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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 09:07:08 pm »
So where do you put the hammer-on on the c-chord, on the first down or up strum?

The hammer goes down just after the first down strum on the C.
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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 10:31:46 pm »
looking for the strum patteren justin uses in his vid, and especially when he palm mutes. just strugglin abit with it.
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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 05:32:41 pm »
looking for the strum patteren justin uses in his vid, and especially when he palm mutes. just strugglin abit with it.
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Most of the cool stuff is a down stroke or beat.
I can not think of too many songs there are some that accent more of the down beat, Pride and Joy SRV song strums up all the way thru the song.
Maybe a comparative  song will help you.
For me there is but one song and one man to teach up all this.
Hello I'm Johnny Cash, with no training he just plays there was no drummer in his early group, so Johnny strummed in a percussive manner.
The little shoe shine boy he never get down , he got the dirties job in town.
You need to get rhythm
About any old Ray Charles song teach you some fine syncopation's.
Drum lesson also the best advise I can give about any musician, sound crazy but it true no one know rhythm like a drummer.
Good luck
Every one who learns guitar sucks at this and or they put to much thought into it,  by this i mean you just strum it up down or down up.
Song that use all down or all up stand out.
Strum it the way you want if it was finger picking I say about the same just pick it.

The song has that Last Dance with Mary Jane vibe.
You will learn how to mute i think it just comes with playing, lesson may help speed this but you will get it the ringing notes will suck and you will find a way to stop sucking, kind of takes time.
I would put a link up someone else may be able to give some better advice.
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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 03:12:44 pm »
Hi jon
just been learning this myself along with Justins really usefull strumming techniques vol2 and i think the strumming pattern is
 1 + 2 +a3e+4 +a1 + 2 +a3e+4 +a   (16th note strumming-change chord on the bold "a")

What im struggling with is the upstroke after the dampened downstroke- i dont seem to be able to get the pick at the right angle  and it keeps digging in.  Oh well! practice,practice,practice.

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 09:37:38 pm »
@bruljon, I watched the vid again and I don't think so.  I think what you're seeing are his fingers fly around a bit during the "muted strum", also known as a "chuck".

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/IM-145-Rhythm16-4.php
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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 03:12:26 am »
Justin is using hammer ons and pull off. That's what you hearing.

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 05:47:06 pm »
Are the muted strums on the down beats only, or are they on  the down beats and the up beats?

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2014, 10:39:27 am »
Hi everyone,

First post here so I'll try and keep it quick, been searching the forums and haven't found the answer to this question I've had for this song. With the chord progression in the Beginner's Songbook of |Am   Fmaj7| C   G| are we supposed to do two beats per chord? So would it be Am for two beats then Fmaj7 for two beats, C for two, G for two? Or is it four beats per chord? Apologies if this sounds dumb but I'm having one of those moments where I can't for the life of me work it out in my head.

Also on a more general level, when a song has the the straight bars, such as "|C     G|" or something to that effect does that imply that it's only two beats per note as opposed to four?

Thanks all,

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2014, 04:21:22 pm »
The two straight bars |    | is one Barre or 4 beats so yes when two chord appear between the bars that
2 beat each. Or in the case of Save Tonight the rhythm is 1/8 notes so 8 beats but the strumming is a
little tricky watch the video over and over until you get the strumming down.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/ST-507-SaveTonight.php

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2015, 10:56:05 am »
I have a few questions. The G and the Fmaj7 chords seem to be different than from the beginner course. Can I just play with the G and Fmaj7 from the beginner course ?
Besides i would really appreciate if someone can write out the whole strumming pattern for the correct strumming pattern. I try to listen  to what Justin said, but it's to quick for me to write out  the strumming pattern.
Much thanks in advance!

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2015, 04:30:53 pm »
Yes you can but you should learn the the versions Justin is using. In the Fm7 he is adding a C bass note
giving it a fuller sound and it fits with the Am and C chord. The G he is using as he explains in the video
is just easier the get to. You can use the regular G if you wont to. 

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2015, 11:21:14 am »
@carlyxjack the strum pattern is written out in the book - perhaps you might like to buy one ;)

@Dodarino the | lines are bar lines and while the chords within them will most likely be evenly spaced - they are not always... so you have to do some lisening - but you should be doing that anyhow.

@GuitarMaster the muted notes have more effect on the down strums to get the percussive hit going on but it's kinda there a bit for the ups too - you have to experiment a bit - very hard to explain in detail!
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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2015, 12:20:36 am »
In the lesson he says to palm mute on the beat and to hammer-on the a minor right after the first down strum. However, sine the first down strum is palm muted (the first down strum occurs on beat 1), this doesn't make sense. Are you only supposed to palm mute on beats 2, 3, and 4?  Or by first down strum does he mean on the 'and' of one? Thank you!

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2015, 01:10:01 am »
It does make sense beacause  you don't completely choke the chord out.  You hit on one and hammer on the next 16th 'e' because you are hitting another down stroke on the 'and'.

Works pretty much the same for hammering the E note on the C chord.

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2015, 08:50:58 pm »
Can I just ask a quick question about holding the pick during the muted strums, does anyone find it keeps coming loose after a few bars? I'm left handed playing right handed which has been an issue for a while but I can't seem to keep the pick in place as I have to use a slightly looser grip to strum and palm mute.

Thanks.

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2015, 09:19:38 am »
@VisualAcid just need to experiment with how hard you hold it - and also look at the angle of the pick against the strings, that can cause a problem for some people - but there's no 'right way' you need to find your way ;)
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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2015, 02:45:55 pm »
Hi folks. I have a question regarding the rhythm of the song. So I can replicate the strumming pattern (without the muting part), but in that case I simply can not match the rhythm, it always seem too slow. And, slow as it gets, it sounds completely like a different song. So my question is what would be the approximated BPM for the rhythm, if I would to set the metronome? I experimented a bit myself, and it seems it should go to 130 beats, but my hearing is not that good, so sometimes it seems like more?

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2015, 06:31:11 pm »
More like 120 BPM
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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2016, 10:20:56 pm »
Hello everyone  :)

I find the stretch between the third and fourth finger in the particular G chord very hard. I tend to bend the fourth finger so that it touches the string with the side of the finger rather than the tip, and that is no good :P Does anyone have any advice, or could recommend me an exercise that I could do in order to improve my dexterity between these two fingers?

Thanks.

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2016, 05:23:43 pm »
Does anyone know how to explain why the two finger G produces the same sound as the "standard" G Justin taught us in Stage 3, other than, "it just does, man!"
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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2016, 06:45:23 pm »
The notes that make up a G major chord are G B D. When you play the three finger G you are playing
from Low E to high e G B D G B G. You are playing 3 Roots, 2 3rds and 1 5th.
When you play the 4 finger G chord or Rock G you are playing
from Low E to high e G B D G D G. You are playing 3 Roots. 1 3rd and 2 5ths.
Same note just more of one and less of the other.

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2016, 11:27:58 pm »
Hello everyone  :)

I find the stretch between the third and fourth finger in the particular G chord very hard. I tend to bend the fourth finger so that it touches the string with the side of the finger rather than the tip, and that is no good :P Does anyone have any advice, or could recommend me an exercise that I could do in order to improve my dexterity between these two fingers?

Thanks.

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2016, 10:54:45 am »
I have some questions regarding this extra challenging song.

1- Apart from strum/hand mute technique, is it recommended to mute both E strings on Amin, Fmaj7 and C using thumb and index fingers? or only big E? I'm asking because I just started learning the song and faced two issues with small E.

  1) It's difficult to hand mute it
  2) My ears reject it; it is too high.

2- Justin uses Fmaj7 (4 fingers) shown below, is it because its difficult to mute E and A strings? Although it's possible to use Fmaj7 (3 fingers) and mute A with index finger's tip and mute E with thumb.

I like to try different combinations, but still don't want to acquire bad techniques.

Edit: here's a video of my 2nd day practice. You can notice the annoying small E. Is it normal? is it my technique? I'm not hand muting here, just FYI.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2di4uu5a22nn4fj/Video%2025-10-2016%2C%209%2051%2014%20PM.mov?dl=0

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Re: BS-404 • Save Tonight (Eagle Eye Cherry)
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2016, 12:17:26 pm »
I have been struggling myself a lot on this one.
However I am not sure if this:
1 + 2 +a3e+4 +a1 + 2 +a3e+4 +a   (16th note strumming-change chord on the bold "a")
sounds like in the original.

The closest I have come to is :DD U*DUDDDU *DD U*DUDDDU

* indicate chord changes

Would love if someone can correct/confirm to the above.

Cheers,
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