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Re: TE-003 • Scale Picking
« Reply #125 on: June 11, 2012, 10:59:31 am »
Hi everybody,

I'm starting to play more solos now, and so far I succeed in playing most of the solos that I learned, along with the studio records of the songs. But I have difficulties with some of the solos, which contain fast licks. I'm talking for example when there is a pattern from the natural minor (mostly) scale played as triplets. I think it is very common even for some slow songs around 60-80 BPM.
My first question is can I play some of these patterns for speed training with a metronome, since it is less boring (for me at least) than playing the major scale up and down and is more melodic?
And my second question is could you give some advices for playing triplets, since even when I succeed in playing the tones at the same tempo, it doesn't sound exactly as the record?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: TE-003 • Scale Picking
« Reply #126 on: January 05, 2013, 03:58:10 pm »
Hi there,

Ive been practicing the major scale in 1st position for 6 months and the highest beat i got to is 108 (4 notes per beat)  but then it also didnt sound too good. Should I just move on and start practicing other scales? What scale should I practice next?

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Re: TE-003 • Scale Picking
« Reply #127 on: January 05, 2013, 05:38:56 pm »
Hhave you been trying to 'make music' with the major scale in the first position?
How have you practiced besides at speed?
Look at this:
http://justinguitar.com/en/SC-010-ScalePractice.php

Have you played it in melodic patterns?
http://justinguitar.com/en/SC-012-PatternStudies.php

http://justinguitar.com/en/SC-022-MajMelPat.php

It is not a speed thing.
And you need to learn position 2 after position 1 ...
http://justinguitar.com/en/SC-021-MajFivePos.php



check out Master the Major Scale if you have not already.
http://justinguitar.com/en/PR-005-MasterMajorScale.php

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Re: TE-003 • Scale Picking
« Reply #128 on: April 30, 2013, 12:20:26 am »
Hello, I know this is a very noob question but when I am alternate picking do I strictly use my wrist to flick the pick up and down or should I incorporate some forearm as well. What exactly is good form when it comes to this? Thanks a lot folks! :)

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Re: TE-003 • Scale Picking
« Reply #129 on: May 03, 2013, 06:16:52 pm »
Are there any exercises  meant for increasing the speed of the picking hand and making the picking hand more efficient? my right hand becomes uncomfortable when i increase picking speed. Please advise. Thank You.

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Re: TE-003 • Scale Picking
« Reply #130 on: May 25, 2013, 04:31:52 pm »
rvirtuosics - Most people would advocate the picking motion to come primarily from the wrist. You may have to shift the position of your hand as you cross strings to maintain the correct angle and that would involve small movements of your arm, but the picking motion itself remains wrist only. That said people do all kinds of crazy stuff, like using a thumb and forefinger movement or supergluing their picks to a power drill...but wrist is probably the most common and generally preffered option.

HHT20 - You can turn any passage you're struggling with into a picking exercise. The key is no surprise really...learn the passage very slowly, and then gradually speed it up focusing on economy of motion and staying relaxed. If you feel yourself start to tense up at any point focus on relaxing until you are picking without really feeling anything. Start with a simple pattern of say 4 notes and go from there. Isolate areas that you find more difficult (e.g. inside picking for me) and spend more time on those. If you're lucky it'll click relatively quickly, but for most mortals this takes years of work to get right.

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #131 on: March 31, 2015, 04:10:52 pm »
Hi everyone. I have a question about scale picking. I have been stuck at the same tempo for ages, and mostly because I introduced the right hand muting technique, as in the right hand resting on the strings and muting the strings I dont pick. I am much faster when my hand is floating over the strings with my little finger as an anchor and I can get up to much higher tempos. Should I seperate the two exercises? One excercise for scale picking with muted hand technique and one without?

Thanks for any help..

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #132 on: March 31, 2015, 05:21:48 pm »
Here is a thing to try called bursting: https://youtu.be/NuKqJqs5kyk

I have also started working on small pieces of the scales up and down rather than the whole thing at once.  Working on specific problem areas.  I find that I can play the snippets faster than I can play through the whole 2 octave shape... enough snippets cover the shape... increase the speed... and I find that adds up to more speed for the whole shape eventually.  I grow the snippets by adding a note, or a string.


Break it down, work the speed, put it back together.

Examples (strict alternate picking, G Major, a few of infinite ways to make snippets):

Give your self a restbeat between the patterns
    1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a   1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a 
E|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
B|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
G|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
D|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
A|------2-3--2---------------------2-3-|-2-----------------------etc.-------|
E|--3-5--------5-3-2--3--------3-5-----|---5-3-2-3---------3-5--------------|

OR Jam them together
    x                 x                  x
    1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a   1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a 
E|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
B|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
G|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
D|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
A|------2-3--2------------2-3--2-------|-----2-3--etc.----------------------|
E|--3-5--------5-3-2--3-5--------5-3-2-|-3-5--------------------------------|

OR add a note which changes your pickingnd patterns
    1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a   1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a 
E|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
B|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
G|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
D|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
A|------2-3--5-3-2--------2-3--5-3-2---|----etc.----------------------------|
E|--3-5------------5--3-5------------5-|-3----------------------------------|

OR move it to a new position
    1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a   1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a 
E|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
B|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
G|----2-4-5--4-2--------2-4-5--4-2-----|------------------------------------|
D|--5------------5-4--5------------5-4-|-5-etc.-----------------------------|
A|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
E|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|

OR add a string
    x                          x
    1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a   1 e + a  2 e + a  3 e + a  4 e + a 
E|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
B|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
G|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------|
D|-------------2-----------------------|---2--------------------------------|
A|------2-3--5---5-3--2------------2-3-|-5---5-3--2----------etc.-----------|
E|--3-5-----------------5-3-2--3-5-----|------------5-3-2--3----------------|


Add these to what you are already doing... not a replacement
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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #133 on: April 03, 2015, 12:49:26 pm »
Hey, thanks a lot for the help Scott... I'll def. will try that out for sure, nice to mix it up and it seems logical.

Do you think I should separate my scale exercises though? One with right hand muting, to work slower tempo on that technique and one without hand muting so I can get up to higher speeds with my fretting hand?

Thanks a bunch

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #134 on: April 03, 2015, 01:57:33 pm »
The only caution I have is not to divide things up so much that you lose focus.  There are a ton of things you do using the basic concept of scale picking.  But I don't see a problem with doing a right hand muting version.

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #135 on: April 28, 2015, 10:08:05 am »
Hi guys,

I have reached relatively clean playing of major scale 16th notes at 100 BPMs, but still sounds too slow compared to some tremolo picking fast passages that I hear in some even slow solos. My question is what do you think about directional/economy picking for increasing the speed? Should I give that a try or are you against it as a technique (even though it is pretty much the same as alternate picking  :) )?  ???

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #136 on: April 28, 2015, 02:41:54 pm »
I would advice you to start practicing some of the specific fast licks that you want to play. Picking a full scale is almost always harder than picking a specific lick, so it's likely you'll be able to play the fast passages in a specific solo even if you "only" can do 100 BMP at 16th with the major scale (that's actually also around the point I'm at, my max is 110 when warmed up and 100 pretty comfortably). Take tremolo picking as an example - that's a very different, and simpler, technique than alternate picking a full scale.

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #137 on: April 28, 2015, 03:11:03 pm »
@J0hny,

I would think you would want to get your alternate picking a bit faster before you worry about sweep/economy picking.

I agree with Kasper, start learning some of the fast licks you like and work them up to speed.  Straight up and down the scale with every note at the same is more difficult than many fast licks end up being.  That is kind of the point of the exercise.

If you are smooth and clean you could also consider adding some variety to your scale picking.  Go up and on just a couple strings, reverse directions... something like in this post:

https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=10400.msg318021#msg318021

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #138 on: April 28, 2015, 05:05:59 pm »
And don't forget note every note is picked in a lick or solo. Using hammer ons, pull offs and slides
between picking will always sound faster than just picking.

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2015, 09:00:22 am »
Guys, thank you very much for the advice! I never used sweep picking and wanted to know if this is the appropriate time to get to know it, but as I suspected it is still too early :)

And don't forget note every note is picked in a lick or solo. Using hammer ons, pull offs and slides
between picking will always sound faster than just picking.

Yes I always have hard time figuring if it is legato or staccato playing for the fast passages - sometimes when I listen it full speed it sounds like a definitive hammer ons and pull offs, but when I slow it down to 50% for eg. it sounds like almost all notes are picked separately... always being confused at that point :S 

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #140 on: April 30, 2015, 09:09:33 am »
I really need to do a lesson on the different picking options - just bumped it up the to do list!

There are so many different approaches - and they're all valid - just different :)
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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #141 on: June 19, 2015, 09:11:30 am »
Hey again,

Regarding the directional picking question, I just stumbled upon Steve Vai's 30 hr workout, in which again he speaks of directional picking when changing the strings - alternative picking on one string and if switching to upper string playing upstroke, and if to lower - down pick. He does not mention how to implement it with scales - only with angular exercises.

More over I found a couple of opinions on the web, that alternative and directional picking shouldn't be practiced separately, since they are the same thing, only directional picking is upgraded alternative.

Now since Justin's site and forum have always been a starting point for me and I have implemented exercises like the spider and scale picking in my daily routine, my question is how could I add directional picking and does this makes the spider pointless?

It seems to me that this could boost my skills, since I reached 120BPM at 16th notes (even though not very consistently), but I am afraid that if I don't understand this concept correctly (and since I am missing official confirmation from Justin if the technique is okay :P) I could make a mistake and then have to invest more time to clear it up :)

Please give me some guide again! Thanks a lot!

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #142 on: July 03, 2015, 10:55:55 am »
Hey guys,

It's me again  (sorry couldn't find edit button :D)

So after some practicing with economy picking I could tell that it requires some additional effort to keep the rhythm steady (for example playing 16th notes on 80-100 bpm, could sound sometimes inconsistent while changing strings) in my case and I guess it will need some work to get it right.

Other wise for faster playing like 110-130 BPM feels easier and at least I cannot spot any rhythmic problems (simply because it is my top speed and I am concentrated most when playing it, I guess :) )

I started paying attention of my picking pattern while soloing and it seems like a mix - while I play slow parts it is alternative and when I get to fast passages it gets eco...  ??? not sure if I have to fix this, but I think that if it sounds right it should be correct :)

So it seems to me that when playing real music, it is normal to use hybrid between the two techniques, but is it important which one will I use while practicing scales, spider and other technique exercises? Justin is mostly talking about alternate picking and I am not sure if exercises will be correctly performed with economy as well...  :o

Cheers!
« Last Edit: July 03, 2015, 11:20:45 am by J0hny »

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #143 on: January 03, 2016, 09:42:46 pm »
Should I watch at my picking hand while practicing or not?

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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #144 on: January 04, 2016, 04:29:36 pm »
I would say that eventually you don't want to be.
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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #145 on: January 04, 2016, 04:53:47 pm »
Yamaha, it's inevitable that as a newbie you'll watch your hand. Over time you'll find that you will be able to more accurately pick the strings without looking at them and as Dr Winterbourne says eventually you wont want to look at them and indeed wont.
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Re: TE-301 • Scale Picking
« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2016, 06:06:45 pm »
Ok, thanks guys. I assumed that that is right way to do it, but just wanted to be sure.

 

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