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Title: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: close2u on January 01, 2020, 08:14:32 pm
Lesson link: https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/the-stuck-3-4-chords-b2-801

Questions ...
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: pcgirl1965 on September 24, 2020, 06:51:38 pm
Wonder if anyone else has trouble with these chords?  My third finger and pinky are killing me because I have to press so hard to keep them on the strings.  And I find it very difficult to keep those fingers put and stretch my first and second fingers for the Em7 and Cadd9.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: DarrellW on September 24, 2020, 08:52:14 pm
Wonder if anyone else has trouble with these chords?  My third finger and pinky are killing me because I have to press so hard to keep them on the strings.  And I find it very difficult to keep those fingers put and stretch my first and second fingers for the Em7 and Cadd9.  Any suggestions?
Try starting on the F6/9 and gradually move 1 & 2 out a string at a time to the big G, i.e. F6/9, C add 9, Big G - this will help develop the stretch needed, it’s also a nice sounding mix of chords!
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: Alex6strings on September 25, 2020, 12:19:19 am
This is such a good lesson from Justin.  Imo a fairly important one too.   Those stuck chords I think he called them although hugely popular in 90's rock etc are so useful and having them under your fingers as a natural alternative is something eventually you don't conciously think about, you'll just use them, a lot.   Great lesson for all this one.

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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: mjones970 on October 13, 2020, 08:21:36 pm
I'm really struggling with these chords.

When trying to play the Big G chord my 2nd finger keeps muting the 5th string and my thumb muscle is quite painful.

It feels quite awkward to play
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: close2u on October 13, 2020, 08:33:55 pm
...When trying to play the Big G chord my 2nd finger keeps muting the 5th string and my thumb muscle is quite painful.
Muting the 5th string is not a problem at all.
Pain is ... don't play on past the pain point. Short bursts then rest.
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: mjones970 on October 13, 2020, 08:58:27 pm
Ah that's interesting to know. I've been trying to get all the strings to ring out clearly when going through each one by one.

The pain is more of sharp pain in the palm part of my thumb muscle. I think its just because that muscle has not been stretched like that before, so hopefully a couple of weeks it will settle.

Big G has definitely been the hardest chord for me so far....not even got to F yet!

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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: mjones970 on October 26, 2020, 08:49:46 pm
Hi, I'm currently on lesson 8 on the new beginner's course. I've been on this lesson for about 2 weeks.

I'm finding it quite tough. The Big G and C add9 chords are especially challenging for me. I'm still trying to get them to ring out clearly before even attempting one minute changes.

I'm practising wonderwall too, but at a slower tempo (70bpm) and only doing down strums. Even at a slower tempo my fingers just don't want to move and go where I want them to.

Has anyone else found lesson 8 challenging? I keep telling myself it just takes time and practice, but knowing others are in the same boat will help with my own sanity.

I can imagine this point along the course is  where a lot of people just drop out!

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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: skeldol on October 26, 2020, 09:12:38 pm
I found my 3rd and 4th fingers kept creeping over to the right stopping the strings ringing out.  It's tough, definitely took a while.  Those 3rd and 4th fingers hurt too being left on those strings all the time.  Good luck, you are probably closer than you think.
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: tblazhev on January 14, 2021, 08:43:56 am
Hi,

I've practiced these chords for a long time now. I can generally do them, but my 3rd finger (and sometimes 4th) always seems to move erratically and makes a buzz when changing between these chords - either it moves to the left of the fret and I have to press real hard, or it tilts up or down and is not round.
This tends to happen mainly when changing to/from Emin7, but it happens with the other chords as well.

Are there any stretches/exercises I could do to fix this problem?
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: R.F.W. on January 14, 2021, 09:31:08 am
I am using the pinky workout as part of my practice routine. It hard at first, but now I start to get better coordination with my pinky.

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/pinky-workout-b2-907

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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: Ex-Calif on January 14, 2021, 11:36:03 am
I have been doing 5 minutes of "finger gym" at each session since around lesson 4. I don't focus so much on the first 3 fingers as they are already pretty strong but 5 minutes of pinky hammer ons (1-4, 2-4 & 3-4) is a real workout for the pinky.

Ring finger to pinky especially...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDt_4ha9Xjs&list=TLPQMjQxMjIwMjA0vxIdFHHdGg&index=6
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: edward777123 on January 21, 2021, 10:26:09 pm
which songs did people use to practice stuck 3-4 chords EXEPT from the obvious wonderwall.
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: firstrazor on January 21, 2021, 10:41:10 pm
I had the same question like you when I learn this lesson. But later I notice there are tons of song. Just take one example, Justin song lesson “Wish You Were There”, even the riff is played this way. I just checked my own song list, the first one by alphabetic order “3am” by MB20 is!


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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: firstrazor on January 22, 2021, 12:36:22 am
Add to the list, just heard another few songs on my 30min way to work:
Guns n Roses: Patience
Howie Day: Collide
Ed Sheehan: Perfect
Maroon 5: Payphone
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: firstrazor on January 24, 2021, 01:07:24 am
Just found a new song by Ed Sheeran: Afterglow.
Almost all down strum, fantastic song.


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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: zurura023 on February 04, 2021, 02:15:08 pm
Noel Gallagher's Dead in the water works well. One of the initial songs that I learnt to play. Simple song structure and goes well with "Old faithful" strumming and even with variations of 16th note as you progress.

Quite a few Oasis songs work well with these. Alternatively, you can try any song with G, C, Em and D combination replacing them with the stuck variants. I'm sure you'll find quite a few which sound good where you keep the pinky and ring stuck throughout.

Cheers,
G
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: edward777123 on February 05, 2021, 04:56:10 pm
 ;Dcheers guys
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: joseflanders on February 14, 2021, 02:58:47 pm
The trouble I'm having playing these chords are my ring finger nail either touches the G string or when string is played vibrates off the nail.

Flexibility issue?
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: nkjays on February 14, 2021, 03:03:37 pm
The trouble I'm having playing these chords are my ring finger nail either touches the G string or when string is played vibrates off the nail.

Flexibility issue?
I'm a beginner as well, but I'd say it's two things: you need to practice making sure the joint in front of your finger tip is curled sorta like a claw, make sure your fingers aren't flat or bending the wrong way. And make sure the string is right on your finger tips.

And 2nd,a good setup of the guitar can help with this. If your strings are really high and far from the guitar then it can be hard to get your fingers in without touching the other strings as the fat part of your fingertips will touch the other strings. I got the action on my guitar lowered and it made a lot of chords much easier.

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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: firstrazor on February 14, 2021, 03:09:31 pm
The trouble I'm having playing these chords are my ring finger nail either touches the G string or when string is played vibrates off the nail.

Flexibility issue?
I have a meaty ring finger tip, so I don’t have the problem you are having.

But I have another problem - it is too painful for the last two fingers to finish even one song. I’m going to buy the silicon finger caps to have a try. Maybe this little trick can help you also.


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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: leeliv123 on April 13, 2021, 09:09:34 am
I am having real pinky finger pain issues, and i can't hold it down for long? i have been doing the stretching exercises everyday, but my 2nd finger seems to just lightly tough the A chord on the big G and with the pinky issue the chords don't ring out. is this just a case of toughing it out?
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: R.F.W. on April 13, 2021, 10:10:20 am
It normally takes a while for the pinky to start hurting. So it just a case of patience.



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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: firstrazor on April 13, 2021, 10:42:43 am
It normally takes a while for the pinky to start hurting. So it just a case of patience.



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Yes, it’s just a case of petience. Practise more the Guns n Roses “Patience”, which happens to be using the same chords


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Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: leeliv123 on April 13, 2021, 04:17:58 pm
Thanks guys, I guess I guess I have to suck it up and break down the sessions to 15 minute slots.
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: Martinharv on April 22, 2021, 11:14:00 am
I struggle with anything that involves all 4 fingers as my index finger is a bit knackered, my pinky is fine as till now I've pretty much used middle, ring and pinky for all the 3 finger chords.The big G, C add9, and Emin7 all sound a bit rubbish as my index finger tends to mute anything it crosses. I'm ok with the 4 finger A7sus4 as the strings the index finger lays on are played in front of it.  I'm beginning to tire of Wonderwall, it is, apart from Shallow the only song I actually know using these chords and it sounds awful. The verse chords all sound the same to me and, rather concerninly I dread the 10 mins practicing it. I'm worried that this resulting in the practice becoming a chore instead of fun.
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: kaiben on June 20, 2021, 07:14:34 pm
I have already some problems wist my wrist (mouse arm or something similar). I got quite good along with the open chords but have increased pain after practicing the BIG-G and CADD9 chords.

Comparing my wrist angle with Justin's you see that I have a much steeper angle. Justins wrist angle is nearly flat.

(https://i.imgur.com/jb7OW2j.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9Yr9McI.png)

This is the problem I suppose.
But, if I try to keep the wrist flat, as Justin does, I always mute the A-string with the second finger pressing the E-string (BIG-G). Tilting the wrist is the only way I found to keep the fingers nearly vertical and so avoid muting the other strings.

Any ideas how I can improve my writs posture?
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: close2u on June 20, 2021, 08:44:14 pm
Kaiben - that angle looks dreadfully uncomfortable and awkward to play.
From the perspective I suggest that you need to adjust the guitar relative to your body - it looks like the neck is too far across to your right and it needs to be pushed further away from you to allow you elbow and forearm space to manoevre.
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: kaiben on June 20, 2021, 09:13:05 pm
Thank you close2u for your quick response. Good that you confirm that the angle looks not OK. I will look at your suggestions, but I am not sure that this is the reason. I was not actually playing, just gripped the chord and maybe moved it a bit nearer to the camera and maybe that is the reason that the position looks strange.

Starting with BIG-G I always muted the A-string with the second finger pressing the E-string and similar on CADD9. This was previously the case learning the standard G chord leading to me only using Justins hacked variant, which mutes the A-string intentionally. But now I thought i have to manage it. And the only way I found was to tilt my wrist more, so that I can press the finger tip of the second finger nearly vertical on the E-string.
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: djdrysdale on June 21, 2021, 12:23:33 am
I'm coming back to the basics with this course and learned the "Big G" years ago. I was self-taught and always did it by effectively barring the B and e strings with my pinky instead of using both my third and fourth fingers. Is this likely to cause problems? I can fret it as Justin shows us but habits (and muscle memory) are hard to break.
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: MrPB on September 16, 2021, 04:53:59 pm
Can I just use these in replacement of other chords any time they are in a song and it's 'easier' ie anything with a combination of G, C, D, A, Em
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: close2u on September 16, 2021, 07:46:27 pm
@MrPB

Use your ears - if those stuck 3&4s sound good, yes go for it! :)
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: MrPB on September 16, 2021, 08:54:16 pm
@MrPB

Use your ears - if those stuck 3&4s sound good, yes go for it! :)
If it sounds good, it is good?  8)
Title: Re: B2-0801 The stuck 3 & 4 chords
Post by: GNS on October 18, 2021, 03:25:41 pm
Hey, guys, I don't know whether it was already asked here or not, but here I go  ;D

Regarding 3&4 chord change exercises, is it enough to do the transitions with full G chord (Full g to Rock G; Cadd9, Dsus4 etc.) or should I also incorporate standard open chords in to this (A, E, D etc.)? Because, 3&4 changes are fairly easy for me now (I sort of did them a while ago without going in to Grade 2, because I couple of songs used them). And that's associated with another question: how often in songs to standard open chords change in to 3&4 chords