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PC-801 • My Thoughts On Learning
« on: November 20, 2008, 05:29:55 pm »
« Last Edit: May 16, 2011, 03:58:28 pm by justinguitar »
"You can get help from teachers, but you are going to have to learn a lot by yourself, sitting alone in a room." Dr. Seuss

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2009, 06:13:46 pm »
Hello, Justin,

My 1st post here.

 I have a sincerely troubling question regarding tab or learning how to read notation.  A little over 10 yrs ago I took a bunch of private lessons and it was all tab, not note reading. Like many, I wanted to play ASAP..I think you know where this is going!

I'm 58 yrs (young) now and my then school-age son who was into private clarinet lessons and did very well told me over and over to learn to read notes. I tried and gave up out of the need to make music sooner than I should.

Well, here I am again..wanting to learn how to play. I found you via YouTube and was really impressed..
Your blues online stuff turned me back to the guitar. The Blues!!!

Now I'd really like to go at it the proper way. So, would you please give me your honest assessment ... should I not rely on TAB and learn how to read notation (as I'm thinking I "should") or go the easy route? I'm wanting to make this a serious returning effort and as such I'm guessing to go the reading route....even though it'll be one damn struggle initially.

Thank you SO MUCH for any help. You have given me a lot of wonderful listening and I have to learn as much bluesy stuff as I can. It's simply a wonderful sound!

Regards,
Jeremy...I'm hoping to get into your lessons and buy as much for my progressions as possible. I have to learn from scratch! You can count on that!
Cheers

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2009, 08:17:41 pm »
Justin answers that question in one of the Q&A vids, I think he said that you only should if you're plannin on going pro otherwise it takes alot of time and is quite difficult and not really worth it.

Though I could well be wrong and it's worth checking the vids to make sure, besides there's lots of useful info in them, your bound to learn some new stuff :)

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 03:27:12 pm »
Thank you Fuzzel. I appreciate it.

Jeremy.

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2009, 02:49:34 pm »
yes. correct :)
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 01:36:58 am »
I absolutely hate tab!! Not only that I can't do it fast enough, I just feel IMHO that it's just an easy way out! I feel like the brain cells are on vacation.  I find reading music a whole lot easier for me anyways!   I have a musical background in piano so I knew the notes before I started on my guitar journey.  I have tab for some stuff but I would rather look at the notes and really figure it out myself.  I find too that some tabs are just WRONG!!!  I guess it's up to each to choose which way they wanna go.  I think too that if you learn to read music, it will take you that much further cuz than you have to study the theory and stuff which can get complex at times but then again if you really love to play then I personally would learn to read music. This is ONLY my very humble opinion!!

PLEASE DON'T HATE ME YOU TAB LOVERS!!!

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 11:47:12 am »
Justin answers that question in one of the Q&A vids,

Though I could well be wrong and it's worth checking the vids to make sure, besides there's lots of useful info in them, your bound to learn some new stuff :)

I see that Justin confirmed you are right Fuzzel.

I would like to see the videos you mention, for the useful info you mention. Can you post links please? I keep reading about Q&A videos, and I would like to watch them, but I do not see them on the Lesson Index.

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2009, 08:29:35 pm »
Why even if your not planning on going pro would NOT learn how to read music????? It gives you a way more freedom when playing opposed to just learning tabs.  I don't plan on going pro in this lifetime I think but I want to learn everything I can.  Theory, practical the whole nine yards.  I in my opinion think this is the best way to learn for me.

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 10:45:58 pm »
All right folks, even though nobody has posted here for quite a while, I'd like to give me 2 cents here. It is my opinion that if you enjoy learning, then learning musical notation isn't hard at all. I am playing the harmonica and in order to write down my own songs I bought me a great harmonica book and well, notation is fantastic. What I'd like to say is that once you start with musical notation, it is more a journey than a task. You are never too old and learning doesn't have to be considered as learning but part of the fun. If you are on vacation and you go by car to your destination, then the ride itself is an essential part of the vacation, don't you think so? You will remember a great time even though it might not be obvious in the beginning. Just be positive and nobody is perfect. Perfection lies in imperfection. I don't intend to play the guitar in a way that people might consider as "perfect". It must be just sufficient enough to support my harmonica playing and if I know 10 or 12 chords and a bit of picking single notes ... heck that's all I need. Anything else comes within due time anyway.

My basic message is that you have as much fun as possible. Two weeks ago I had serious doubts that I was guitar-compatible, lol, it has changed completely. :D

So long ... whatever makes you happy .. tabs or musical notations ... but let's dig it  ;)
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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2009, 08:41:27 am »
yes im trying to work throu  some theory  i think my next purchase will be   paractical theory by justin ... ive read the review  an  i think it  will be a vauble  source .. to help put the peices together ..that  combined  with  begines course im working throu  an  ile  the  strummin 1  that was ordered  other  day .. to  get  my rythum sorted

tab dose have it limtations,  an for some one like myself who wasnt   born with the muscal  geane in me to have understanding  will go along way to help i think to see it  to understand it  will enable  me  to hear it an develop my ear  to  be abel to transcribe  in  years to come.. i want to play for my own  benefit an plesure but i want to reatch  relatively  good allround level...   

so  i think the basics   will defently hep unwravel an make me beter  player  ..

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 07:17:42 pm »
Why even if your not planning on going pro would NOT learn how to read music????? It gives you a way more freedom when playing opposed to just learning tabs.  I don't plan on going pro in this lifetime I think but I want to learn everything I can.  Theory, practical the whole nine yards. 

Licksnkicks
I believe it's a matter of deciding where to alocate your time. Your never gonna have time to learn everything, even if you did turn pro. So what you invest your time in learning is really a big decision, because learning to read music on the guitar takes a long time, and if your primarily interested in burning out afew blues licks that time would be much better spent transcribing a piece.
If you want to be able to jam over lots difficult jazz chords, learnign to read music will only help you to the extent that it will let you access more books on the subject. It's obviously got it's merits for people with lots of time to spend on music, but most people don't, and they have to draw the line somewhere, and musical notation is generally on the wrong side of that line.

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2009, 08:04:56 pm »
Hi Justin,

First, I want to thank and congratulate you for your site. Please keep this alive !
Like Jeremy I am 50 year young and I am "scratching" on my guitar for many years without any method. Sometimes I am lucky to have some "sound" in what I am playing, but to be honest...mostly not...just using the try and cut method (?) and if I am lucky I can have a nice little jamming session.
Just one question/request : could it be possible to have available on your site a kind of general overview of all steps to be learned "from the beginner to the pro" in the form of a logical diagram as f.ex. used in company organisation charts ?
As a example : one chart for the guitar exercises, one for the theory, one for.....
I am convinced that you personally had a method (and still have) to reach the next goal in guitar/music mastering and that there is a logival way to follow THE PATH from milestone to milestone. I think that's very important for a beginner also for self evaluation and to have a view and feedback on his own position on the learning curve, even if he doesn't understand yet the next steps.
Thx for considering this question
Dany

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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2010, 10:28:44 pm »
Hi Jeremy, Glad to hear your still trying to get your head around music notation.  I've done this for a few years and would like to share with you what has helped me.  First of all why do you have to choose only tab or notation?  Try both at first, that is to say find songs that have the G clef at top and tab at the bottom.  Once your comfortable with the tab block it out with a piece of paper and play the same thing on the clef.  I've also made flash cards, the front has the notation and the back has the answer as a letter name.  Maybe you would like the answer in tab.  Learning music is like learning another written language first you learn the alphabet, then words, then sentences and finally your reading in concepts.  Keep in mind that music notation has been around for at least a 1,000 years and is very specific as to duration, note, chord, speed etc.  There are plenty of books and web-sites with the info you need maybe even here at Justinguitar (I haven't seen all of it.)  Good luck and hopes this helps.

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2010, 01:20:50 am »
Hey Justin,

Do I need to learn scales to be a great lead guitarist?

I've heard of guys like Keith Urban and Tommy Emmanuel who never learn scales.  I guess they just transcribed A LOT and when it comes time to play solos they play what feels natural.

I'm asking because I want to be a guitar God someday and I love jamming and transcribing but I've never had much patience for theory or especially scales.  What do you think?

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2010, 07:30:19 am »
anybody that says they never learned a scale is either:

1] talking out of their rear-end

2] a one-in-a-billion prodigy / genius / freak

start learning scales dude

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2011, 07:15:35 am »
Re: Tab / notation.

I like to use a mix of the two really. I use the notation to let me know the rhythm of what I'm playing and the tab to know where to play it. I find this combination is sort of the best of both worlds.

Using this technique you don't really have to know how to read notation fully, just how to read rhythm (which is pretty easy to pick up, I think.)

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Re: TB-040 • My Thoughts On Learning
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2011, 03:39:38 pm »
Re: Tab / notation.

I like to use a mix of the two really. I use the notation to let me know the rhythm of what I'm playing and the tab to know where to play it. I find this combination is sort of the best of both worlds.

Using this technique you don't really have to know how to read notation fully, just how to read rhythm (which is pretty easy to pick up, I think.)

i have done this too!  It helps you to make the song much more accurate.  I read music as well but because I don't do it as much as I should I use tab.  Just another tool in the guitarists arsenal.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2011, 06:50:40 am »
Yeah I can read music - but not very quickly. I mean I find it much easier to figure out the fingerings by looking at the tab than by figuring it out from the proper sheet music. It's great for what it is (and for showing hammers/slides etc) but it's bad for rhythm... which is where reading the notes comes in handy. A lot of music books have the notes and the tab right below; so that's perfect.

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2011, 04:47:43 pm »
You should look at tab as another arsenal in your guitar tool box.  For timining I usually look at musical notation as well.  I can read music too but I can only do it a turtle speed.  I'm sure if I used it as much as I do tab that I would be  more adept at reading it ;)
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2011, 02:04:19 pm »
Hellow everybody,

I just wanted to ask if there is some interactive practicing program, which could help to learn and change between chords. It could be some kind of software using the microphone and telling if you are playing that or another chord correctly, same time showing you in the screen what exactly to play? I meant like typing programs or smth.?

Would be cool if someone would create that program!!!

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2011, 04:12:37 pm »
There are plenty of resources that will show you the correct chord charts, sureley you just need your ears to tell if you're playing it right?

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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2011, 04:56:21 pm »
No, you didn't understand, i mean, i know what chords look like and how to play them. I'm just currious if there is no such a computer program with whom would be just a funnier way to learn - like you are learning a blind typing with a game like this: http://www.onlytypinggames.com/games/air-typer/. I need to learn to change between chords faster, but it is not very motivating to sit and try with no feedback :)

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2011, 06:35:40 am »
I need to learn to change between chords faster, but it is not very motivating to sit and try with no feedback :)

play songs
if necessary use software like Audacity to slow them down a little so you can play along
use the one-minute-changes as a speed development exercise
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2011, 09:50:33 pm »
I need to learn to change between chords faster, but it is not very motivating to sit and try with no feedback :)

play songs
if necessary use software like Audacity to slow them down a little so you can play along
use the one-minute-changes as a speed development exercise
 :)

Thanks for the heads up on Audacity.  That's going to help a lot on songs I'm not too familiar on.

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2011, 03:18:31 am »
Hi Justin (I hope),  I recently retired and care for my ill wife. I have been playing guitar since I was fourteen, but I was mainly a guitar jammer-(blues etc.) Until recently, when I started taking lessons on your web site. Since then I have improved tremendously and I have written and recorded a number of songs and will continue to do so.  When you spoke of setting goals for ourselves, I have to say that my goal is to keep writing melodic songs like "Yesterday" SHape of My Heart", etc that have deep meaning. The scales and arpeggios have been very valuable also. I am not interested in being another Steve Vai, my fingers are a little short for that, but I am very interested in knowing the theory of music as well as practicing everything I can. Time is limited for me so I need to break it up to where I can care for my wife and my other duties. Can you or anyone give any advice that they could give as to what my priorities I should be practicing

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