' the more you practice it. I found it interesting that Justin noted James Taylor's way of playing the D is different (the index/pointer and middle fingers are swapped), but doing this would prevent use of the index finger on the G string as an anchor for E to A to D chord switches. I would recommend sticking with the traditional fingering as shown. And nice job on the chord changes!

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #88 on: January 07, 2016, 08:38:28 am »
@jamiebell94
The idea here is to build stregth in the hand so that power chords and barre chords are not as much shock - as well as helping people use fingertips correctly. So up to you, if you're getting the chords clean and you can already play barre chords you should be fine.

@javianser
everything is hard at the beginning - give it a few months to get new things feeling comfortable!

@Quinnicus
When I started teaching back in Tasmania I taught loads of farmers with massive fingers, and I was thinking they wouldn't be able to play - but they all did fine - it just takes practice! Stick at it and i'm sure you get there! :)


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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2016, 07:40:48 am »

 :) FFS: Fat Finger Syndrom[/b]  ;D

@Quinnicus
When I started teaching back in Tasmania I taught loads of farmers with massive fingers, and I was thinking they wouldn't be able to play - but they all did fine - it just takes practice! Stick at it and i'm sure you get there! :)

As I saw the fingers of Andres Segovia first - I can´t believe it, very fat fingers, but his excellent sound is great - he played on a high level classical guitar. Ok - there is a bit more space between the strings.

Or look at  the vids of Don Ross, Andy McKee on youtube - big Fingers and big music.

Imho a good shape of the Fretting-Hand is most important to manage the D chord accurate. Sometimes it helps to let the thumb comes down a bit towards the middle line of the neck, so you win a bit more space to set the fingers down in a good way.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #90 on: March 14, 2016, 06:45:52 pm »
I am having a lot of trouble with this chord. It seems to be the hardest out of the first several. Is that uncommon to think it's that hard? Justin says the G string is hard, but that one I could do right away (although still not perfect I can at least make it work).

On the D, for me to have both the middle and ring finger down, my middle finger has to be bent over so far I'm using the flat of the nail to hold down the string. Otherwise I can't bend the ring finger over far enough not to mute the bottom string.

Maybe it's because my fingers are so short and fat. I never realized I had short fingers until I started to learn to play. I measured my hand, and it's just the tiniest tick above average (for a male) at 7.5 inches (avg 7.44). But my fingers aren't as long as my palm. My middle finger is only 3.2 inches (avg 3.72) long.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #91 on: March 14, 2016, 07:53:00 pm »
D is not an easy chord so dont worry about that. You should be muti g anything ( unless youre trying to mute the low E with your thumb... which I doubt).

1st finger should be on the g string 2nd fret, middle finger on high E string 2nd fret and third finger on b string third fret. You play the high E, b, g and d strings only ( although don't worry too much about this to start with).

Might be worth taking a picture so we can see where you are struggling.


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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #92 on: March 14, 2016, 09:22:04 pm »
D is not an easy chord so dont worry about that. You should be muti g anything ( unless youre trying to mute the low E with your thumb... which I doubt).

1st finger should be on the g string 2nd fret, middle finger on high E string 2nd fret and third finger on b string third fret. You play the high E, b, g and d strings only ( although don't worry too much about this to start with).

Might be worth taking a picture so we can see where you are struggling.

Sure here's a photo. You can see how curled my middle finger is. If I straighten it I can't get the ring finger down without it flattening and muting the bottom string.


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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #93 on: March 14, 2016, 10:33:16 pm »
Hi effluent,

having a look at your picture I suggest to keep your wrist more straight. This will allow your fingers (especially your middle) to hit the strings in a better angle (e.g perpendicular to the fretboard). When I do the D chord my wrist is even bend into the opposite direction as yours and my thumb reaches far over the neck (which later allows you to mute the low E).

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« Reply #94 on: March 14, 2016, 10:41:30 pm »
Your fingers are not bending at the palm and you are trying to make up for it with the other joints and bending your wrist.  And your palm is too close to the neck.

You want your hand shaped like you are loosely holding a grapefruit in your palm in front of you, wrist straight.

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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #95 on: March 14, 2016, 10:47:57 pm »
I realize looking at that first picture that I contorted a littler more than normal due to trying to take the pic.

Here I can do it a lot better and easier but I have to really grab a hold of it-


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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #96 on: March 14, 2016, 10:56:16 pm »


Move your thumb behind the neck, not over the top.
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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #97 on: March 14, 2016, 10:58:42 pm »
Move your thumb behind the neck, not over the top.

I know I'm not supposed to do that, just showing how easily I can do it that way. I've tried to treat it like it will electrocute me if I touch the bottom of the neck and what not but I end up bending my wrist all the way to be able to reach. Here is my trying to hold a grapefruit and not touch the bottom of the neck while also not trying to bend my wrist too much-


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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #98 on: March 15, 2016, 06:02:36 am »
To me anyway, of the three pictures you posted, this one (picture 2)  looks closest to the way that I play the D chord. Your wrist is straighter and your fingers are bent at all three joints. Your 2nd finger is not fretting on the nail. True, your thumb is not where Justin suggests, but everything else looks about right. Realize that by the time you finish the BC everyone (Justin included) is going to expect you to be playing your D chord with your thumb over the top muting the low E string anyway. Maybe you'll just be there a little early.

Also, don't overstress about touching the neck with you palm. I know that when I started I heard Justin say that the palm shouldn't touch the neck. Somehow, I understood that to mean the palm should be as far away from the neck as possible. You seem to be thinking the same. Exaggerating the distance between the palm and neck leads to an extreme wrist angle and possible injury. You're better off keeping your wrist straight and getting your hand closer to the neck. Think as close as you need to without touching; not as far away as possible.
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Re: BC-111 • The D Chord
« Reply #99 on: March 15, 2016, 10:38:29 pm »
+1 on the palm not being a big point.  I had some issues originally in muting the E string, but i got it sorted by pulling the palm back a bit.  But if the strings are ringing out ok I wouldn't worry about the palm.
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