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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2012, 08:19:15 pm »
Justin please make the next series (descending) !! This series really really helped me although I still struggle with the 7th's and octaves.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2012, 11:43:57 pm »
Apologies if this exists and I missed it.  I did look.   What I am wanting is a playback loop of intervals that I can put on when I am, say, making dog collars and can't touch the guitar or otherwise check my ear.   I figure if I can just hear a single interval, say a fourth a whole bunch and then a fifth and so on, I will get them quicker.  And these training systems that have you recognize what you have just heard break the connection with that side of the brain (which side is that, you may ask?  My brain seems to be dodecahedronish in shape...

I know I can make one of these but I am trying to avoid recreating the wheel, or whatever shape this thing would be...

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2012, 09:51:14 am »
When I am on the page newbielink:http://www.justinguitar.com/eartrainer/ [nonactive] and click on the Start button, the content changes, but I hear nothing. I'm using Firefox on Ubuntu Linux (all up to date) and have no trouble seeing and hearing Justin's videos. It's just this aural training application. Does it only work on the dreaded Windows & Internet Explorer?

...updated...

I've now tested using Firefox and Opera on Ubuntu Linux, Firefox on Windows 7 and even Internet Explorer on Windows 7 and none of these combinations gets a peep out of the aural training app. All components are fully up to date (on a 64-bit PC).
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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2012, 07:18:34 pm »
Hi, and welcome:)

If it's any consolation, it doesn't work for me either - Win XP and FF (both up to date) - I get a message saying the the Quicktime Plug-in has crashed :( (QT is up to date, too).

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2012, 08:44:14 pm »
Same here.  Can't make it work.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2012, 12:58:35 pm »
Notified Justin about this.
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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2012, 01:06:47 pm »
Can anyone with a Mac try this and let us know what happens.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2012, 01:12:26 pm »
@PTB..... tell me exactly what you want.

Intervals
Number of repeats
Etc.

I can do this with a piano.
Ex.

Play P5 in single position
Play P5 in multiple positions but same key ( notes )
Repeat X times
Play P5 in different keys each time

Play x y z a b ??

Just write out --exactly-- what you want to hear.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2013, 10:49:12 am »
Hello there everyone,

Just a little while ago I found out about the Justinguitar ear trainer. I tried it on Firefox and on Google Chrome. On Firefox it just didn't work. I got no message about what I should do. But on google chrome it DID work.

I first got a message that I should download a plug in. after I did this I closed the browser and reopened it. I opened the site and I got a message if I would like to use the plug in. after I did this. It worked perfectly!!!

i hope i got it a little bit clear what should be done.
if not feel free to ask and I'll try to make it clearer.

greetings,
Dencello

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2013, 03:42:50 pm »
Hi Justin and all fellow guitar beginners
I'm a little confused regarding the concept of Aural training and what I'm supposed to learn/know. E.g., if I do a lesson on intervals, when I hear the 2 notes, am I supposed to know right away if it's a 4th or a 5th just by hearing the 2 notes, or is it ok to "count up" from the root note and name it then? Same with listening to chords, am I supposed to name a chord by hearing it or can I try on the guitar until I have found the chords that sounds the same? All advice is really appreciated.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2013, 04:14:08 am »
I went to site with the lesson answers but there are not just 4th and 5th interval answers listed.
Aural test answers lesson 1.
Please help.
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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2013, 01:19:26 pm »
Hey guys,

Sorry if it's a silly question or if it's in the wrong place, but I couldn't find anything about this...

I figured out this ear training for both ascending and descending intervals. Now it's just a matter of practice till I get good at it.

But what about the harmonic intervals? I don't know how the trick of comparing it to a song would make sense here. What are the tips for this? I ask because I completely suck at it. I think a monkey hitting random intervals would fare better than me. Am I supposed to just wait until I mastered the ascending and descending case, and then the harmonic intervals will start to make sense to my ears spontaneously? Or is there some tip to start it off?

Thanks a lot,
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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2013, 02:05:33 pm »
I think a monkey hitting random intervals would fare better than me. Am I supposed to just wait until I mastered the ascending and descending case, and then the harmonic intervals will start to make sense to my ears spontaneously? Or is there some tip to start it off?
I felt exactly the same when I started with the harmonic intervals. I started with only P4 and P5 and got less than 50% for hours :(
The only trick I found is to divide the interval in the two single notes, but that was impossible to apply. If you keep on doing this however the guesses becomes (very) slowly better. Then suddenly I was able to hear out a single note at a time, though not necessary the right.
Today (right now 94% :) I did all harmonics of a major scale and the test somehow felt like it would be an ascending melodic test, that means somehow (I had the impression that) I heart first the root and then the higher note.
It seems that this is an ability that comes out of the nothing (at least I'm sure for me that there is no talent involved).

For the right order: first melodic, then harmonic. There is a lesson from Justin (no video, but only text I believe).
But beeing solid at the melodic intervals is only required (or at least helpful) for the harmonic intervals. To master these is something completely new and takes it own time. And it's somehow much more frustatingly because of periods with zero improvement.

Right now with the division of an interval I can use the song association quite good, but it seems to get in faster or more directly.
Maybe there is a secret trick to get a better or faster solution but I searched a month ago quite alot without much success. I hope Justin will reveal it in a future lesson :)
(Sorry if it's the wrong place, I'm not sure either if this threat is only for melodic or for harmonic intervals, too.)

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2014, 06:12:11 pm »
When is a good time to start ear training?  After the beginner course is completed?  or right from the beginning? 

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2014, 08:13:17 pm »
Check your other post I answered it there.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2014, 06:50:06 pm »
Hi.  I am just starting the intermediate foundation course.  I am making a go at learning to transcribe and am following Justin Method in the course.  I see that there are three areas here for developing this skill and I'm kind of confused at the differences...  There is the Justin Method that is in the beginner and intermediate courses, there is the Ear Training Lessons, and then there is the Transcribing Lessons....Can someone explain the differences if any to me and suggest the best place to begin...my thoughts are to do the Justin Method and maybe use the ear training lessons too since it has an APP that goes with it...might be something I can do while in the car..

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2015, 02:00:39 pm »
So I have a few questions about ear training,

1st of all, Justin recommends learning chords by ear, this to me sounds alot more complicated than learning chord progressions, I mean, ok, sure, after a certain amount of time, you might recognize some normal chords, but then these chords can be played in barre chords and now they sound different again.

Do beginners really get to the point where they can distinguish between all chords?

Also this site seems to have a few sections about ear training (transcribing, JUSTIN method & ear training), which is also quite confusing as to where to start.

Would it also not be more beneficial to learn the intervals before learning to recognize chords by ear?

I really want to get better in ear training but it just seems like it's a bit chaotic at the moment, not sure where to start, I downloaded the program train my ear, which I found on this forum, stage 1 okay, stage 2 okay, stage 2+, mixing Minor & Major chords and 6 options already, I just can't imagine a beginner being able to recognize and differentiate between all those chords.


What I'm asking basically is a beginner, by now maybe intermediate, not guitar player but ear trained person to point out how they started and what they feel is the most efficient method?

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2015, 03:53:29 pm »
1st of all, Justin recommends learning chords by ear... clip

Also this site seems to have a few sections about ear training (transcribing, JUSTIN method & ear training), which is also quite confusing as to where to start... clip

Well, not really.  He spends a lot of time teaching you the chords and how to play them.  But as you learn them he thinks you should learn to identify them by ear.

Start at the beginning.

You are taught A, D, and E open chords in the beginners course stage one.  Then there is an ear training lesson to learn to hear the difference between these three chords also in stage one.  I believe this is the first time this show up: http://justinguitar.com/en/BC-118-JUSTINstage1.php

Each stage of the beginners intermediate course has an ear training section related to what is used in the stage.

Sounds like you have jumped to the post intermediate Aural Training section.  Which kinda assumes you have already done the foundational work.

Do beginners really get to the point where they can distinguish between all chords?

I just can't imagine a beginner being able to recognize and differentiate between all those chords.

Yes.  They do.  "All those chords" starts out with 3 open position chords, the goes up to 6 - the same three plus their minor versions.  Then as you learn more chords you learn to identify the chords you have learned...

And this isn't about perfect pitch - as in someone plays a random note out of the 88 on a piano and you can say that was E4. 

The point is to get to first get to the point where you can find a chord that was played using your guitar to check; your ear and your guitar to figure out what was played. 

Eventually you will get to the point where you can tell chord quality just by hearing it... minor, major, 7, minor7... but it is likely that you will need your guitar in hand for quite sometime to know exactly where it was played.  That isn't all about ear, a lot of it happens with other clues, was there a slide sound, where did it go next, are those fingers handy...?

Bottom line follow through with how this information is presented in the course and it will get you there... Beginner and Intermediate first then look at the other ear training options.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2016, 12:10:03 pm »
Can i please just get clarifcation on something about intervals. I'm a bit confused by the terminology 4th and 5th. Its possible i might have missed something along the way in my reading. So anyway between the first note and the second note in the 4th interval is that 4 notes or one note? And between the first note and the second note in the 5th is that two notes or five notes?


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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2016, 03:46:04 pm »
In the key of C major:

C D E F G A B C
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1


So C to G is a 5th: C (D E F) G - 1 (2 3 4) 5
And C to F is a 4th: C (D E) F - 1 (2 3) 4

Does that answer the question?

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2016, 10:46:55 am »
More than… but thanks very much anyway. :-)

It was a really simple question and I got my answer when I did the second ear training lesson last night. The answer was 4 notes and 5 notes. I know it should have been obvious by the name of it anyway but sometimes I over think things and I just want extreme simplicity and clarity.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2016, 04:42:36 pm »
Hi Folks

I feel my lack of ear training is holding me back somewhat.  Sometimes I can pick the chords/key/notes out sometime I can't. I'm also never confident that I am right. Can any of you good people recommend a practice routine/app/lessons etc... Or even tell me how you learnt to use your ear.

I would also like to take this opportunity to wish you all a great new year.

Thanks in advance

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2016, 05:36:53 pm »
Justin has a whole section of the web site devoted to ear training.
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/ET-000-EarTraining.php

He also has ear training included in the beginner course right from stage 1
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-118-JUSTINstage1.php

He also has an app
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/AP-003-EarTrainerApp.php

Or you could do his transcribing course which will also improve you ears.
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/TR-000-Transcribing.php

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2016, 05:57:35 pm »
Thanks Stitch, I never did the BC/IM just consolidated what I couldn't already do. I've neglected my ear and it would probably be best to start at the beginning and work my way through.

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Re: ET-001 • Ear Training Basics
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2018, 07:19:47 am »
Ear Training Question;

     Is it still considered a 5th or 6th (or whatever interval you are working on) both going to higher note
and to a lower note (ascending and descending?).
    In Justin's new lesson today on the major 6th interval, he is using the key of C and the songs he chooses to find the 6th are all going to the higher note.  The 6th is the note A but you'd need a different song in your mind ascending vs descending.
    When I am transcribing songs I have quite a bit of trouble when the key is on the 5th string (i.e key of C) and then the 4th and 5th cords are on the 6th string and it is hard for me to identify them clearly?
     Do you experts have a song in your mind for the ascending interval and the descending interval or are you able to hear it whether it is going up or down.  Thanks, Steve

 

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