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Title: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 05, 2020, 05:27:01 am
Hi all, i am doing the Grade 1 Lesson 7 practice routing and trying to "pass" so I'm ready when Grade 2 goes up.  I can play two songs, albeit a bit rough, from memory as part of the learn five from memory.  They are a couple songs from The Band of Heathens I've been dying to learn.  One has a couple chords that weren't in grade one but they weren't major additions like the upcoming "dreaded F". 

A little backstory - I attempted to learn guitar a few times while in grade school but was never dedicated.  I don't think the $50 nylon string Hondo guitar I was using inspired me all that much (I know, excuses, excuses).  Anyway, when I was a senior in high school in 1983 a classmate who is an excellent guitar player learned I had interest in guitar.  He taught me the basic chords that are covered in Justin's grade one and the basic 4/4 and 3/4 strumming patterns .  I got a sigma 12 string as an early Christmas present and began playing guitar with him at our weekly school class mass service.  I then played at the Sunday mass at our college dorm for the next four years.  The thing is, in all that time, I never really ventured beyond the basic chords and a "cheater" F chord.  Nor did I venture beyond the handful of songs we played at mass.  Limiting myself to a few church songs left me uninspired and my guitar sat in its case for the next 30 years.  I would break it out from time to time in an attempt to teach myself but never got very far. 

Three years ago I used anniversary award money from work to buy an entry level Gretsch hollow body so I could try acoustic or electric but still didn't progress.  I finally stumbled upon Justin's site.  The clean layout, natural progressions and focus on playing songs vs. individual notes is just what i need to jump start my practice and playing.  I was using the traditional training last year and got up to the 7th chords but as usual, life got in the way.  Finally late last year i saw NITSUJ's practice sessions and the new beginner course.  I practiced along with NITSUJ and am now wrapping up grade one, anxiously awaiting grade two as I try to learn five songs from memory.  As i mentioned in the beginning, I finally learned two band of Heathen's songs, Jackson Station and Hurricane (which I think CCR actually did first).  I am far, far, far from perfect but finally to the point I'm willing to share my progress with others.  I hope my singing doesn't make your ears bleed.  I cut the grass today and my nose and throat are a bit scruffy as a result.  Without further adieu, here are the links to my playing.  One is on the Grestch and the other on my old Sigma.  Please let me know if the links don't work as I have them in a shared Google album.  I can put them up on YouTube if the link doesn't work.

Hurricane on the Gretsch hollow body -



Jackson Station on the Sigma 12 string -


Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DarrellW on April 05, 2020, 06:23:59 am
Not bad at all, quite decent in fact - keep going this time, you’ve come to the right place and are on the best path to learning how to play the guitar! You’ve already got 2 nice instruments so all you have to do now is follow the course, keep posting as you learn and keep practicing and learning songs!
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Majik on April 05, 2020, 12:27:17 pm
Absolutely and, with the current situation, I guess you probably have a lot more spare time on your hands to practice.

And you have, in this community, a supportive group of people to ask questions, get advice from, and to help develop with. So keep it up and, above all, enjoy it.

Cheers,

Keith

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Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on April 05, 2020, 03:11:37 pm
Joe,

Welcome to the Justin Guitar Community.  And an entrance made with great aplomb.  I really enjoyed both of your performance below.  Both recordings sound really good with a good balance between guitar and vocal.

Your playing seems smooth and steady to me, chords well formed, clean changes and you can play and sing in a natural, relaxed way.

The only suggestion I'd make is to go check the area of the Forum where people post up recordings of their performances.  And then re-post these videos there.  Reason being that not everybody reads every post and many may not follow postings in the Road Cases area.  And that means others will miss out on your recordings and you'll receive less feedback.

Look forward to following on as you progress.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: close2u on April 05, 2020, 03:25:09 pm
Hi frito and welcome.

First, what a wonderful way to introduce yourself.
Given that you provided a lot of back story and other detail I moved your post to 'road cases' where it seemed a more suitable location.
Two nice guitars and so plenty of motivation for you to really up your learning and do the things you didn't do before.
You will have the warmest of welcomes here and any help or support you need will come freely and readily.
:)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 05, 2020, 05:01:33 pm
Thanks everybody.  I really appreciate the warm welcome and encouragement.  I guess we really are our own worst critics.   ;)  I'll try to work up the courage to put them up in the performances section.

Oddly enough, I actually haven't the extra time some now have in these strange times.  You see, i'm an accountant in the midst of our annual fiscal year close.  Thanks to technology I can work from home.  While I no longer have a 1 1/2 total commute per day, I have been putting in 15 hour days.  That being said, I did move my guitars from my living room to my office so when I need a five minute mental break I can pick one up and strum a bit. 

Stay safe and healthy and keep on strumming.   :)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 16, 2020, 03:26:55 am
Here's a couple more.  This first one is about 1/2 tempo or so, no singing, of Ryan Bingham's Southside of Heaven. I'm trying to mix the strum and the hammer on.  It's gonna take a bit to get this one up to full tempo and to where I can sing with it.  I also need to mix in an Em -> Cadd9 -> four finger G switch up on the chorus.





An actual live version of it for those of you not familiar with it is here.  I need Justin to do a harmonica course like his guitar courses.   ;D





And here's a full stab at Steve Earl's Copperhead Road.  Sorry, I got a little rambunctious towards the end. 



Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on April 16, 2020, 03:10:54 pm
Really good going, Joe.  You have that bass note-strum looking steady, accurate hitting of the bass note.

I'm very impressed with you ability to play that rhythm steady on Copperhead Road will phrasing all those lyrics and kept it pretty tidy in the ending when you upped the energy.

Good job.  And take it from me, that Copperhead Road is fine enough to be posted on the Performance Area without you needing to feel any fears of looking silly, embarrassed etc.  Everybody starts somewhere and you are way better than the first audio I posted 3 years ago.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 16, 2020, 04:54:32 pm
Thanks David.  I appreciate it.  As I'm sure many do, I have to feel the music in order to play it.  I always loved watching BB King play - his facial expressions, etc.  you could just tell he could feel every note he was playing.  I find I do better when I let go of robotic perfection and allow myself to feel the music.  Maybe once I get Southside of Heaven down I'll post a couple on the performance board.

On a side note, I've just been reading your road case.  What an inspiring journey.  Since I'm technically at work right now I haven't yet a chance to listen to your sound board recordings but I did watch the video of you playing out of the trunk of your car.  That was great.  I love live performances better than anything. 

Cheers for now.  I hope to feel confident enough in the last couple "First Five" songs in the next week or two to post them up on the performance section.  Now if I can just learn the riff to Copperhead Road.   ;)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on April 16, 2020, 05:02:41 pm
Thanks very much, Joe, appreciate you reading the Road Case.  The trunk of the car was quite a moment.  And eventually I got up the courage to play at an Open Mic and those videos are on my YT channel.

Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 17, 2020, 03:30:53 am
OK David.  Thanks for all your encouragement.  I did it.  I posted a version of For What it's Worth with harmonics in the audio/video of you playing section.  https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=46809.0 (https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=46809.0)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Twilight Storm on April 18, 2020, 02:38:51 am
Yeah, 😁👍 Nice playing Frito. Love your guitars.

I'm not up to posting in the video/audio section yet myself, you're definitely up to doing so though! I prefer keeping my attempts well hidden in my journal where most people won't hear me murder innocent songs lol. Might change my mind eventually, but you will get farther so much faster with a bunch of people's feedback. :) (Might get braver if I can get rid of my noise problem, who knows.)

Anyway, nice playing, & good feel on the songs you played. Definitely keep it up! Good luck finding harmonica tutorials too! :)

Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: close2u on April 18, 2020, 09:47:05 am
Good to read another update and to see you enjoying yourself with more songs ... :)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: CT on April 19, 2020, 02:43:10 am
You're on your way like a rocket. Dig your Gretsch. I have a G2622. Keep at and hope to see more of you and those snazzy curtains. :)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 25, 2020, 04:23:49 am
Thanks gang.  Been a busy work week.  I saw Justin posted up lesson 8 earlier today so I jumped on it and to my surprise, the chords he covered are actually the three chords in one of the first five songs i'm trying to memorize - Cadd9, Big G and E min7.  Go figure, i guess i was jumping the gun with trying to learn Southside of Heaven.  Anyway, i decided to mess around a bit with some of the chords in his new lesson 8 this evening bouncing between F 6/9, Cadd9 and Big G.  without further adieu, here's some Americana for you  ;)

Oh, and Ct i took a look at some reviews of the G2622.  Looks like a sweet guitar.



Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: close2u on April 25, 2020, 10:32:34 am
Some groovy hammer-on action going on there frito and you're giving your 3rd and 4th fingers a heck of a workout.
Good stuff.

Might I suggest you start to use a pick for such strumming. Your tone and definition of notes will have added brilliance and clarity.
:)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on April 25, 2020, 01:51:13 pm
That's quite a work out, Joe.  Keep at that, fine tune the rhythm and you must be close to Sweet Home Alabama :)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 25, 2020, 02:51:40 pm
Some groovy hammer-on action going on there frito and you're giving your 3rd and 4th fingers a heck of a workout.
Good stuff.

Might I suggest you start to use a pick for such strumming. Your tone and definition of notes will have added brilliance and clarity.
:)
Thanks closee2u.  Yeah, as i was reviewing the video before I uploaded I too was thinking it would be so much better with a pick.  I would love to use a pick and was wishing I could use one; however, my family gets quite annoyed with me when I play louder than their liking.  It was around 11:30 PM local time when I was trying this out and they would have killed me.  Maybe I'll give it whirl on the Gretsch.  I can use a pick on it and it not be so loud but the 'ole 12 string was just calling me last night.

That's quite a work out, Joe.  Keep at that, fine tune the rhythm and you must be close to Sweet Home Alabama :)
Thanks David, hadn't even considered giving Sweet home Alabama a go yet.  That one seemed too far off for me.  I'm finding keeping the the rhythm, especially in the songs like Copperhead Road riffs and Southside of Heaven challenging.  The latter especially so when I try to incorporate singing.  How he can also incorporate a harmonica blows me away.

On a side note, I think it's past time to restring both guitars.  I don't remember the last time I restrung the 12 string and I haven't restrung the Gretsch since I've owned it - three years now.  I haven't been as consistent playing until January of this year though so it's not like it's been three years of daily playing with the same strings.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on April 25, 2020, 03:10:38 pm
Thanks David, hadn't even considered giving Sweet home Alabama a go yet.  That one seemed too far off for me.  I'm finding keeping the the rhythm, especially in the songs like Copperhead Road riffs and Southside of Heaven challenging.  The latter especially so when I try to incorporate singing.  How he can also incorporate a harmonica blows me away.

Don't see yourself short, Joe.  From what I have heard it seems to me you have a good feel for phrasing and the singing and playing together. 

As for harmonica and playing, I guess it is just lots of practice.  I am always amazed when people like Young, Springsteen and Dylan do their solo performances pulling that off.  For now just playing is hard enough when it gets beyond the basic camp-fire level of songs, where I am.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on June 16, 2020, 03:24:42 am
Boy, as usual life got in the way for a month/ month and a half, and it took me forever to get through grade two.  I'm finally onto practicing the new grade three with the "dreaded F".  All those years ago, I was learning on a Sigma 12 string and the best I could ever muster was the cheat F.  Now that I have the Grestch I was happy that I could make all the strings ring out on the first attempt.  So my glutton for punishment practice routine will be to keep working at the F on the 'ole 12 string and then strum it a few times on the Gretsch afterwards as a morale booster. 

Now that I'm back at it, I continue to practice along with NITSUJ which seems a good route to go, a difference being the song selections.  For a good F practice, I started today working on Johnny Cash's "Hurt".  I'm somewhat confident that if I give it a proper go every night for a week or two I'll have it down.  I was able to do the open C Maj scale at 120 BPM so I am moving up the fretboard and starting on the sixth string C and sorting it out myself without any cheats so I better learn the fret board and scales in different positions. 

Hope you all are doing well and staying safe.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on June 16, 2020, 09:12:23 am
Life's like that Joe. Sounds like you are back in the groove again and I look forward to your rendition of Hurt.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Alex6strings on June 18, 2020, 06:24:21 am
Hi Joe, I watched a few of your vids and your doing great. I can tell you have some previous experience playing. 
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Welcome again to the forum and I hope you continue to record and share your music.  Love that big ole gretsch.

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Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on June 18, 2020, 07:17:11 pm
Thanks gang.  I'm hoping within a week or so I'll feel comfortable enough to toss up a video of "Hurt".
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on June 19, 2020, 03:27:28 am
Well, got a bit over an hour of practice in today.  I followed NITSUJ's lessons 9.4, accidentally skipped over 9.5 and followed 9.6.  I'm gonna get Popeye arms on my left forearm from practicing the F chord on the 12 string.  Still can't get the B or high E to ring out and don't really expect success for a few weeks or longer.  I go back to the Gretsch afterwards as a morale booster since I can get a good sound on all strings out of it.  At the pace I'm going, i think it's going to be at least a week or three before I'm comfortable enough to record Hurt.  While I can play the full F I'm, not surprisingly, struggling with the change to F.  I'll get there - just need to keep with it.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on June 19, 2020, 07:31:09 am
I'm with you Joe ... keep going, the joy and satisfaction of accomplishment is just down the road, round the next bend or two ...
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Alex6strings on June 19, 2020, 09:48:00 am
Good stuff Joe! Keep practicing that f..ing chord.  In a short time you'll be hearing the angelic sound of F and C notes ringing out from your high E and b strings whilst playing the dreaded but appropriately named 'F' chord. 
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Hope you don't mind but the F chord, I love it!  Here's why.   
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Firstly,  getting that F chord mastered is more of a breakthrough than you might think, and much more than just one chord. F chord is a traveller, a moveable chord.  That F chord exactly as you've learned it when moved to the correct fret can be any major chord including the sharps and flats.    So by simply sliding that F chord up 1 fret it becomes F# major, another fret it becomes Gmajor, and so on. 
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These chords are used in countless songs by thousands (gestimation) of guitarists.   So take your time with F now you know it's true identity as a hard worker.   Also you want to play the chord well knowing that at a moment's notice you could be relocating it.
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Cool chord F, it cops a lot of negativity but it's almost the MVP of the open major chords imo.   
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You never finish learning the guitar. You can stop but you can't finish, so buckle up it's a wild ride.  The learning gets easier but the lessons get harder.
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PS. I understand that most chords are moveable, however few move with the dignity poise and grace of the F chord.

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Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DarrellW on June 19, 2020, 10:03:41 am
Joe, if you have a Capo try putting it on the first fret of your 12 string after retuning down to D# - all strings down a semitone. I had the same problem years ago when I had a 12 string and it helped a great deal!
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Alex6strings on June 19, 2020, 10:33:57 am
Joe, if you have a Capo try putting it on the first fret of your 12 string after retuning down to F# - all strings down a semitone. I had the same problem years ago when I had a 12 string and it helped a great deal!
Hey Darrell, I know it's just a typo but thought if I left it it might cause confusion.  Just pointing out that tuning down a semi tone will be D#. 
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Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DarrellW on June 19, 2020, 10:38:13 am
Hey Darrell, I know it's just a typo but thought if I left it it might cause confusion.  Just pointing out that tuning down a semi tone will be D#. 
Oops 😬  Fibro fog 😂😂😂
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on June 20, 2020, 04:00:34 am
DarrelW, you are a bloody genius!  👍  I actually had a Shubb capo on order which came yesterday.  Tonight I tuned it down a semitone, capo on first fret and viola - I can play a proper F on the 12 string.  not as well as the hollow body but about half the time all the strings ring out.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I still want to get to playing a proper F in standard tuning but this is a great start.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DarrellW on June 20, 2020, 05:06:07 am
DarrelW, you are a bloody genius!  👍  I actually had a Shubb capo on order which came yesterday.  Tonight I tuned it down a semitone, capo on first fret and viola - I can play a proper F on the 12 string.  not as well as the hollow body but about half the time all the strings ring out.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I still want to get to playing a proper F in standard tuning but this is a great start.
No need to be a masochist, I left mine on rather than getting a lighter gauge set 😊
The thing is that if your nut is cut slightly high it takes that out of the equation, I like zero fret guitars for that reason, it’s just a good way to make things easier for yourself.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on July 12, 2020, 03:23:22 pm
Hey all, I know this going to sound bizarre, and no I didn't go on a bender last night  :o.  So shortly before I woke up this morning I had a dream I was going through a lesson on the Justinguitar.com site that as far as I know doesn't exist.  It referenced a "double hammer on" on the fifth fret of either or both the third and forth strings with a slide up to the second fret.  What I don't know is if it meant:


The only thing I do know for certain is that it ended with harmonics on both the D and G strings.

I gave it a whirl with each scenario to see what it sounds like.  Of course, since I'm still in the beginner phase it sounds like junk.  If any of you more accomplished players would like to give it whirl to see if you can get some good sound out of it and post it up, please do.  I'm curious to see if my "dream lesson" might actually sound half way decent if a seasoned player plays it.

Here's a YouTube of my less than stellar attempt at it.



Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on July 12, 2020, 03:35:07 pm
Good to just play around and see how things sound.  Harmonics sounded good and the slide down.  Keep on jamming ...
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Twilight Storm on July 13, 2020, 05:49:27 am
I can't help you with your thing because I am way behind you in experience playing, but it's intriguing you dreamed about it. Definitely keep working on it. It's good you documented it now. If you keep working on it, and it changes you can look back months from now and see what it becomes. (since it came to you and it affected you enough to play it when you woke up. There's something there.) I kinda wish I had dreams that gave me licks or riffs to practice.

... I can't help it. I've been working on Two Djinn. As Bobby wrote: "Dreams are lies, it's the dreaming that's real." 😉
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on July 18, 2020, 05:04:00 am
Thanks David and TS

OK, this is nowhere near where near where I want it to be for the performance section so I'm popping it into my road case.  I finally have Hurt to where I'm not completely embarrassed to share it.  I still have a lot of work on fast perfect changes to the F.  I find I keep laying down the "E" shape with fingers 2 - 4 and then laying down the bar vs. getting all four to move into position all at once.  I'll get there eventually, just not there yet.

Oh, and CT, I took your advice and am laying down a true Dsus2 ;)  That added some time to my learning it vs. the C slide.  Anyway, here it is.



Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on July 18, 2020, 08:51:46 am
Indeed, no cause for embarrassment, Joe. I enjoyed listening to this and you surely are well on your way.

Feel it is a little bit above my grade to offer specific critique as to what to work on to take this to the next level (beyond the obvious work on the chord change to F).

Maybe just to spend more time listening to the Cash original, perhaps trying to play along, to get even more of the feel of it.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: glpguitar on July 18, 2020, 11:16:55 am
I read this thread and listened to some of the recordings. Enjoyed some nice performances of songs, I would not listen on a regular basis but knew most of them! Keep rockin' 8)!
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on December 11, 2020, 07:43:02 pm
Wow, didn't realize how long it's been since I've been on the forums.  I've been kind of stuck on lessons 12 -14 in grade 2.  I've long had a keen interest in fingerstyle and Blues and they are a slow go - especially finger style. Who would have thought I would spend hours trying to master Happy Birthday and still struggle with it.   :-\  Of course it doesn't help that I've not been as religious with my practice as I was earlier.  I still practice at least a couple time of week and am trying to get back into the regular daily groove I was in earlier in the year.

Anyway, I decided to really put myself out there.  I work in accounting for our company.  Our CFO's birthday is tomorrow and our Corporate Controller is putting together a VidHug (video hug I guess) for his birthday so I played fingerstyle Happy Birthday for him on it.  Of course, the entire accounting and finance organization will be able to see it once it's presented to him 😳  I recorded it directly on the site and couldn't save off my contribution so I recorded it playing on my computer with my cell phone. 



Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Twilight Storm on December 12, 2020, 05:42:30 am
Nice playing on Happy Birthday!

Don't be hard on yourself with fingerstyle. It takes a lot to build up that right hand dexterity, and then get that thumb independence! I've been at fingerstyle pretty much daily 2 years and counting and still feel I completely suck at it, although I prefer it 100000% to using picks. Each skill takes a heck of a lot of practice and there's billions of subtleties to both which don't really transfer between picks and fingers, the ideas do, but the actual techniques differ. (That i'm aware of anyway.)

Anyway, welcome back frito! Good luck with fingerstyle! Keep at it, you're doing awesome! :)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on December 12, 2020, 06:04:03 am
GOOD GOOD VIBES  8)   8)   8)  ... all caps and extra cool emojis for that share

Great to hear from you again, Joe, and what a landmark moment to remember, an unforgettable one because it is such a huge first, to put yourself out there performing live in front of people.

To keep this short, I can only nod and nod and nod as I read your reflection of the time since you last posted a song here.  I can so relate to everything you said, my reflection over the last while will have similar themes (will post that up next week in my RC when I reflect on the day of my 4-year JGversary).

Be positive, celebrate all you have achieved and how you've progressed, and keep on keeping on.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on December 14, 2020, 04:15:30 am
Thanks gang.  Just to be clear, it was Memorex, not live 😂  It went into a video compilation that gets emailed to him. 

Anyway, I decided to record a video on my phone which is easier to watch than a video of a flashing computer screen.  It is still tough but I think this is a bit better.  I can totally relate to a comment on the course discussion that "I never thought Happy Birthday would be the song that would cause me to consider quitting guitar".  Now I never got that dejected with it but man oh man is it toucher than it looks.  I took some advice and focused just on the E-B-G string segments without the base notes got to the point I good rip it off pretty well.  But as soon as I add in the base notes with me I fell like a ten month old learning to walk.  There's just something about combining the base note with the high notes simultaneously that just mess me up and requires so much more concentration. 

Without further adieu, here's the video of Happy Birthday.  It still needs work but I'm getting there.





While I was at it I recorded a stab at The Animals version of House of the Rising Sun.  It actually seems easier than Happy Birthday since the base note is played by itself vs. combined with other notes.  I didn't try to do all the bridges, etc. in this version - just wanted to get through the song.  It's hard enough to remember the lyrics while playing right now much less trying to get the bridges.  I'm sure that will come with time assuming I practice consistently.  I hope my singing doesn't make your ears bleed.  ;)





Finally I recorded a go at Justin's Blues Lead practice.  Again, I did this finger style vs. with a pick since finger style is my main goal.  Stills needs some work to sound really tasty but it's getting there.



Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on December 14, 2020, 06:40:14 am
Good job on the videos, Joe. Watched all three and lots to like and commend you on progress being made.

I certainly can relate to what you say about finger-picking. Developing the ability to use the fingers and thumb independently is nowhere near as easy as how the pros make it look. I started down that road when I declared myself ready to consolidate the BC, and while I know I have made progress if I look back over my shoulder I am not that far down the road. But I do love it.

So keep at it and remind yourself periodically how impossible it was to form chords, makes changes, and strum when you first started. Know then that it is just a matter of time and these skills can also be learned.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: close2u on December 14, 2020, 08:49:58 am
Keep on the good path Joe, all takes time, time and practice. You're doing the right things and it'll pay off.  :)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Rossco01 on December 14, 2020, 09:09:40 am
Sounded good Joe and definitely looks like the practice is paying off.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: sairfingers on December 14, 2020, 10:03:45 am
Well done Joe, great progress there. I’m another would be fingerpicker. I started fingerstyle at the beginning of the year and promised myself I’d reach a reasonable standard by the end of the year. Well, a bit like the Brexit negotiations, I’m running out of time!
It takes so much practice and concentration especially if you’re singing as well and I don’t practice it exclusively so find that if I come back to it after maybe a week or so it takes a while just to get back to where I was. 

Regarding ‘Happy Birthday’, I find just bashing out the chords works fine as everyone is singing anyway and not listening to the guitar! 😃
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Twin Six on December 16, 2020, 02:05:23 am
Nice work! And you play 12-string too. I so far haven't had the wherewithal to figure out how to record myself, so thanks for providing some inspiration. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on December 16, 2020, 10:25:58 pm
Thanks all

@sairfingers - I thought about just playing the high strings which I can bash out but wanted to challenge myself.   ;)

TwinSix - I've been following your road case.  From what I've read, go ahead and post up.  If I can do it, so can you.   :)  Re: the 12 string - I actually started out on the 12 string back in late 1983/early 1984.  Probably why I gave up on the F chord for 30+ years.  🤣  I love the sound.  Oddly enough, in some regards the 'ole 12 string is more forgiving than my hollow body.  Of course, in other cases it amplifies my mistakes, er areas on which I need to work.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: adi_mrok on December 16, 2020, 11:05:04 pm
I think nothing except proud you should feel about your videos, I think you play well and it will only get better from the moment you posted those videos :)

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Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on December 16, 2020, 11:07:13 pm
I think nothing except proud you should feel about your videos, I think you play well and it will only get better from the moment you posted those videos :)

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Thanks.  Now I need to get off the forum and do a little practice. 🤣
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on December 22, 2020, 03:04:06 am
We moved my daughter home from her five month Co-Op assignment over the weekend which meant I got to get my 12 string off of the wall mount in her bedroom and set it up on her guitar stand in my office.  Tuned it up and played it for the first time in months.  Man oh man, I have gotten lazy playing my hollow body.  I played a few rounds of the Blues lick in Justin's beginner course followed by a try at finger style "House of the Rising Sun" (No it is not post worthy yet).  Boy did I ever feel the burn in my left arm after just a few minutes.  The fingers are fine but pressing down on the strings on the 12 vs. electric really builds up the forearm.  I think I need to make the 12 string my primary practice guitar for a while to get the strength back in my arm. 
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on December 31, 2020, 10:58:04 pm
My brother-in-law bought me the Guitar pro license and I'm taking my first crack at it.  I am determined to learn Wish You Were Here all the way through vs. just the first four bar riff.  I find I can only follow the videos to a certain point and then either need notes or a proper tab.  Sooo, I'm trying to work up the tab for it.  Software is a bit more challenging than I thought it would be but I'm sure I'm just facing the new user learning curve. 

After reading Justin's email and IG post, I wrote out some goals for 2021 to help keep me honest and motivated.  They include learning five Christmas songs and committing them to memory by Christmas 2021 as a long range goal.  Short term goal is to learn all of Wish you Were Here by the end of January.  Mid-term goal includes mastering Happy Birthday finger style (man it should NOT be as hard as it is).

Finally, I've been playing my 12 string a lot more now that it's back in my office.  Boy oh boy did I forget how much I love its sound.  That is what I plan to use for Wish You Were Here.  I even tried the Animals version of House of the Rising Sun (fingerstyle) and played around with Justin's Blues riff on it.  Challenging but fun.

Anyway, I wish everybody a happy, safe and HEALTHY New Year.  2020, don't let the door hit 'ya where the sun don't shine.   :P
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: adi_mrok on January 01, 2021, 01:44:06 am
Happy 2021 to you Frito as well, you have some ambitious goals in front of you which will definitely make your guitar year busy and interesting. Hope to see how it's going for you in the next weeks to come.

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Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on January 01, 2021, 06:01:52 am
Sounds good, Joe, keep on keeping on! All the best for 2021.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on January 01, 2021, 06:32:37 pm
Thanks gang.  I gave Wish You Were here a go on the 12 string this morning.  After listening to the actual song, I definitely want to learn it on the 12 string as it sounds to me like Pink Floyd is using a 12 string in it.
 
It's not my first go at it so hopefully I can achieve my end of January goal.  I don't know what it is about recording myself but I find I don't play as well when I'm recording myself vs. just playing.  I'm sure it's just mental.  Anyway, here's one of the videos with fewer mistakes.



Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: close2u on January 01, 2021, 06:56:33 pm
Nicely played, the 12 string sounds so full and bright on this. :)
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on January 01, 2021, 09:10:51 pm
Nicely played, the 12 string sounds so full and bright on this. :)
Thank you Richard.  Hard to believe that old guitar is more than 36 years old. 
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Twin Six on January 02, 2021, 04:33:22 am
Nicely done! I'm working on Wish You Were Here on 12-string too. Playing both strings of each course consistently is the one thing I find challenging. You seem to do it with ease.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on January 02, 2021, 05:40:26 am
That is sounding so good, Joe, well played and keep going.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DarrellW on January 02, 2021, 07:51:11 am
Nice one Joe, used to love my Eko ranger 12 that I had many years ago, unfortunately it got badly damaged (beyond economic repair) in a motoring accident. For some reason it never got replaced; I must admit that I do have a bit of GAS for the Harley Benton Rickenbacker 12 copy but I’m keeping it in check (just 😂)!
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on January 03, 2021, 01:24:02 pm
Nicely done! I'm working on Wish You Were Here on 12-string too. Playing both strings of each course consistently is the one thing I find challenging. You seem to do it with ease.
Thanks TS.  It helps that the 'ole 12 string is the only guitar I owned from Christmas 1983 to March 2017 when I bought my Gretsch hollow body.  The first time I learned guitar back in the '80's it was on the 12 string.  I'm actually facing a different challenge now in that I'm also working on the lead.  I'm finding the lead doesn't sound quite right hitting both strings so I'm playing around to see if I can use all up picks to hit only the "natural" string.  Of course, bending the high strings is an issue in of itself as well.  In Justin's video he talks about the difficulty of bending on the acoustic.  The challenge is doubly difficult on the 12 string, but since it's the only acoustic that's what I'm going to learn it on.

That is sounding so good, Joe, well played and keep going.
Thanks David.

Nice one Joe, used to love my Eko ranger 12 that I had many years ago, unfortunately it got badly damaged (beyond economic repair) in a motoring accident. For some reason it never got replaced; I must admit that I do have a bit of GAS for the Harley Benton Rickenbacker 12 copy but I’m keeping it in check (just 😂)!
Thanks Darrell.  I'm sorry to hear about your twelve string.  A coworker was telling me just last month how he lost his favorite acoustic in a car accident years ago and now just has an electric. 

You mention the Rickenbacker clone.  One of my favorite bands has been doing a livestream every Tuesday night and on the rare occasion they have all been in the Studio together they play a magnificent Rickenbacker 12 string.  What impresses me even more is how seamlessly they play lead on it as well.  You can see it at the 1:04:51 mark in the below video.  Is this the Rickenbacker you mention (In know you mentioned a clone but is this the real deal?)





I tried to post to the exact spot but kept getting a replay error.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DarrellW on January 03, 2021, 02:09:15 pm
Hi Frito, yes that looks like the real deal! Way beyond the sort of money I could justify spending but a fabulous guitar!
This is the one I’m gassing after:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_rb_612cs_classic_series.htm
It’s a really great instrument for how much it costs, look at the reviews!
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on January 03, 2021, 10:38:34 pm
Hi Frito, yes that looks like the real deal! Way beyond the sort of money I could justify spending but a fabulous guitar!
This is the one I’m gassing after:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_rb_612cs_classic_series.htm
It’s a really great instrument for how much it costs, look at the reviews!
That looks really cool for the price.  Wow.  This is going to sound very odd, but it took me a few rounds of watching him play the Rickenbacker to finally convince myself it's a twelve string.  On a close up I noticed the dual strings but when panning out the way the tuners are set, it looked like a six string.  I finally searched online because I was driving myself nuts.  Yes, I tend to observe the quirky little things.  lol
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DarrellW on January 03, 2021, 11:12:16 pm
That looks really cool for the price.  Wow.  This is going to sound very odd, but it took me a few rounds of watching him play the Rickenbacker to finally convince myself it's a twelve string.  On a close up I noticed the dual strings but when panning out the way the tuners are set, it looked like a six string.  I finally searched online because I was driving myself nuts.  Yes, I tend to observe the quirky little things.  lol
Yeah, the pegs are at 90 degrees on a real Ricky, that’s the main way you can tell them from a copy! The HB is amazingly good for what it costs and well worth the cost of having it properly set up!
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 27, 2021, 03:00:47 am
UGH, I can't believe it's almost May.  Multiple months of working 12 - 16 hour days has put a serious crimp in achieving the goals I laid out in January.  I think I need to rework the lyrics to "Mamma Don' Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Caowboys" to "Mamma Don't Let Your Baby's Grow Up to be Accountants"  ::)

I have managed to play Wish You Were Here all the way through but still can't sing to it.  Other than that I've not made much progress.  A couple songs have caught my attention after hearing them pop up on my Spotify feed while working. 

Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls caught my attention and I was playing that for a while.  My daughter let me use her guitar so I didn't have to bounce back and forth between the funky tuning.  I think I got it pretty close but it's been a few weeks since I worked on it. 

I have heard a few different renditions of John Prine's Angel From Montgomery also which has inspired me.  After looking at tabs from various artists, I settled on the Tedeschi Trucks Band rendition as it seems to be more in my vocal range.  I did a recording of it tonight and m going to to go out on the ledge and post it up in the Performance section.  Not great but... 

I hope you are all doing well.  i perused through a couple road cases this evening and was inspired by what I read.  Sorry I didn't chime in but suffice it to say, you all inspired me to get moving on it a bit this evening so thank you one and all.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on April 27, 2021, 09:03:27 am
Good to hear from you, Joe.

Really enjoyed Angel From Montgomery. Look forward to Iris when you get to record that.

Glad you are well and keeping up your guitar.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: frito on April 27, 2021, 12:45:57 pm
Thanks David.  Hmm,  I may have to break out of my comfort zone for that.  I'll try to give it a go.  I think my wife likes that more than a lot of what I play.   :D

I will say, I'm just getting over the finger pain again.  It stinks how quickly the calluses go away and how long they take to come back.  I also practice in my office since I can close the door.  I initially brought the guitars in here thinking I'd take multiple five minute breaks throughout the day.  Instead, the breaks didn't come and the last thing I wanted to do was spend more time in here at the end of the day, hence the guitars collecting dust for a few months. 
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: DavidP on April 28, 2021, 06:29:11 am
Joe, it is tough coming back and having to go through the finger pain stage again. I can empathize with the making of what seems like a logical plan but one that in the end doesn't work out. Make a new plan and keep on rocking and rolling.
Title: Re: frito's road case
Post by: Twin Six on May 06, 2021, 07:37:28 pm
Thanks TS.  It helps that the 'ole 12 string is the only guitar I owned from Christmas 1983 to March 2017 when I bought my Gretsch hollow body.  The first time I learned guitar back in the '80's it was on the 12 string.  I'm actually facing a different challenge now in that I'm also working on the lead.  I'm finding the lead doesn't sound quite right hitting both strings so I'm playing around to see if I can use all up picks to hit only the "natural" string.  Of course, bending the high strings is an issue in of itself as well.  In Justin's video he talks about the difficulty of bending on the acoustic.  The challenge is doubly difficult on the 12 string, but since it's the only acoustic that's what I'm going to learn it on.

Having had the 12-string as my only guitar as I started to re-learn guitar about a year ago, I can certainly relate. Though it was a bit of an uphill climb, I adapted. While practicing flatpicking, I discovered that if I was careful, I could play only the lowest strings on the upstroke to sound like a 6-string, as you've mentioned. I've gained enough finger strength that once I got an electric, I had to learn a lighter touch to avoid bending the strings off the edge of the neck. String bends on 12-string is quite a challenge, but with practice & determination you can achieve the seemingly impossible.