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Title: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: justinguitar on September 20, 2007, 10:09:07 pm
Problems with this stuff addressed here!

J :)

Lesson Links:
Part 1: http://justinguitar.com/en/RH-010-HendrixRhythm1.php
Part 2: http://justinguitar.com/en/RH-011-HendrixRhythm2.php

Questions...
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: animl on September 21, 2007, 07:48:17 pm
Hi Justin. I've been folowing your vids for several months and rlearned a great deal from you - thanks!

I was wondering if you would add a part III to the Hendirx rhythm lessons that focuses on your picking and strumming patterns. I think that would bring the whole package together for us

thanks!
Title: Hendrix lesson notes
Post by: brettjonesok on September 26, 2007, 08:42:30 pm
hi justin. can't tell you how appreciative i am to you for all the great lessons and tips. you're awesome. i was just going to see if you could put up some lesson notes on your site for 109 and 110 hendrix lessons. i got the idea but would like to see the fingerings.  these lessons were two that i am really going to put to use and am excited to work into my playing. thanks so much. look forward to more.
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: LievenDV on September 27, 2007, 07:36:49 am
yeah that hendrix rythmn lessons sounds so sweet bt some notes/tab would be helpful cuz my hearing is that great yet :D

keep up the good work!
Title: Using the thumb to play the root note
Post by: SixSteelStrings on October 07, 2007, 07:30:50 pm
Firstly, thanks for these and all the lessons, you've really helped to revive what had become a dormant interest in guitar for me.

The problem I have with this lesson is getting the thumb to sound the note clearly on the low E string at the same time as the kind of mini-barre F chord.

Is there anything I'm missing here, or is it just hours and hours of painful thumb twisting that will lead me to the promised land?

Cheers!
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: darkprophet on October 12, 2007, 01:29:25 am
Regarding the E shapped barre chord the way jimi does it, I can't seem to get the bottom two strings to ring out except if I role my fingers towards the nut. This means all my fingers are sort of "leaning" towards the nut and are not straight on to the fretboard.

Is this way of doing it OK or do I have to keep practicing with the fingers dead straight?

DP :)
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: justinguitar on October 13, 2007, 10:30:17 am
Will try and get some notes for the hendrix class - it's fun eh :) I've just been busy :(

Re: using the thumb... it is just hard work and pain I'm afraid - took me ages to get it together. Yes it's fine to angle your fingers more - you have too - I am doing that on the vid!

If I write down the rhythms for that stuff it becomes too hard to read - best just to listen and try and imitate.

Will see if I get time to do some notes after this forum session!

J
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: rossen on October 14, 2007, 10:43:19 am
Hey there, I was wondering - can you give some tips for fretting two strings with the third finger? Thanks.
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: Nolita on October 31, 2007, 03:18:04 am
Couldn't resist.  Would be lying if I said "I don't want to be even 1/10 as good as Jimi Hendrix' pinkie finger".  Even though I haven't completely mastered everything, I figure giving it a go every now and again for fun can't hurt me too much.

Here's what I think I've figured out.  For two notes with 3rd finger.  I'm not playing with my fingertip.  I'm letting that particular section of finger flatten out as much as it will(hehe only good thing about really flexible joints really).  It then goes ahead and frets those two notes while muting the note next to them(right about where my finger's bent).  It's almost like inverse fretting.  Normally I'm "playing" with my fingertips.  

Hehe just had an earthquake, guess the mere thought of Jimi Hendrix can move the earth...

Back on topic; but in this instance, and others(I've seen them but not tried them, advanced songs/techniques), you have to go ahead and let the finger flatten out.  Without really big hands/fingers, I can't figure any other way.
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: DeadlyChicken on October 31, 2007, 04:48:29 am
For as long asI have been playing barre chords I played them this kinda way.

Only I do not fret two strings with one finger, I use the pinky too.  it still seems to give me the freedom to pull that pinky off and put it anywhere else and still sounds good to my ear ( I may be muting the string the pinky vacated I am not sure ) .

For me that whole chord using the pinky too is very natural, and I am not sure if I will really benifit right now from learning the technique using one finger for those two strings.

a al

(http://www.xopclan.com/images/dc/guitarweb/grip-barre.JPG)

I notice that I do tend to have that high e muted, but I can get it to ring out if I want to, its just that it mostly sounds better to me muted :p

So I guess my question to Justin would be, should I skip over this for now, as I feel I have a way to play that type of chord, or is it really worth re learning the more advanced fingering. ?
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: Nolita on October 31, 2007, 05:52:57 am
Hey Chicken,

  Not to be a party pooper but, it's not that you're holding the chord wrong(will let Justin have final word on that), so much as it's that when it's time to play some of the stuff where you hear it and ask "How the hell is one guitarist playing that all together?", that's where pinkie comes in :).  I mean, watch the lesson vids + listen to the sounds.  It's like your other fingers are working at holding down the chord.  But pinkie's a little show off.  Pinkie's just riffin', pinkie rocks.  Yeah I said it.
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: DeadlyChicken on October 31, 2007, 06:53:03 am
yeah I can get tha tpinky to move about and hammer on and pull of on other strings without too much trouble, which is why I wondering if I "need" to learn the one finger version ;)

e.g. under the bridge the little hammer ons and pull offs I can do using this technique and to me it sounds good :D

I can see that having the pinky free gives you more choice. I am just not sure if its right for me to start learning this methond now.
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: Nolita on October 31, 2007, 11:36:49 pm
Oh cool.  You don't wanna know...something about "I'm Pinkie the hardest working finger in showbiz.  I pity the fool who gets in my way!"  Was silliness.  I'm a goof, can't help it.

What if I say that from where I'm sitting it looks like a better workout for pinkie than finger gym?  Cuz it really does.  I mean poor pinkie.  How many solos are there where the poor little guy's stuck on the bench?  And he wants to get in there and riff baby.  He wants to, and he's right at the high 3 strings, he can reach 'em...

Pinkie's jealous.  Pinkie wants to ROCK!.  Pinkie says "Put me in Coach!  Put me in!  I'm ready!  I'm ready!!!".

Why did I just anthropomorphosize a finger?  Overactive imagination + too much coffee?
Title: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: justinguitar on November 16, 2007, 05:42:18 pm
Hi DC

Looks cool to me.

The one finger version is something that just happened along the way for me - it can sound cool - but mostly it's just about doing WHAT YOU NEED TO DO!

It's it's workin for you then it's cool - if not, I guess you need to work on it!

Sounds like you got it together anyhow!

J
Title: Hand position
Post by: JD on January 21, 2008, 03:31:44 pm
When I'm (trying) to play the hendrix-style 6th string root chords, to be able to hold down all the strings I end up having to twist my fretting hand around so that the neck is lying along my palm. Is this right or usual - I cant quite see if justin is doing this in the vid...
Title: Re: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: ghost_chr on March 15, 2008, 06:47:29 am
Hello!

Here's what I wanted to ask:
1. About E shape major chords, played hendrix-like, do I have to always get my first finger on both the high E string and the B string or should I just play the B string and mute the high E? I find it pretty difficult to play both of those strings along with using my thumb on the 6th string E. So, should I learn to play them both or should I just play the high E only when I need to and not at simple rhythm parts?

2.I've seen the ways that you(Justin) explained Hendrix's style of playing barre chords, but I always wonderd how he played E shape minor chords, you know... without barring... it seems pretty difficult to just move the second finger a fret down so that the chord could be minor. So, how can I play these chords Hendrix style?

Now that I have an electric guitar I tend to play all chords this way because it's much more easier, especially when standing up and playing... and although you simplify most chords playing them like this, they still sound good. That's what I think about this technique.
Title: Re: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: GuitarNoobie on April 16, 2008, 10:51:19 am
Hi everyone, I'm just wondering if anyone here knows how to do the Am barre chord hendrix style. (Very handy when standing up especially for those who have long straps).

And yeah thanks justin!!
Title: Re: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: justinguitar on May 13, 2008, 06:00:18 pm
There is not really a Hendrix rhythm trick for the Am shape barre chords! sorry.

J
Title: Re: Lesson YT 109/110 - Hendrix Style Rhythm
Post by: CambaNation on June 22, 2008, 02:39:46 pm
Hi all, I've been playing for about 3 months now and am still trying to get all the theory and technical stuff down. I have improved a great deal, but am still doubting about getting into transcribing just yet. How long do you guys/gals think I should at least be playing in order to jump into transcribing?
Title: Re: Hand position
Post by: justinguitar on July 19, 2008, 06:50:35 pm
When I'm (trying) to play the hendrix-style 6th string root chords, to be able to hold down all the strings I end up having to twist my fretting hand around so that the neck is lying along my palm. Is this right or usual - I cant quite see if justin is doing this in the vid...

that is kinda normal dude - you have to :) J
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: bananajoe on August 09, 2008, 03:44:04 am
Hi Justin,
also having trouble with the thumb over chord. Do you always use the left outside part of your thumb? And
is it pressing the thumb sideways in direction to the headstock or is it more a wrapping around the neck thing?
I can get a clear tone when I use the thumb only, but when gripping the whole chord it's hit or miss most of the time.
Thanks very much!
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: adam_b on October 02, 2008, 05:01:23 pm
I tried to play G chord like it is shown in the video, but it is impossible for me (due to small hands I guess).

But what I found worked right away was to play a regular G barre chord, and let my 3rd finger move down one string to the 4th and mute the 5th string by arcing my first finger and only pressing down on the bottom two strings and the 6th. The pinky is then free and in a comfortable angle.

I do not know if I am missing out on anything by playing this way but it works for me.

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Adam
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: justinguitar on October 19, 2008, 06:11:06 pm
not a bad idea there Adam. :)

playing with the thumb over well is just practice - it took me AGES to learn, like years!!!

Camba - start transcribing as soon as possible!!

Cheers, J
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Misha on November 23, 2008, 02:10:09 pm
Hi Justin and other guitar dudes,

I have a problem with the thumb chord thingie. When using my thumb, i can't let ring both the low and the high e string. When getting my thumb just so i can ring the low e string my fingers mute the high e string, and when i'm letting the high e ring out, my thumb can't let the low e ring. Is there a trick to solve this?

Thanks.

M
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: BrianInTune on November 23, 2008, 03:27:58 pm
It takes practice to get enough hand strength the grip the chord. I took me a while to get it... but eventually your hands become stronger and accustomed to the shape. The general rule of thumb (from what I've heard) is if you wrap your hand around the neck of the guitar, and your thumb and index finger are able to touch, then you will be able to do a hendrix barre.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Misha on November 23, 2008, 04:59:19 pm
I can do that :)

Thanks for the reply, and after practicing for 2 hours i am beginning to get it. I'll make it :D
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: lXJoseOleXl on December 30, 2008, 06:49:52 am
is there anyway that you could continue this series of lessons with some more of hendrix's tricks?
preferrably differnt chords shapes rather then the E and A shapes and possibly some picking patterns useful and expandable for those chords and chord shapes?
that would be VERY much appreciated

thank you for all your time. your a great teacher
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: TimW on January 04, 2009, 08:46:13 am
Hey Justin,
Big fan of your lessons. I'm just wondering what the difference between the thumb over technique is to fretting with the index finger, playing the G string with the middle finger, and playing the D string with the ring finger while also using the ring finger to mute the A string. As far as I can tell this is exactly the same as your pinky is now free to have fun. I also find it a lot easier (especially on acoustic) and less painful. Is there some advantage to the thumb over technique (faster? cooler?)
Thanks,
Tim
(sorry if this was asked earlier in a different wording)
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Adlai on January 07, 2009, 08:17:56 pm
TimW,

If you use your thumb, you have more flexibility. Watch John Frusciante, the guitarist of RHCP, play chords Hendrix style. He gets the bass note with his thumb, and then he uses almost all his fingers to play riffs around the chords. It's much harder to do that when one finger is pinned down.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Adlai on January 23, 2009, 10:08:20 pm
I just watched these lessons again...

The progression at the end is just Hey Joe, isn't it
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: msalamone11 on February 17, 2009, 05:47:56 pm
Dear Justin,

Hey man this is the best section you've got on this entire website.  Definetly add more stuff into this section and complete the tab for it.

Thanks,
Mark
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: raul693 on April 11, 2009, 12:32:19 pm
Hey!, I bumped into Hendrix lessons and loved them, however when I was practicing I noticed that my hand is to small for this (or so I think), I end up with pain and it's really hard for me to use my thumb, even though my guitar has relatively thin neck, on wednesday I think this caused a terrible thumb pain that annoyed me even when fretting regular barre chords. Anyone have this problem? Should I stop doing this? cause I discovered that my pinky moves pretty well so I can still play hendrix rhythm but missing the note on the D or A string

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: tyronne on May 03, 2009, 03:39:14 pm
Hello Justin,

Firstly, thank you for this and all the other lessons.  I've gotten a lot of help from them.

Secondly, the Tele you use in the video...is it a stock one or a '52 re-issue?
Any mods done to it?

Thirdly, What gauge strings do you use on your guitars, both electric and acoustic?

All the best,
-t
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: tillyman on May 16, 2009, 06:04:03 pm
hey justin,

I´ve heard lots of songs where it sounds like the guitarist is expanding the a shape hendrix trick where they just go further up the neck or somehting (i think).
Normally i should only use notes that fit into the actual scale of the song, right?? Because a lot fo times i think they are sort of in the key of the chord theyre playing at that time, not the song.
So if i am playing and using the a shape chord trick in  a song int he key of e for example, when i might play a c chord and do the inversion am i in the key of the song or the chord??
To me it sounds fine both ways, but maybe thats only cause i dont have a band accompanying me in a certain key??
I hope this is not complete bogus and i am making at least a little bit of sense here ;)
It might also be that this doesnt have anything to do with the inversion...
and if it helps, i noticed this on a lot of solo covers by john mayer, like Bold as Love and the Wind Cries Mary

sorry, this turned into quite a rant...
Thanks for all the help,
I owe you
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Halzg on June 21, 2009, 03:17:59 pm
Hey justin thanks for all the great lessons really helping a lot!!!
i was just wondering do you have any tips on playing rhythm while singing i keep slipping into my own rhythms and its a nightmare for ppl playing wit me :( just wondering if you know the best way to practice.

Cheers mate!!
Halz G
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: m_ratan on June 25, 2009, 07:13:47 pm
I have a question on Rhythm and strumming in general.  I hear many say strumming is very easy in playing guitar, however, i am having very much tough time getting my up/down strumming sounding smooth and evenly sounding.  My just down strumming sounds ok though, but when I do down and up strumming (say 1,2,and,3,4,and) while playing some chord progression, that is when it is very hard for me to make it sound smooth and evenly sounding.  Any suggestions?  Perhaps Justing will be kind enough (not that he hasn't been) to create a lession just on strumming practice?  Also, what speed on metronome I should set to for practiving strumming with chord progression?  And what is the top speed should be to reach my goal?
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: BrianInTune on June 26, 2009, 06:40:25 pm
@m_ratan.. Justin had rhythm practice videos but with with the rise of the new beginner's course, he took the old ones down, but the new ones are coming.

As for practicing rhythm, the best thing you can do is set you're metronome at about 90, with each click being a downstrum, and just fiddle with upstrums with that same tempo until they become fluid. I don't think strumming to a metronome should be about dialing up the speed to get you're strumming quicker.. it should be more about maintaining rhythm. Work on strumming that way, and it becomes second nature once you hear a song.. and eventually you'll be able to bump up your rhythm to 8th and 16th notes (which basically means strumming faster following the same tempo)
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: m_ratan on June 29, 2009, 06:05:19 pm
@BrianInTune....Got it!!!  Thanks a bunch!!!.....Peace.
Title: Thumb over with small hands?
Post by: jeffg on August 07, 2009, 11:03:38 pm
Hi Justin - I have tried doing the E shape with the thumb over at times and cant get it - I have small hands and a petty small thumb.  Is it possible for people with small hands to eventually do it - or is no amount of trying going change the physical reality?

thanks,
jeff
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: rudey on November 21, 2009, 10:46:01 pm
For some reason I just cannot do the thumb over for the E-shape chords. What does work for me is doing the normal hand shape and just using the ring finger to play the second and third stings which frees up the pinky and gets the same outcome.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Dash Rendar on December 22, 2009, 06:55:33 pm
I struggle with 'thumb-over E shape' just like adam_b.  Darn these small hands.  I like Adam's idea of muting the 5th string, except I would instead mute the 4th string with my third finger.  The root note is always going to ring out strong in this chord, so it seems to me that letting the 5th (note) ring on the 5th string is probably more important than the root note ringing on the 4th.  That seems to work for me.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Ric-newbie on January 01, 2010, 07:05:10 pm
hi

Ive just watched both vids great little tricks, im just wondering the hammers and flicks shown in part one are they all based around the minor pentatonic scale? im trying to get into the theory side a bit and im just wondering is the scale what forms the boundary of what you would and wouldnt use? For example you have a first finger barre at the 5th fret and you picking notes out to flick and hammer from the 7th fret as you would in a scale as a pose to hammering and flicking at 6 I mean? hope that makes sense  :-\

Cheers

Rich
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Dash Rendar on January 02, 2010, 09:57:43 am
Hi Ric-newbie.  You need to start with a bit of CAGED theory.  Justin starts by playing a C, using the A-shape barre chord at the third fret (root note on the 5th string).  The slide to the fifth fret then shifts us to playing a C chord again, but this time, effectively using a G-shape barre chord, with the barre at the 5th fret (but without playing the 1st and 6th strings).  Because we're now in the 'G-shape' from CAGED theory, we can drop straight into a G major scale, starting with the C note on the 8th fret of the 6th string. This is sometimes referred to as the 5th position of the five conventional ways of playing the major scale, and is shown in Justin's page here: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/SC-001-TheMajorScale.php.

When Justin is doing the hammer-ons and flicks from 5th to 7th frets at this position, he's effectively picking out notes from the C major scale.  Any notes from this scale would work. But, because pentatonic scales are always subsets of diatonic scales (such as the major scale), it turns out that a C major pentatonic scale can also be played at this position too.  At a glance, you should be able to see how the C major pentatonic scale fits 'within' the G major scale.  Have a look at the 'G position' (position 5) of the major pentatonic scale here to see why: http://www.justinguitar.com/en/SC-005-MajorPentatonicScale.php.

So, in a nutshell, when you're doing your hammer-ons and flicks, when you're playing these C chords, you can use notes from either C major, or C major pentatonic. Either will sound good.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Ric-newbie on January 02, 2010, 10:03:19 pm
yea mate your helping a lot there ive got justins practical music guide and im going through it, and asking for advice along the way, so ive looked at what you said i see that the major pent scale is the same as the major scale with the 4th and 7th degrees missing which im guessing in this case are the F and B notes as im not playing those in my position 5 major pent and i am in just major, not sure how you know which the 4th and which is the 7th degree?

 Except that part i get it we are playing a c major A shape barre with and E bass and playing our licks in the same key as the Root note of the chord, So lets say im playing with a jam buddy im playing c major chord the guy can play loads of licks in C postion 5 at the same time will sound cool?

next que would be ive checked it out and if i was to then move to another chord ie G say and i want my buddy to play licks in that key he wouldnt be able to use position 5 because there is no G root scenario  :-\ in that shape is there?

cheers guys i feel like  a few more lights are being swithed on here!!!
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: FrançoisSarrand on March 18, 2010, 08:31:53 pm
Hi guys !

First i just wanted to thank Justin for his awesome work, greatings from France dude !

And i'm here because I'm looking for some help about the hendrix barre chords shape on the left hand.
Well, i don't know if i'm hands are too little for those chords or if i'll get it after training but i just can barre the first and second strings with my index while i'm using my thumb to play the bass note and muting the A string !

Are my hands to little ?


(sorry for my bad english i'm french)
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Tourniquet on March 18, 2010, 08:38:30 pm
Well, i don't know if i'm hands are too little for those chords or if i'll get it after training but i just can barre the first and second strings with my index while i'm using my thumb to play the bass note and muting the A string !

Are my hands to little ?

The guitar neck width, thickness and profile can make a huge difference for this sort of stuff, could be your neck is less than ideal. what are you practicing on?
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: FrançoisSarrand on March 18, 2010, 08:40:46 pm
I'm practicing on a Squier Stratocaster. (not a classic vibe, sadly... haha)

(did i get your question right ? lol)
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Tourniquet on March 18, 2010, 08:47:05 pm
you understood the question fine ;)

Strats are better than most for thumb over... all I can suggest then is keep practicing or possibly consider rounding the fretboard edge if it's rosewood.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: FrançoisSarrand on March 18, 2010, 08:50:38 pm
So it's normal if I just don't get it before months of training ? ;D
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Tourniquet on March 18, 2010, 08:53:43 pm
thumb over can certainly take a bit of getting used to. Took me time at any rate.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: FrançoisSarrand on March 18, 2010, 09:06:42 pm
Ok. Thank you very much for your quick answers.
Keep rockin'
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: thepicnicband on May 03, 2010, 02:18:28 pm
Hello to all and a special "thank you" to Justin whose few lessons that I've done so far have really inspired. Justin, you explain it all so well and I can tell you are a pretty "centred" and patient soul. So thanks. Greets from a fellow atheist too by the way. If there is one thing that deserves a loud belly laugh it is religion.

I've been trying for quite some time now to use the "thumb over" technique (mainly to get that Fmaj7 with the F bass for "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You") but my thumb just won't comply and it's feeling pretty sore now so I've decided that I've got to find another way of doing it. I'm using an F barre to do it now but still can't do the change into it very smoothly and so often the bass F doesn't ring out as it should but is more of a "thud" than an F. I've watched the Hendrix Rhythm video of course but try as I might, my own thumb just doesn't work that way and I've given up trying to do that. I'm now working on trying to improve the change to a regular barred F.

It seems to me that many have had the same difficulty in using their thumb, judging from the number of posts on the subject and I was wondering if anyone else has been using a normal barred F instead. It seems to be the logical alternative.
If so, then has anyone else had trouble at first making the change but gone on to master it?

Ben.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Dan77 on May 21, 2010, 05:31:13 pm
I have a question about the thumb-over grip/position. When i try it i cant seem to get a sound at the 1st string, no matter how many changes i make in how i hold the grip/position.

Also another concern is the 5th string, my fingers arent that long so im having trouble getting a sound at the 5th string. I can mute the 5th string easily and get a decent sound at the 6th string. If i where to try to make the 5th string decent in a thumb over grip is causes some discomfort in my fretting hand.

Is this the case or it just happens when im trying it out for the few instances im learning it.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: bjs on May 30, 2010, 07:05:23 pm
Hi Justin/Everyone,

Thought i would join as i have a question and thought i might be able to get some advice/help hopefully.

I've been playing guitar for around 5/6 years, i've always used the technique of playing the third of the chord way rather than playing a chord with the root note on the A string (basically how it is shown in hendrix rythym guitar 1), however i've never used the thumb as the root note before or to mute the a string whilst playing the root note with the thumb. I've seen people like Hendrix use it before but the past few months i've really been getting into Mayer and saw him live, never realised how much he used this thumb technique and what a difference it can make to the possibilites with chords.

So i have a couple of questions,

1. I've been attempting it recently and i'm finding it hard to do yet i've played for around 5 years, is this normal?
2. Whenever i do seem to get it right, my thumb isn't straight, it's more the left of it is leaning onto the E string and it's just below the fold between the top of the thumb and the middle which is playing the root note, is this the right way to go about it/normal or should i attempt to make my thumb more straight?
3. I'm going to keep practicing it although i'm getting a slight bit of pain in my finger when i do it, is the pain normal? it usually goes around 15 minutes after i stop playing.
4. Could it be that my guitar is affecting how good it sounds or should this not matter? The reason why i ask is because i play a Gibson Les Paul Standard, the neck is quite fat compared to thin fender necks, etc...

If you could help Justin/anyone that would be great!

Thanks!
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: komani86 on September 14, 2011, 03:18:36 pm
@bj's: NO PAIN NO GAIN. Just be careful that its normal "exhausting" feeling that takes longer and longer to come after each time you practice this grip. Playing 5 years can make you a good player for sure, but this grip is really difficult! I'm in my first year, much to learn much to do..

I'm trying to get the hang of it for 2 weeks now and I can get the grip down without buzzing any strins, but as soon as I use my pinker for anything else then the 1st string (the 2nd/3rd) my shape gets messed up..
I do it in my daily practice routine for 5 mins, seems to help that I do other stuff next to it :)

And as many people said, it helps if you have a neck that fits your hand. For the one its a flatter neck the other a rounder neck..
I'm thinking i made a mistake with my new guitar.. the neck is a bit flatter and maybe if the neck was a bit rounder/bigger I could get more pressure.

Oh and dont forget to finger stretch!
I have slightly bigger than avarage hands btw.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Caribou115 on November 29, 2011, 03:00:02 am
im practicing this grip for a week now.

And yes, im having troubles with my thumb but also with forming a bar for the e and B string with my index, strangely enough. I guess I should just keep practicing?  I really want to get this chord down, but i wont be done in a jiffy apparently...
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: komani86 on November 30, 2011, 11:19:56 am
@Carbiou15: I got the grip down and can play around with it confidently at the 3rd and 5th fret. The other frets arent that confident (yet). It's really fun to mix it up (like justin said) in your playing.

I think its the same when you first learn barre chords its like "omg how is this possible" but when you keep practicing at one point you'll be like "meh what was so hard about this grip?" :)

Good luck!
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Caribou115 on November 30, 2011, 01:07:40 pm
yeah i know what you mean. Its already starting to improve, lol. I should just keep practicing instead of whining that things are hard on the forum :).
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Nikhil on December 26, 2012, 03:47:39 pm
Is it advisable to try out the thumb-over grip on an acoustic guitar ? I am yet to buy an electric guitar hence wanted to try it out on the acoustic just to get an idea of it. Is neck width of acoustic guitar too much for this sort of thing ?

When I try to use my thumb to play the sixth string and mute the fifth , I am unable to play the first two strings by my index, just as some other people on this thread.

Should I wait till I get an electric guitar ? Or is there a work around for playing Hendrix style G-chord on acoustic guitar?
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Guitar_noob on December 29, 2012, 07:04:11 pm
Is it advisable to try out the thumb-over grip on an acoustic guitar ?

I guess it depends on the size of the neck of your acoustic guitar. However, most acoustic guitars have quite big necks so it might be more difficult. I'd wait for the electric but you can give it a try though. Just don't try too hard and hurt yourself.

I also have a question. After a few days of playing using the Hendrix style E shaped barre chord, I'm starting to get it. The low E is buzzing a bit but it's OK. This chord grip opens many doors (Frusciante, here I come !! ;))

My main problem : hammering on the high E and B string using the pinky (no problem with the above strings). When I play this chord grip, my hand is still very tense (not natural) and hammer ons keep on buzzing, at best. My pinky is having a hard time moving on his own in this position.

I'm quite vague here, but do you have any advice ?
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Guitar_noob on December 30, 2012, 12:24:45 pm
Is it advisable to try out the thumb-over grip on an acoustic guitar ? I am yet to buy an electric guitar hence wanted to try it out on the acoustic just to get an idea of it. Is neck width of acoustic guitar too much for this sort of thing ?

Here's a good example of this technique used on an acoustic guitar : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51V1JOty3Q.
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: stitch101 on December 30, 2012, 06:43:11 pm
Here's a lesson from Justin on slash chords using the thumb over technique. If your taking the beginner
course and aren't this far yet you may frustrate yourself by trying this to early.
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-191-EasySlash-chord.php
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: Guitar_noob on January 23, 2013, 06:36:17 pm
Another good illustration of the two techniques shown in Justin videos : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpN7v97URg

It's happening mostly during the outro (from 4:30).

Love that song by the way :).
Title: Re: RH-010-011 • Hendrix Style Rhythm Guitar 1 and 2
Post by: mike_k_houghton on February 11, 2014, 09:06:46 pm
Hi,
Could someone please explain the strumming and fingering that happens at around 1:13 to 1:15?



Thanks

Mike