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AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« on: July 14, 2008, 04:38:35 pm »
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 06:03:34 pm by justinguitar »
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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 09:06:24 pm »
Hi Justin: I'm new in the guitar, and I see you always say play the chord then play the arpeggio and then the chord again, I believe you but, I can not  find the chords in the arpeggios, can you tell me how to find them. What chords are in Dominant 7 (E) shape position 1. ???

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 12:22:49 am »
When you look at the diagram for the Dominant 7th arpeggio, you probably there are to many notes, but there are only 4 different notes: R 3 5 b7. Those notes are just doubled.
The general way to play dom7th chord is this



Now compare it with the dom7th arpeggio diagram in 1st (E) position  ;)

You can also make your own grips buy using those 4 notes in any way that you like.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 09:45:26 pm »
Thanks Rile!. OK now I see some thing in the arpeggio, well lets work up on it. Have a nice day

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2009, 06:10:43 pm »
what do you use arpeggios for? soloing or a specific type of music like blues??

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 06:31:37 pm »
Stivs, you can arpeggiate any chord so no it does not have to be just blues.
As you know, what you are doing is breaking up the chord, playing the notes of the chord, in no required particular order really. Its great for harmonizing, for building up your solos.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 01:46:16 pm »
Hi,

This is my first post, and firstly, I would like to say that I have learn quite a lot from Justin and the lessons put up on the website, thanks Justin and Co.! I live in Singapore( I hope you know where that is, ;D) and guitar gear can get quite expensive, so lessons from a teacher would be adding to cost but the website has helped me a lot! Thanks again!

Regarding Arpeggios, are they only limit to these shapes and the Caged system shapes? What I'd like to know if I can use specific scale and areppegiate that. Example, I have been going through the Blues lessons and have learnt the first shape of the A Minor Pentatonic Scale. Is it possible to somehow manipulate this scale to play an arpeggio? I have tried using the whole scale, and it kinda sounded either 'scale-ish' or just plain crap, :-\.

Not sure if if made any sense, 'cause I don't really have much background theory and stuff. I've been planning to buy the Practical Theory book, and might be purchasing it soon ;).

Thanks!

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 02:59:00 pm »
Chord ( at least 3 notes ) = Notes sounding together to form a certain sound.
--Ex. Major Chord, Minor Chord, Dom7 Chord, 13th Chord, Maj 7th Chord

Arpeggio = The notes from ANY chord played individually ( not at the same time ), one after the other. It is not necessary to play every note contained in an arpeggio at any given position. It is not necessary to play the notes in any certain order.

Scale = A group of notes that are used to form Chords ( The full scale set of notes ), Intervals ( any two notes from the scale at the same time ), Melody ( a string of individual notes from the sale, pladed one at a time )

So no you don't don't really manipulate anything. You start with a Scale. From the scale you build Chords, from the Chords you have your arpeggios.

It's how you play them, the timing and phrasing that makes it sound good. Don't play from top to bottom or bottom to top every time. Skip around. slide into a note. Play the same note several times. Skip notes. Skip strings. Play every other note in the arpeggio. Play every third note.

All of those are just suggestions. Mix them all together. Play whole notes. Play triplets. Slide out of notes. Play rests.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2010, 03:58:22 am »
Hi There, I just watched the intro to arpeggios, and read the page on dominant 7th's. It's stated that you should always start with the root (lowest note) and end on the lowest note, but in the E shape, for example, the root is an F# (not the lowest note). E would be the lowest note. Can someone help me understand this?

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2010, 10:26:33 pm »
Never mind... I get it now!  :D

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2010, 12:19:16 am »
hello new here  :) just wanted to ask at what fret shud i start ivf i play the Dom7 in Eposition??

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2010, 10:18:27 pm »
 I know that mini Arpegggggggggios are played with a down motion and up motion in sweep picking.
What about the long Arpeggios, i have been practicing them with alternate picking. Is that correct?

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2010, 01:01:10 am »
Alternate picking is probably the best way to practice arpeggios.  I'm guessing you could sweep pick the whole thing (personally I have little interest in trying).  I guess if you want to be able to play arpeggios as sweep picking you'll need to practice them that way.  Otherwise I recommend sticking with alternate picking.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 07:40:58 pm »
Hi there!

I just love arpeggios, as a matter of fact, I've been learning them. I can play all the ''boxes'' on the web page, but I like to take a deep look on everything that I learn, I did this with the minor pentatonic, blues scales, all the chords that I know, and of course, the arpeggios' shapes. What I always look for are the intervals or the notes.

What I noticed on those ''boxes'' for the dominant 7th arpeggios is that there are two wrong; the E and A arpeggios. I tried to play them in open positions, but the roots and some notes just don't agree with the interval structures of those arpeggios, at least for me. Can anybody check them out or help me to understand why's that?

Thanks in advance, have a happy new year! ^^

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2010, 11:00:26 pm »
The shapes look and sound right to me.  Is there a specific interval that is confusing you? 

Remember that the E arpeggio is actually the "E shape" arpeggio.  The actual arpeggio that you play depends on the root note that you start on.  If you're playing in open position (I guess you're meaning that the first note of the second string on the E shape box is played open) you would actually be playing an F7 arpeggio because the root note is F.  Is that what is confusing you? 

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2011, 01:00:57 am »
Yeah, I know what you're talking about the root note that you start on. The thing is that there are open positions for the CAGED notes. I'm assuming that the shapes came from the open position, but when I try to play them as I said, I've found some mistakes.

My grammar is not very good, I'm Chilean, so I tried to make it easier with an image:

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2625/arpeggiosdoubt.png

I didn't moved or removed anything from the web page. Everything except for my notes is the same.

I hope somebody can understand my problem now.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2011, 11:45:33 pm »
I'm pretty sure I understand what you're saying.  If you want to play these arpeggios in open position with the root note on an open string you'll need to modify the shape.  For instance on the E shape, the first note on the 5th string will not be playable and so you'll need to play it on the 6th string.  The note is G# and so you could play the 4th fret on the 6th string.

You could also play the A shape with the root note as an open string, you'll just have to reposition those two notes to be on the strings before they would ordinarily come.  You could do 3rd fret 6th string instead of the first 5th string note and 4th fret 5th string instead of the problem 4th string note.

Doing this would give you slightly customized arpeggio shapes that might  be a bit more awkward when you move them around the neck (but maybe they wouldn't actually be all that bad).

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2011, 04:33:23 am »
I can't quite understand your question. Nor can I understand your graphic.

However...... The SHAPES/PATTERNS   

NEVER change shape unless you re-tune your guitar to a non-standard tuning. EADGBE tuning they always stay the same.

Now, if you slide a pattern up to the nut, sometimes a note or two will not be available. BUT, that same note will show up on the next connecting pattern higher.

The G Shape connects to the A Shape. So in your picture you slide that back to the nut until R sits on the Open A. Then the two notes that drop off will be in the connecting G Shape several frets up the neck.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2011, 06:32:16 pm »
Ok, I got what to do with the E shape, now it's correct.

About the A shape, I couldn't understand you, but I changed the pattern by following the chord structure.

This is what I've got:


http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3783/arpeggioscorrection.png

The new A shape takes its time to play it well, but not to much. Except for the b7 the shape is the closest that I've found to the A major arpeggio shape. I play it barring the 3 notes on the 2nd fret, moving my index up while changing the note.

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I now what you're saying about shapes and connections, TB. The problem is that for every CAGED chord or arpeggio is an open position. Maybe, the A shape is correct if you move it to higher frets, but is not accurate in open position, at least for me. If you play the A shape as open position, some notes are wrong.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2011, 07:41:38 pm »
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I now what you're saying about shapes and connections, TB. The problem is that for every CAGED chord or arpeggio is an open position. Maybe, the A shape is correct if you move it to higher frets, but is not accurate in open position, at least for me. If you play the A shape as open position, some notes are wrong.


You are using the A Shape in your diagram. The figure on the right is the A Shape. The C# note on 5th string is part of the connecting G Shape.

 You could also fill in notes E open, G 3rd and A 5th on low E string.

That would be A Shape in open position with some connecting notes from G Shape. That little bar of three notes is the top of the G shape.

The Shapes of CAGED do not prevent them from being used in open position. Of course different fingerings are used though.

Again, some notes will drop off any given shape at either end of the guitar neck but the shape and more importantly, it's name and how you think of it, doesn't change.

It's still the A Shape because that's the shape to play an A Chord in the Open position.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2011, 03:13:21 pm »
Is there any reason I can't start the A shape arpeggio with the third finger on the low root note rather than the second - it seems much easier.
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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2011, 03:16:13 pm »
Sorry - ignore that - I was doing it the wrong way:-/
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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 07:00:47 pm »
I'm not totally sure what kind of arpeggio I was looking at, but I don't think it matters... so here we go:
The patters show what finger and where to place them compared to eachother, but is there a specific note or fret the arpeggio is supposed to be played on?
Or does it have to start on the root note, which is the Letter/note the pattern is called?

I find this very confusing, maybe because I'm not ready for this, but I'm curious!

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2011, 05:04:48 am »
Hopefully this will make sense.  Say you want to play a D7 arpeggio.  To do this, you will need to end up playing the notes found in a D7 chord, except individually (that's what makes it an arpeggio).  So, if you position any of the 5 shapes such that the root note (indicated with an R in the diagrams) is on a D, then that shape will give you a D7 arpeggio.  So, there will be 5 different shapes you can use to play D7 arpeggio, each of which will be found at a different position along the neck.

They also name the shapes after the CAGED system chord shape that they're based around.  For instance, the E shape is based around the E major chord note arrangement (just like we talk about E shaped bar chords and A shaped bar chords).  The important thing here is that the name of the arpeggio comes from the chord it is based on (i.e. the root note gives the arpeggio it's letter name).  The shape name refers only to the pattern, not the notes of the arpeggio.

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Re: AR-003 • Dominant 7th Arpeggios
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2011, 02:26:30 pm »
So, if I understood you correctly, the root note names the arpeggio and the pattern does as well?
If that's so, a D7 arpeggio would have a D as a root note, and would be in a regular 7th arpeggio shape?

Another question, isn't it the combination of notes that makes the chord/arpeggio?
How come a D7 can be played several ways? Is the arpeggio done an octave higher at the neck five times? Or don't the root note matter?

And by the way, I'm not familiar with the dominant and deminished stuff, but I guess I could just check that out later.

I'm aware of that I sound like an idiot, but sooner or later I got to learn this!
I appreciate your help, but just as you know it, it can get quite challenging to learn me stuff that I don't get at all!

 

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