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Title: CT
Post by: CT on May 12, 2018, 02:07:49 am
Here's a snapshot of what I'm learning and experimenting with lately.

The Trio Band Creator pedal is pretty incredible, I was able to lay down this drum section within minutes of taking it out of the box. It was easier to just turn off the bass line and use one drum beat through out than it was to setup two or three sections of the song. It matches all of the sections for the most part. :)

Still working on guitar layers and getting the hang of Garageband. I found using the guitar as a microphone bypassed the amps in Garageband, which got me a bit closer to the sounds coming from my amp. Still a fair amount of sound quality drop-off going from amp -> Garageband -> mp3 to mp4 converter -> youtube player.  Be that as it may, here's something:




   
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on May 12, 2018, 04:56:57 am
May as well press my luck. First time trying acoustic guitar recording. Worked on three guitar layers to go along with the Trio drum and bass line. Simple minor chord progression:



This Trio pedal is really amazing. I didn't dumb down the rhythm to get this drum and bass line -- and built it from a progression from my ditto looper. 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on May 12, 2018, 09:22:16 am
CT,

Thanks so much for starting up this RC to share what you are doing; I really appreciate your effort to do this.  I'd followed the thread about the Trio pedal silently but with interest ... gotta take some GAS meds as I think it could be a lot of fun. 

Given NY is on top of my "I wish I was just like ..." list of people who inspire and shape my musical journey, I enjoyed your rendition of KORITFW ... great anthem, off a great album.

But I was especially inspired by your "simple" minor chord progression.  A lovely listen, missing only one thing ... some lyrics.  I can hear a some vocals in the style of a Knopfler or my local favourite Piet Botha, that slightly rough, almost talking style of singing.  If song writing isn't your thing, maybe we can persuade Lynn to write some lyrics and either sing or perhaps Matek or Oldhead ... I think it would a splendid collaboration  :)

Aside from that, I am now really curious as to how you did this.  So if you'd be willing, I'd appreciate a simple breakdown of the process, the different pedals, devices, sequence of steps.

Thanks again for sharing what you are doing ... fabulous.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on May 12, 2018, 02:31:21 pm
@DavidP, thanks for the kind words!

"A Minor Thing" is just that, a "thing" in A minor. :)
It's two bars of A minor and two bars of E minor, in a loop for about 100 bars. The rhythm is a groove with some palm mute, hammer ons, and I throw a pinky down on the first string third fret on the last two beats or so of the A minor (not sure the chord name), and the pinky goes out on the last two beats or so of E minor to form an E minor 7. It blew me away that the Trio picked up on this rhythm and nailed it in one try! I used a compressor to boost and round out my playing on all the guitar parts. For the main rhythm section I added a little slapback delay for a reverb type of vibe.

The next guitar layer consists of minor triad down strums on (I think) the first and third beats, for each chord section. The lead lines are just vamping notes up and down the neck in a way that I could not reproduce note for note if my life depended on it. Easy, simple, and fun as all heck to play. It makes me happy that someone likes it, that it inspires someone blows me away.

I'm all about writing music, recording, lyrics, collaboration, the whole ball of wax. I'm just not much of a singer. If anyone wants to do online collaboration, just let me know.



 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: MrBumble on May 12, 2018, 03:34:27 pm
@DavidP, thanks for the kind words!

 I throw a pinky down on the first string third fret on the last two beats or so of the A minor (not sure the chord name),

I think that's Am6 and it sounds pretty cool - I found it by accident!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DarrellW on May 12, 2018, 04:30:05 pm
I think that's Am6 and it sounds pretty cool - I found it by accident!
It’s Am7 (second inversion), Am6 would be 2nd fret 👍
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on May 12, 2018, 05:20:45 pm
When these chord progressions get monotonous you have to throw down a pinky, hammer on, pull off, stop, mute, or do something!

I have a family friend (Danny) that has an incredible voice, he can hit three octaves I'm sure. When we get together we play a version of "Dreams" that's Fmaj7 to Gmaj -- the whole time. His voice pulls it off nicely, he doesn't need the various changes like Justin's lesson. So when I play second guitar I have to go off on triads, leads, scales, runs, anything. Maybe that's just me. :)

Danny is a great song writer as well. Here's one of his original songs that he played at my house a while back. I recorded it with an mp3 lecture type of recorder -- and did a little second guitar, mostly some arpeggios way in the background. It was my first listening of that song. It totally blew me away. Listen for another friend in the background who also has an opera singer voice if you can hear it. Nice little jam, check it out:
https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/eucalyptus-woman

EDIT: Soundcloud embed does not work.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Matek on May 12, 2018, 05:31:24 pm
It was easier to just turn off the bass line and use one drum beat through out than it was to setup two or three sections of the song.

Sounds so cool.
If I had already programmed a drum beat in my DAW would the Trio Band be able to just generate a bass line for a 12 bar blues progression that I played?
And another thought, could it just send the bass line to a track in Reaper?
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on May 12, 2018, 05:37:18 pm
The Trio plays what it hears from the guitar signal through the pedal chain. So just run your chord progression through the Trio and then turn down the drum volume on the pedal during playback mode. Then record the bass from the Trio as another track in your DAW.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: MrBumble on May 12, 2018, 05:37:36 pm
It’s Am7 (second inversion), Am6 would be 2nd fret 👍

Ooops!

You are right of course. That'll teach me to check my facts before I write.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on May 23, 2018, 07:01:54 pm
First recording session using my new audio interface: Behringer U-Phoria UMC204HD.
Seems like a great value so far. I liked the idea of having MIDI support for future expansion. 24bit support seemed like a good idea, which kept me from going super cheap.

I was previously going direct from the Mustang I amp to Garageband, which worked well enough. I hope to do a few recording sessions with a mic'd amp on electric and acoustic in the coming days. One constant that remains is the Trio Band Creator pedal. It hasn't failed yet to lay down nice drum and bass lines. Really an awesome purchase it has turned out to be.

Here's a minor blues turnaround (Em-Am-Bm). Not super happy with the lead guitar, may go back and re-do. May adjust some volume levels as well. Still lots to learn regarding playing/mixing/recording:
https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/minor-blues-turnaround (https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/minor-blues-turnaround)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DarrellW on May 23, 2018, 08:03:05 pm
I don’t think there was much wrong with your solo composition but to me the tone was the problem, I think maybe there was too much drive, it’s personal I know but I think that cleaner would be more fitting with your backing.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on May 23, 2018, 08:16:26 pm
Pretty cool, CT, I enjoyed that little jam.  Above my play-grade to offer much comment.  Volume levels sounded OK to me.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on May 23, 2018, 10:52:56 pm
Thanks for the feedback!

@DarrellW, no love for the Donner Alpha Force High-Gain distortion pedal? I had the gain very low but “Goosed" it a bit with a compressor leveled up in front of it. I was going for some juxtaposition with the mellow-grove + some growl in the lead tone. Distortion and fuzz are in my wheelhouse, a cranked Vox AC30 is what music sounds like in my head.

@DavidP, thanks for listening and liking! I heard an Anderton’s Cap’n and McChappers demo play something similar and it sort of stuck with me. I will probably leave it as is. I’m going to move on to the next thing rather than try and polish it further. It isn't exactly “Dark Side of the Moon.” :)

The main thing was to bring all the elements of my music room (pedal board, guitars, DAW, etc) together and get the hang of the new audio interface. Hoping to get some vocals and mic’d amp tracks over the long weekend. And yes, there will be some growl from the Gretsch.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DarrellW on May 24, 2018, 06:15:31 am
In this context if I wanted a driven sound I would be more inclined to use a tube screamer type tone, smoother with less breakup, as I said it’s personal taste, I’ve not really explored my Donner blues driver much yet but I suspect that it would also sound good!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on June 07, 2018, 03:58:34 pm
Note to self: When you hit a low spot get out and see some live music. Someone you really like.  If you think about it they are using the same chords, scales or progressions you’re already playing and probably the same or similar strumming or finger picking patterns that you’re used to. The inspiration comes from hearing what good music sounds like in the moment, with all the elements of a song coming together perfectly at once, and knowing that it is accessible right now or with a bit more practice. 

I just saw Ray LaMontagne at the Greek on Sunday night, and I came home completely fired up. I'm on a roll right now. I wasn't in a rut before, it just took me to the next level of inspiration and effort.

Someone actually taped the full concert, so not sure how much longer it will be up if anyone likes Ray:



Tip: Check out "Such A Simple Thing" at about the 40 minute mark. Stunning song.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on June 29, 2018, 09:00:45 pm
This is a little jam-around that I did with my new tele. Still having a blast with the Trio pedal, which I use more than a looper these days. Currently working on inter-twining triads and pentatonic leads together. Kind of feel like a blind squirrel that gets an acorn every once in a while. :)

Single take play through as usual: tele-jam-around (https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/tele-jam-around)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on June 29, 2018, 09:35:11 pm
Sounded pretty good to me, CT, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on July 01, 2018, 08:13:33 am
@DavidP, you are 'da man! I will give you a "Good Vibe" whenever I see your name here, and eventually your good vibes will deservedly surpass your posts.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on July 01, 2018, 09:58:13 am
@DavidP, you are 'da man! I will give you a "Good Vibe" whenever I see your name here, and eventually your good vibes will deservedly surpass your posts.
Too kind CT ... I am just a dude who loves music, is loving the learning to make music and really enjoys sharing the trip (mine and everybody else's) with all of you here in the Community.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on July 06, 2018, 03:38:19 pm
More mucking around with the tele, and the Trio. The beautiful simplicity and versatility of the tele is no longer lost on me. This clip is not going to be everyone's (or possibly anyone's) cup o' tea, but it had me stepping out of my comfort zone:
Coming apart at the seams (https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/coming-apart-at-the-seams)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on July 06, 2018, 03:46:32 pm
Pretty cool piece, CT, as was "Closer than I've ever been"

Thanks for sharing
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Post by: CT on July 06, 2018, 04:29:41 pm
Thanks DP! Guess I hadn't shared Closer than I've ever been (https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/closer-than-ive-ever-been) yet. Starting to go through my scratchpad songs and releasing them to soundcloud. Hoping that as I move forward they will serve as a roadmap to how far I've progressed.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DarrellW on July 06, 2018, 04:36:52 pm
Ace👍👍👍
Something I’ve always said about Telecasters it doesn’t matter what genre you want to play they just do it!!!
Good stuff, give that Tele more work outs in future 😎😎😎
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Omar on July 06, 2018, 04:39:32 pm
@DarrellW Please no more Tele talking...You're feeding my GAS lol ;D

Clint, nice tracks, enjoyable and well played. :)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DarrellW on July 06, 2018, 04:41:02 pm
@DarrellW Please no more Tele talking...You're feeding my GAS lol ;D
🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: CT
Post by: vkk1991 on July 11, 2018, 05:12:09 am
REALLY liked how you played 1:10 onwards, nice mix of soul and blues!

upload more clips when you get the chance, you have a great style!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on July 11, 2018, 03:19:18 pm
@Omar, @vkk1991, thanks for the kind words!

I'm having a lot of fun mucking around with different tones, styles and genres. The Trio pedal really helps with that exploration. Some folks feel that this is "chasing tone" and that it's better to just knuckle down and take that time working on technique. In reality any time we spend on something will take time away from something else. So I spend time chasing tone and scoping out backing tracks and such instead of binge watching TV and any number of non-guitar related activities. I would like to see Justin add chasing/exploring tone as a part of ear training -- most notably how to focus that time in a systematic way. Everyone explores, but nobody talks about the best and most productive ways to do it.

Just uploaded a new scratchpad, Back Porch Boogie (https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/back-porch-boogie). I couldn't stop tapping my foot to this backing track, and couldn't resist having a go at it. Not my normal style of music, which made it all the more fun to play.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: oldhead49 on July 12, 2018, 02:24:58 pm
CT, just listened to all of your tracks here.  Solid!  I really like the minor chord progression “thing”.   That tele sounds awesome.  Never really looked at teles but may have to in the future. Thanks for posting these.


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Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on July 12, 2018, 03:10:58 pm
Just uploaded a new scratchpad, Back Porch Boogie (https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/back-porch-boogie). I couldn't stop tapping my foot to this backing track, and couldn't resist having a go at it. Not my normal style of music, which made it all the more fun to play.
And fun to listen to CT :)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on July 12, 2018, 03:26:22 pm
Thanks for listening, liking and commenting @oldhead49 and @DavidP! It's been an interesting and fun process so far. So much to learn and explore!

EDIT: A tele should have been my first guitar, had I only known to start there. The range of tones, value, ease of use and playability seem almost like well kept secrets.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on August 01, 2018, 02:44:15 am
Still jamming and having fun with the Digitech Trio Band creator and layering guitar parts in Garageband. What a great time to explore the guitar, record music and then share it! We have a lot to be thankful for these days. :)

I decided to break out of my pentatonic groove and work on some Aeolian runs:
https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/in-the-shade
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on August 02, 2018, 05:40:48 pm
We sure do, Clint!

I liked the vibe of this once you got into the groove and started playing the runs.  I liked the mix of more bassy tones with the clean lead tones.

That Trio does deliver ... I should stop listening before I start to think I need one :)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on August 03, 2018, 02:04:00 am
Thanks DP! Can't say enough good things about the Trio. Money well spent.

Still a lot for me to learn with the fret board, scales, triads, and tying all the elements together musically in the DAW. This sure is a great hobby, but thank goodness for having a career that pays! I couldn't imagine trying to scratch out a living in music these days. Hats off to Justin and the other Youtubers.         
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on August 03, 2018, 06:12:12 am
Thanks DP! Can't say enough good things about the Trio. Money well spent.

Still a lot for me to learn with the fret board, scales, triads, and tying all the elements together musically in the DAW. This sure is a great hobby, but thank goodness for having a career that pays! I couldn't imagine trying to scratch out a living in music these days. Hats off to Justin and the other Youtubers.         
That Trio does sound good.  Maybe in time I will go down that road ... feel I am still grounding the basics and need to keep it as simple as possible.

I guess on making a living in music, it may be one of those fields where there are many more hobbyists who may even be performing at a professional standard and relatively few make a living.  We are so blessed to have somebody like Justin with his ability as a musician, ability as a teacher and an attitude of service more than enrichment, which I believe leads to him making all the money he needs to make, in his way.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on August 04, 2018, 10:05:24 pm
@DavidP, thanks for following along, it would be super lonely in here without you. :)

Anyway, I was about to swear off playing to background tracks for awhile when I stumbled upon a simple and nice one on another forum. I used a mix of pentatonic and Ionian scales this time:
Laid Back In The Shack (https://soundcloud.com/user-35496968/laid-back-in-the-shack)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on August 04, 2018, 10:16:13 pm
Well, I like hanging out here ... interesting conversation,  lots of folk posting enjoyable music and plenty help to learn.

This one sounded great. A mellow vibe and sweet tone.

And I reckon you'd get more folk listening and commenting if you posted in AVOYP rather than a Road Case...and you have no reason to fly under the radar....
Title: Re: CT
Post by: embishop on August 27, 2018, 03:00:38 am
Just listened to most of your posts here - you sound great! I sure admire those of you who can do something interesting soloing, you just send out the intended groove and well there it is! At least when I say 'I'm working on it' the learning doesn't actually seem like work :)

Mari
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on August 27, 2018, 03:55:38 am
@embishop, thanks so much for the kind words. I truly appreciate it. I have a friend who thinks it all sounds like the surf music from when he was a kid. It's all good. I'll have something new for next week, can't wait. :) 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: brianlarsen on November 05, 2018, 09:33:22 pm
This Trio pedal is really amazing. I didn't dumb down the rhythm to get this drum and bass line -- and built it from a progression from my ditto looper.

I have no idea what you are talking about or doing here-
BUT, I find that it is really fun to improvise to it with a minor pentatonic pattern down at the nutty end of the fret  :)

Thanks 'n vibes
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on November 06, 2018, 02:17:45 am
The Ditto looper and Digitech Trio Band Creator are guitar pedals that you play a chord progression into. The looper plays back what you play into it while the Trio creates a drum and bass line and plays it back to you. With the Trio it's like having a drum and bass player to jam with -- minus all the drama and spilled Pepsi.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on April 14, 2019, 03:52:09 pm
Thoughts on playing my first gig

Sooner or later it had to happen and it happened last night. A friend dialed me up a short time before the gig and asked if I could sit in and play lead guitar for a couple of songs. He was booked to play an hour at a really nice bar on Sunset Blvd. Going in I figured since it’s a bar venue folks will be drinking and chatting so it will be low pressure and a sensible way to get my first gig jitters over with. Turns out I was dead wrong, there was a sizable turnout, standing room only, and everyone was focused on the performance.

My friend plays mostly originals with a splash of covers. I’m not going to go into too much detail about him right now, but he’s a special person, that is talented and somewhat of a visionary. Who plays an hour set with mostly originals, a harpist and me at the last minute? Someone who sees things differently for sure. News flash, a full sized harp played by a masterful musician can rock and move an audience! It was surreal. My head is still spinning. The three of us had never played all together before. I was too in the moment to give an account of my own playing. We are booked for another gig, minus the harpist, so I think it went well. I’m told there was a lot of singing along and applause — for my part we covered “Dreams” by Fleetwood Mac, and “Coffee” by Sylvan Esso. Pictures and video may emerge later.

With that out of the way, I want to thank Justin and the support of the fine folks here on this board. I couldn’t have come this far so fast without you. Note that "seat of the pants" improvisation and winging the hell out of things has some upside. I haven’t arrived or accomplished anything, but I’m happy to be in a position to support and maybe help further the career of a very talented person. More later.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: close2u on April 14, 2019, 04:09:12 pm
That is fantastic news Clint.
And wow, big kudos for even taking such an impromptu booking.
Bravo!
:)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on April 14, 2019, 04:24:29 pm
Thanks, @close2u! Sometimes the greatest ability is availability (although flexibility is pretty high on the list as well). :)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: brianlarsen on April 14, 2019, 04:48:46 pm
Thoughts on playing my first gigI haven’t arrived or accomplished anything
Yes you have-
You played your first gig  8)
Congrats!
Video would be awesome if you can lay your hands on it.
Make sure someone records the next one so we can all bask in your 'achievements'  :)
Vibes!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: hilts17 on April 14, 2019, 04:54:09 pm
Well done and congrats Clint. Man, I'd be a bundle of nerves for sure so I really admire what you did. Definitely would love to see pics and video if possible.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on April 14, 2019, 05:28:56 pm
@brianlarsen, thanks and yeah I guess you're right, playing that first gig REALLY IS something. It was and still is a cherry high.

@hilts17, thanks for the encouragement! Funny that I have a ritual for presentations that seems to help with such things. I eat really lightly that day and pop two Advil (of all things) about 10-15 minutes before go time. Looking forward to the next one towards the end of the month. 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on April 14, 2019, 07:40:32 pm
Pictures and videos are coming in. I'm seated on the right.
First impressions:
* iPhones aren't great for recording live shows
* I should have tuned to the harp
* I need a stage hat

(http://www.tdpri.com/attachments/first-gig-png.600925/)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on April 14, 2019, 08:21:22 pm
That is just most fantastic news, Clint, thrilled and delighted for you.

Can't consider this to be achieving nothing. I think it is something special, a milestone to be celebrated.  As for "arrived" well, I guess if "arrived" means the journey is over and I have reached my destination then I don't think making music is that kind of deal.  I've gone off the journey metaphor and am into the adventure metaphor now :) 

Quite curious about the supporting another's career comment and hope to see more pictures and, even if low-fi, video.

Congratulations !!! 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Majik on April 14, 2019, 08:21:48 pm
Firstly: Epic! Nice one!

Secondly, when you said "harp", I thought you mean harmonica.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on April 14, 2019, 08:22:29 pm
Firstly: Epic! Nice one!

Secondly, when you said "harp", I thought you mean harmonica.

Cheers,

Keith

:)  me too ...
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on April 14, 2019, 09:02:01 pm
Thanks @DavidP, I'm not ready to launch my own musical vision yet beyond just trying to play better, and the creative bits and pieces that I do now. He has a vision for what he's doing and I'm happy to join in and I'm glad to be supportive. It's really just about collaborating and being in a band (of sorts) versus leading a band (I guess). Things are fluid with plenty of experimentation and exploration, so I'm fully onboard.

Totally epic, @Majik, and thanks for the comment. It was a trip. She hand-trucked that huge harp in and out of the venue, and took a long time tuning it. It was a real show-stopper.   
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on April 14, 2019, 09:04:02 pm
Thanks @DavidP, I'm not ready to launch my own musical vision yet beyond just trying to play better, and the creative bits and pieces that I do now. He has a vision for what he's doing and I'm happy to join in and I'm glad to be supportive. It's really just about collaborating and being in a band (of sorts) versus leading a band (I guess). Things are fluid with plenty of experimentation and exploration, so I'm fully onboard.

Totally epic, @Majik, and thanks for the comment. It was a trip. She hand-trucked that huge harp in and out of the venue, and took a long time tuning it. It was a real show-stopper.   

Sounds good, Clint. 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: batwoman on April 15, 2019, 02:05:36 am
Clint how impressive are you? I'm so glad you seized this opportunity, flew by the seat of your pants and heard the roar of the appreciative crowd. Clearly you are better than you realise to be invited to join such a visionary artist.

A stage hat? Most curious to see you choice.

Thrilled to bits by your achievement Clint, just thrilled.

Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on April 15, 2019, 03:20:31 am
Haha! Thanks @batwoman. I was told to forego the hat. I'm of the mind to do so. 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: max_mue on April 18, 2019, 08:26:32 am
Hey Clint, that's great news - congratulations! :)

The venue looks neat! What is the date of your next gig? :)
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Post by: tobyjenner on April 18, 2019, 10:29:03 am
Huge congrats Clint, a giant step forward, considering the notice you had and the audience focus, I would have been bricking it (quaint English expression for extreme nervousness, as in ------g bricks). Man you must have big ones. Look forward to hearing the next instalment.

Cheers

Toby
 8)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: jono on April 18, 2019, 10:50:20 am
Congratulations, I bet you couldn't sleep afterwards.
I wouldn't have been nervous at all as I would have said no.

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Title: Re: CT
Post by: Rossco01 on April 18, 2019, 01:38:19 pm
Congrats Clint. It's one thing getting the opportunity but it's taking it that's the hard bit.
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Post by: LBro on April 18, 2019, 03:24:48 pm
Hey Clint,
I really have not been in the Road Cases much, but stopped by to say Hi and ask a question.

Ok so now you helped out on putting together an original complete song and did well I might add. Then you also pulled of this live gig deal right in the middle of finishing up on the song project. So my question to you you is:

What's next for you on your music career journey?

Keep rocking as only you can,
LB
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on April 18, 2019, 03:48:19 pm
@max_mue, yeah it's a sweet little venue on the Sunset Strip. It's not on the level of the Whiskey A Go Go, but it's on the same strip and part of LA. We're slated to play again on the 27th of this month.

@tobyjenner, I told myself going in that people would be drinking and talking and we would just be background noise. That turned out not to be the case, as people were listening, singing along to covers, clapping along, etc. Once I sat down I just tuned everything else out and focused on the music. 

@jono, I was invited to play with a friend, that helps a lot. We've jammed and played at parties a number of times. He's a great singer and knows his songs well, and trusts me to add some interest and flavor to his music. He likes to wing it a bit and so do I.

@Rossco01, I may have said it here or elsewhere, that sometimes the greatest ability is "Availability", followed by "Flexibility". Saying yes to opportunities and doing your best is a good way to roll.     
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on April 18, 2019, 03:56:01 pm
@LBro, yeah my path hasn't changed since I got back into playing -- it's to just get better every day and say "Yes" to things. I've got some tracks I want to record soon, originals and covers. Playing on your project gave me a little taste of being a session player and I like that a lot.     
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Post by: OpsRes on April 18, 2019, 10:49:46 pm
@max_mue, yeah it's a sweet little venue on the Sunset Strip. It's not on the level of the Whiskey A Go Go, but it's on the same strip and part of LA. We're slated to play again on the 27th of this month.


Hey Clint, too bad I didn’t know about this in time, I was just up the I-10 from you (Palm Springs area) and I would have made the effort to come up and listen.

Congrats and keep on Rockin’

Glen
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Post by: redrhodie on April 18, 2019, 11:32:50 pm
Wow! That sounds totally awesome, Clint. Congratulations! I look forward to seeing the video. I'm intrigued by the harp. That sounds like an amazing first gig.

Lynn


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Post by: CT on April 19, 2019, 03:00:04 am
@OpsRes, thanks! I didn't know it was going to come together until it came together. I barely got word out to my Daughters. 

@redrhodie, it's really just a first step. I think the cherry high has worn off and I'm back to just working on playing better. Thanks for the support!
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Post by: CT on April 28, 2019, 05:52:33 pm
My second live gig came and went last night. What follows is mostly just a scatchpad to consolidate my thoughts:

I still get a buzz from playing live. Not a shred of nervousness at all as an accompanist. Never thought I had a single slice of ham in me, but there is something about applause and having people want to listen and watch. Or does that make me an exhibitionist of sorts? Maybe I'm over-analyzing what it means to climb inside my own head to focus on playing my musical parts, and then hear applause afterwards? Whatever it is, it's cool and I highly recommend going to open mics or whatever that gets you playing out for others. Never say no to a chance to do it.

What went well:
* I had some parts and riffs worked out. It was fun to jump into sections and (in my own mind) nail them.
* Brought enough spontaneity to bear to keep things interesting. My Nashville strung guitar added a nice shimmer to the set.
* I had a fallback in mind in case something happened and/or if I got totally lost in a song. And that was to completely mute the strings and strum the guitar to add rhythm.
* My wife loves the food at the bar/restaurant, so that is an added bonus. Makes playing out more like a nice night out for her as well.
* Uber to the gig! Really nice to arrive in a good mood and not get worked up over LA traffic beforehand.
* I like what we are doing a heckuva lot better than the act that followed us! Nice guy, has some chops as a player, but dude was a brutal assault to my nerve endings! Put bad Bob Dylan and standard tuned, above 12th fret acoustic djenting in a blender and whirl it around on high speed.   

What needs to improve:
* More rehearsals together. We couldn't make a connection to practice, so I was forced to do "homework" with recorded tracks. Less than optimal. This really covers most things that I can think of for improvement. My partner started playing one of the songs in a different/unexpected key, that's bad spontaneity! That's were playing muted strums came in to play. I'll need to hear a recording to assess if that went well. My daughter said it went well, we'll see.
* From the beginning of the song "Dreams", he NEVER started playing. My parts are flavor and fills to prop up fairly simple two chord strumming. I have to be ready to be guitar one in a pinch. Would muted strums have worked for a section as guitar one? I didn't have the right guitar to be an optimal guitar one. Again I will need to hear a recording to assess how it went. Turns out he was hitting feedback from his guitar/monitor (he has an older Yamaha without a phase button), I still don't know why it was a problem for that one song. Weird! He may need to get a soundhole plug.

There's still a lot for me to parse. It really was a blast. I want more, warts and all.
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Post by: DavidP on April 28, 2019, 05:58:40 pm
Good for you Clint.

As a Toastmaster who has delivered many speeches to audiences from 20 - (maybe) 400, I can only say I get a gig from performing.  There is an energy exchange, give and take with the audience.  And afterwards I find myself just buzzing.

I played those few songs live for my Toastmasters club in December, only 4 songs but when I heard people singing along as I was playing Don't Stop, I got that same buzz.

Appreciate the detailed breakdown.

Now just want a video :)
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Post by: CT on April 28, 2019, 07:12:41 pm
Thanks @DavidP! Yeah, it was a scratchpad post, kind of like a "note to self". Glad that it was compelling enough to wade through. :)

I'm working on getting some video or audio together. Kind of an after thought at this point.
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Post by: LievenDV on April 28, 2019, 08:45:18 pm
That's good work you put on your notepad here my man!

Good to see you added "arriving in a good mood" as a big success.
I always use margins in my planning but when I play live; My margins double or even triple; just to make sure I don't need to rush anything. (because live you tend to go faster by default :))

You had a fallback, you prepared some stuff while you know how to keep it spontanuous, you know what yo tackle and how to tackle it...

These read like notes form a veteran pro who's been doing this for decades, seriously.
Keep doing what's you just did there while others take note.

BTW; the questions you're askign yourself; I recognize them SOOO hard :D
especially the exhibitionist thing :p "Is it pretentious to get a kick aout of this and wanting more while I get better, more creative and funnier in the proces?"
Of course not, I think that's a real fun drive to keep you going!
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Post by: CT on April 28, 2019, 10:20:51 pm
Huge thanks for your input @LievenDV! Nice to know that I'm not off on some weird mind trip and that my basic instincts are not misplaced.

I got some clips back from last night and it's obvious that the house mix was very unkind to us. Danny was getting a lot of feedback and I was noticing dropouts and such on the recordings. 

EDIT: Clip of "Dreams" added because it's the case where I unknowingly became guitar one:



I can't sit in one spot and bang out two a chord progression. So I played a few triad progressions, power chords, and bar chords
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Post by: LBro on April 28, 2019, 10:49:36 pm
Clint,
Did any of the session type work you did, with pretty tight timing on Mr Jones help you at all in your live play here in the videos? To me I would think so since prior to that you were mainly into jamming over an entire backing track with you lead work. Though I am not hearing much lead from you in these videos...

Rock on and I hope you get more of a chance to practice with the other musicians you hooked up with for the live gigs! That can only help you guys get tighter are you play more together...

LB
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Post by: CT on April 29, 2019, 01:12:12 am
Thanks @LBro. Interesting questions. My best answer is that I just try to serve the song. The stuff I do with backing tracks is just another context and opportunity to express myself. BTs make up about 1/4 of what I do musically, but about 90% of what I expose to folks. I do a weekly backing track challenge on another web site and I post them here. Beyond that, I do hope to keep on rocking. :)
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Post by: batwoman on April 29, 2019, 06:32:08 am
A fascinating and informative insight into your mind Clint. Thanks so much for sharing these details, though at my stage of learning I feel like a toddler looking in on the grown ups. Seems that making a good connection with not just the other musicians, but the sound guy on the desk, is imperative.

Vibes to you Clint for seizing this opportunity, sucking it up when it wasn't going to plan and for doing a debrief.  This to me is courage.
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Post by: OpsRes on April 29, 2019, 02:55:22 pm
My second live gig came and went last night. What follows is mostly just a scatchpad to consolidate my thoughts:

I still get a buzz from playing live. Not a shred of nervousness at all as an accompanist. Never thought I had a single slice of ham in me, but there is something about applause and having people want to listen and watch. Or does that make me an exhibitionist of sorts? Maybe I'm over-analyzing what it means to climb inside my own head to focus on playing my musical parts, and then hear applause afterwards? Whatever it is, it's cool and I highly recommend going to open mics or whatever that gets you playing out for others. Never say no to a chance to do it.

Hey Clint,
You ask if "that makes you an exhibitionist of sorts" Maybe, but I can tell you being in front of a crowd and getting that positive feedback is a great feeling so enjoy it. Although I have never played in front of anyone but family or friends, and never more than a few people at a time, I have presented to large group before and I can tell you that I also get that same feeling.
So good on you and keep going after that buzz.
Glen
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Post by: CT on April 29, 2019, 03:05:16 pm
Thanks @batwoman, I appreciate your positivity immensely! You are a better player than you think and the only things stopping you are whatever pre-requisites or barriers you have set for yourself. There's no accounting for people's tastes in a fast food, use once and toss away environment. You have fans here. :)   
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Post by: CT on April 29, 2019, 03:07:22 pm
Thanks @OpsRes! Yeah, I'll try just about anything once, and if it feels good and doesn't hurt anyone I'll probably do it again. Cheers!
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Post by: CT on May 02, 2019, 03:39:44 pm
Clint,
Did any of the session type work you did, with pretty tight timing on Mr Jones help you at all in your live play here in the videos? To me I would think so since prior to that you were mainly into jamming over an entire backing track with you lead work. Though I am not hearing much lead from you in these videos...

Rock on and I hope you get more of a chance to practice with the other musicians you hooked up with for the live gigs! That can only help you guys get tighter are you play more together...

LB
Guess I didn't fully answer your question about session work... Yeah, no real opportunities to do fills on a backing track unless I add some vocals, which I hope to do more of in the future. And there is a lot to be said for 8-12 bars or so of focused lead play rather than 3 minutes of meandering. It's all good, it's all music. :) 
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Post by: pkboo3 on May 02, 2019, 04:18:15 pm
I just finished reading through your RC. Way above me to comment on the technical work. I’m a simple acoustic player at the moment. I got a giggle out of your surprise of a small crowd drinking & chatting; in actuality being a large crowd and listening intently. So glad it went well and gave you some deep-meaning insight.   Your next gig being a slight challenge that you passed with flying colors. So proud of you and proud for you. Love reading about your musical journey.


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Post by: CT on May 12, 2019, 05:51:02 pm
I just finished reading through your RC. Way above me to comment on the technical work. I’m a simple acoustic player at the moment. I got a giggle out of your surprise of a small crowd drinking & chatting; in actuality being a large crowd and listening intently. So glad it went well and gave you some deep-meaning insight.   Your next gig being a slight challenge that you passed with flying colors. So proud of you and proud for you. Love reading about your musical journey.

Thanks, @pkboo3! I appreciate you following along in my RC as I babble on. :)

Played out at Bar 20 again last night, but this time I brought my tele. It just gets better and better. We are starting to rehearse and are coming together as a unit. My daughter came on stage and helped with vocals, I'm still buzzing over that. Just magical. Having more fun than I could have ever imagined.   
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Post by: close2u on May 12, 2019, 05:59:45 pm
Magic - music with your daughter. How good is that?  8)
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Post by: CT on May 12, 2019, 07:19:14 pm
Magic - music with your daughter. How good is that?  8)
It's huge! She has been singing with me for a while now, and it's been one of the real joys of taking up guitar again. She has a great voice. I've recorded some tracks, but she hasn't signed off on releasing anything yet. Her coming on stage was a huge step forward.
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Post by: CT on May 13, 2019, 12:56:54 am
Me and my tele from last night:
(http://www.tdpri.com/data/attachments/565/565382-ce43f1d30eabbe8dda64d42dad8c0819.jpg)
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Post by: DavidP on May 13, 2019, 06:54:29 am
Looking good, Clint.

Lovely to hear that your daughter joined you ... what a treat, special moment.

Now I've read the stories, seen the pictures and all that remains is to watch the movies  ;)
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Post by: CT on May 13, 2019, 01:30:50 pm
Thanks DP! Yeah, all we have currently are a few iPhone vids captured by someone in the audience and then forwarded on to us. I have a couple of them up on my YouTube channel. My hope is that someone in our group of followers will start capturing some of these events with a legit recorder. Just not something that I want to spend much time on.
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Post by: DavidP on May 13, 2019, 03:37:25 pm
Glad you mentioned the YT uploads, Clint.  Had a watch to get a feel for it.  Just looks like such fun.  Keep on rocking !!
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Post by: batwoman on May 14, 2019, 12:35:37 am
Clint thanks for sharing another morsel of your musical adventure. Having your daughter join you, that's another level of musical and human alchemy.

Thankyou for including us in your voyage into the public domain, it's very happy making. It seems the sirens going off knew how important the occasion and you didn't miss a beat looking at them.
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Post by: CT on May 14, 2019, 05:16:55 am
Clint thanks for sharing another morsel of your musical adventure. Having your daughter join you, that's another level of musical and human alchemy.

Thankyou for including us in your voyage into the public domain, it's very happy making. It seems the sirens going off knew how important the occasion and you didn't miss a beat looking at them.
You're welcome @batwoman, and thanks for the kind words.

The club leaves a large sliding glass window open to the sidewalk and street which lets in the sights, sounds and smells of the Sunset Strip on a Saturday night. It's magical to me, having been raised on Rock. I said to someone afterwards, "For a minute there I thought I was gonna have to kiss a Sunset pig!" Only Joni Mitchell fans will know that reference. I crack myself up sometimes. :)   
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Post by: LievenDV on May 14, 2019, 09:45:33 am
you got it going on; love to read this stuff :)
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Post by: CT on May 14, 2019, 12:57:13 pm
you got it going on; love to read this stuff :)
Thanks @LievenDV, it's funny how playing out and with others doesn't really change things all that much. I mean that in the sense that I still want to be a better player tomorrow than I am today. There are plenty of areas to improve upon and green fields to plow. :)
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Post by: CT on June 15, 2019, 05:58:50 pm
Well, my fourth gig is now in the books. Five guitars on the wall and two under the day bed, and once again I grab the tele and head out the door. It's sort of like the way a carpenter feels putting on a favorite tool belt. There's a comfort and confidence in getting the job done with a smile. :)

Then there's the Sunset Strip, it's really something. We've played through sirens and lights flashing, this time I swear someone started a tire fire some where. The smell of burning rubber was "A Thing" when we started the set. Play on player.
 
Hanging out for a bit with folks afterwards is always cool. A mutual friend pulled me aside and said, "You know that this is the Sunset Strip, right?". He said he walked up and down the strip a bit to drink it all in before the gig. The history and importance of the strip is never far from my mind. I'm remarkably grateful and unworthy.       
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Post by: DavidP on June 15, 2019, 07:36:28 pm
Good for you, Clint.  Can only imagine how that must be ... playing on the Strip.
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Post by: CT on June 15, 2019, 09:39:42 pm
Thanks, @DP! It's funny that I take Laurel Canyon to get there and back.
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Post by: DavidP on June 15, 2019, 09:55:46 pm
Thanks, @DP! It's funny that I take Laurel Canyon to get there and back.

Laurel Canyon ... where Neil Young lived ... no that was Topanga I think ... still even I have heard of Laurel Canyon living down here in Johannesburg, never having been to California.
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Post by: close2u on June 18, 2019, 08:49:37 am
Seeing Laurel Canyon made me just need to leap in and share this luscious song by one of my favourite bands:



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Post by: sairfingers on June 18, 2019, 08:20:28 pm
All I can say is “Wow”. I’ll never be anywhere near you guys’ standard, so I love reading about it!
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Post by: sairfingers on June 18, 2019, 08:27:25 pm
"A Minor Thing" is just that, a "thing" in A minor. :)
It's two bars of A minor and two bars of E minor, in a loop for about 100 bars. The rhythm is a groove with some palm mute, hammer ons, and I throw a pinky down on the first string third fret on the last two beats or so of the A minor (not sure the chord name), and the pinky goes out on the last two beats or so of E minor to form an E minor 7. It blew me away that the Trio picked up on this rhythm and nailed it in one try! I used a compressor to boost and round out my playing on all the guitar parts. For the main rhythm section I added a little slapback delay for a reverb type of vibe.

The next guitar layer consists of minor triad down strums on (I think) the first and third beats, for each chord section. The lead lines are just vamping notes up and down the neck in a way that I could not reproduce note for note if my life depended on it.
Hi CT
You sent me a link to your ‘minor thing’ in the Trio+ post. I’ve just found this explanation of how you achieved it. I hope you don’t mind if I try to copy it.
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Post by: CT on June 19, 2019, 05:21:27 am
Hi CT
You sent me a link to your ‘minor thing’ in the Trio+ post. I’ve just found this explanation of how you achieved it. I hope you don’t mind if I try to copy it.
Hey, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Now go and make me proud. If it's good you have to call me Daddy. LOL :)
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Post by: sairfingers on June 19, 2019, 09:11:24 am
If it's good you have to call me Daddy. LOL :)
Lol😃🎸
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Post by: pkboo3 on June 19, 2019, 03:34:35 pm
Hey CT. Awesome playing onstage with your daughter; and playing on Sunset Strip!


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Post by: CT on February 14, 2021, 07:29:45 pm
Looks like all the cool kids have been keeping their Road Cases up to date. My last entry was June 2019! Here’s an update starting from where I left off:

I left off having played my fourth gig at Bar 20, which will always be a highlight for me. Some time after that @LBro reached out to me to do a collaboration on a track, and a couple of cool and interesting things came from that project. Suffice to say that if LBro ever reaches out to you for a collaboration, just say yes. His way of organizing and overseeing a project will be a real learning experience.

There was a fair amount of back and forth and he was very patient with me. The process probably took longer than needed as my availability was at times kind of sketchy, and I'm not all that great at fitting stuff into a set number of bars. Be that as it may we shuffled tracks back and forth and spitballed ideas, which he graciously allowed me to contribute at that level. By and large it was his song and he had a clear direction for it.

I learned that I’m not organized or disciplined enough to get really good at this sort of project. There is great value in trying something new and then learning about yourself. So thanks LBro for the cool and fun experience:




I used one of the early outtakes for this video:




There are good reasons why you see so many cool LBro collaborations and productions. He's a cut-above as a person as well!

EDIT: My timing may have been off on this upon further review. Be that as it may, I never really spoke much about the LBro collaboration in this much detail. Any time/date discrepancies can be chalked up to any number of excuses. :)
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Post by: tobyjenner on February 15, 2021, 04:37:29 pm
Great update Clint and a very nice nod towards LBro, who goes out of his way to deliver a highly polished end product. As said if the man from Seattle comes knocking, open the door.  8)
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Post by: DavidP on February 15, 2021, 04:51:55 pm
Don't know how much cool cred an RC update earns one, but it sure is goodness to get better acquainted with one's Forum Friends.

I remember Mr Jones and the Apricot Jam ... homemade scones, apricot jam, and cream ... that's pretty cool.

And you are a cool dude, Clint, jamming with freedom or putting heart and soul into your renditions of the songs that move you.

Good Vibes for tipping the hat to LBro. I've been a privileged recipient of his coaching and mentorship from my earliest endeavours to develop mixing and production skills. A good man and fine producer.
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Post by: adi_mrok on February 15, 2021, 05:18:05 pm
Great entry CT, hopefully you cam get back to jamming again once it is allowed to do so, in the meantime we can only hope for some more fine recordings of your music :)

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Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on February 15, 2021, 06:08:11 pm
Thanks for reading and giving LBro some kudos. Hopefully he'll come across this at some point.

Another thing that happened, which added to my learning and growth as a guitar player:
Just before the Bar 20 gigs, I responded to a question on NextDoor (local bulletin board type of website/app here) from someone asking about getting started with guitar. Of course I suggested Justin Guitar. Another person tossed a thumbs up on my post, so I reached out to him and struck up a conversation. Since everyone on the app is local, and he’s a guitar player, why not meetup in a park and see if we can connect musically.

To make a short story longer, we met in a really nice park here locally and chatted for a bit. Right off the bat he was interested in what my goals were. My low key but stock answer is to play better every day and have as much fun as possible. His goal was to be a rock star, yep, touring rock star and recording artist! He’s not that much younger that me, and as a person that does not have rock star looks I could tell right away that he didn't either (LOL). He has a band with a drummer and bass player that are long time friends. Cool! Can I see or hear what your band sounds like? Have you played any gigs? Open mic? No, none of it. Nothing recorded on YouTube, Soundcloud or anything anywhere. I shared links to all my tracks (they are what they are folks).

Eventually we got into playing. He brought along a notebook of songs and his band’s playlist, I brought my guitar in its case, some picks — nothing more (it's got a built in tuner, ya know, no need to go overboard). Sometimes different personality types mesh well, sometimes not so much.

So he would play a classic radio rock song verbatim while looking at his notebook, and I would comp and play fills and basically do that thing that I do (for better or worse). I in turn would break into whatever strum-a-dum-dum song that would pop into my head. IIRC, I jangled out Dylan’s “If Not For You”, FMac’s “Dreams” and a few others. No comping from him, I’m not sure there was any lead play either. I seemed to recall him sitting on his hands or some such. it just really wasn’t happening. I’m not even sure that I actually finished a song. In the case of Dreams it's just F to G, there are F and G chords all over the neck, and any lead chops in the key of C will work. Nothing. It was a gorgeous So Cal day, awesome park setting, nothing was going to harsh my vibe.

Suffice to say that a second meeting never happened. I sent some follow up texts but it was obvious that we weren’t going to be jam buddies. There seemed to be a bit of disbelief that I was releasing music and had done some gigs. Rather than take it as a sign that anyone, even a non-rock-star-wanna-be can get in the game, take some risks, play some music, and just have fun. This is quite a juxtaposition to the level of friendliness and support that we all share here on the forum. 

I do want to make some more connections post-COVID though. It didn't sour me to the possibility of picking up some local jam buddies.     
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Post by: tobyjenner on February 15, 2021, 07:12:45 pm
Well I guess that's a lesson and reminder to folks to play anything and everything so you can jam with anyone. Don't get stuck in box or become a one trick pony. Diversity is the spice of live. Shame it didn;t work out Clint but you live and learn. And I am sure once the health situation improve you'll hook up with someone and hopefully entertain us all into the bargain.  8)
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Post by: LBro on February 15, 2021, 07:29:21 pm
Hum,
My ears were burning so I figured I best see what all the noise was about. Thanks to any and all who gave kind words this way.

Clint - you had a much better Next Door experience than I. I responded to a woman that said her husband was a failed rock star. She mumbled something about he should get back into it. I wrote back to find she was just kidding. So much for that...

At any rate, Mr. Jones is still looking for you Clint. He wants to know who was honking at him, saying something like; "it sounded like a harmonica".

All the best and I hope you do well in pursuit of a jam buddy. I would like to find one as well. There don't seem to be many out there though.

Keep rockin,
LB
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Post by: DavidP on February 16, 2021, 03:33:27 pm
That's an interesting story, Clint.  Lots of food for thought and lessons to take away.

I really admire your ability to play lead, triads, complement (I assume that is what you mean by comp) another's playing, on the fly. I'd be left battling away to keep up with the open chords and maybe some E and A shape barre chords.

And I'm not putting myself down, sure if I focus my learning and work at that I can make progress and get there eventually.  I am sure I also don't know the notes on the neck as well as I need to for such jam sessions. Oh an ear training and transcription would build useful skills.

I guess for the other fellow, he may have been brought back to earth with a bump. Nothing wrong with having big goals, but sounds like he still had a lot to learn to reach the levels of musicianship that people at that performing and touring level have reached. Quite different to being able to play a few songs with your mates, though that is a good step. And as you said, it is just a first step and being able to play from memory, make some recordings, and ultimately improvise and jam would have to come well before one can land a gig in a local venue.

Thanks for sharing that story.

Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on February 16, 2021, 09:03:14 pm
Hum,
My ears were burning so I figured I best see what all the noise was about. Thanks to any and all who gave kind words this way.

Clint - you had a much better Next Door experience than I. I responded to a woman that said her husband was a failed rock star. She mumbled something about he should get back into it. I wrote back to find she was just kidding. So much for that...

At any rate, Mr. Jones is still looking for you Clint. He wants to know who was honking at him, saying something like; "it sounded like a harmonica".

All the best and I hope you do well in pursuit of a jam buddy. I would like to find one as well. There don't seem to be many out there though.

Keep rockin,
LB
Huge props to you, sir! Bet you have some cool stuff in the hopper.

Yeah, I'm pretty short on time these days for a collaboration. I had to say no to one a while back, when I was part of the way into it. I'll share the details of that at some later time. Hugely disappointing, wouldn't want to over commit and under deliver like that again. 
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Post by: CT on February 17, 2021, 01:59:35 am
That's an interesting story, Clint.  Lots of food for thought and lessons to take away.

I really admire your ability to play lead, triads, complement (I assume that is what you mean by comp) another's playing, on the fly. I'd be left battling away to keep up with the open chords and maybe some E and A shape barre chords.

And I'm not putting myself down, sure if I focus my learning and work at that I can make progress and get there eventually.  I am sure I also don't know the notes on the neck as well as I need to for such jam sessions. Oh an ear training and transcription would build useful skills.

I guess for the other fellow, he may have been brought back to earth with a bump. Nothing wrong with having big goals, but sounds like he still had a lot to learn to reach the levels of musicianship that people at that performing and touring level have reached. Quite different to being able to play a few songs with your mates, though that is a good step. And as you said, it is just a first step and being able to play from memory, make some recordings, and ultimately improvise and jam would have to come well before one can land a gig in a local venue.

Thanks for sharing that story.
There are a number of ways to approach being guitar #2. If what you know are open cowboy chords, arpeggiate them. Or play power chords, or the low notes of the chords if you can -- to hold down the low end. Or play the treble strings to shore up the high end. Play something that adds depth and doesn't drown out the other player. Heck, I've done muted percussive strums or tapped my guitar. Serve the song.

To be honest practicing with a looper really helps a lot. I know there is a strong focus here on playing songs -- if focus shifts to playing/practicing progressions, the songs and improvisations, etc will follow organically.

I probably sounded far more critical than I meant to be. Some of these things just seemed noteworthy. If we had continued on as jam buddies many of these things would have been fun to kid each other about. Since the goal is to be a rock star, I wouldn't have added enough to help lift the band to stardom. Maybe (unbeknownst to me) it was an audition and I failed it from the first question on. ;)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: batwoman on February 17, 2021, 02:52:50 am
What a good read Clint. You're so unassuming about your knowledge and your musicality. You are a shining example of play songs, play songs, play songs and you play and sing them so very well.

I wanted to add my 2 cents worth regarding LBro. Without him there's no way I'd be recording stuff and using a DAW. He has spent many hours tutoring me. He's  my backstop every time I have a meltdown and he does it all with such good grace. Nothing's too much bother for him, even though I know that often it takes him time and laborious effort to help me. Working with him on Stop Draggin' has given me another insight into the level of skill and  knowledge he has when it comes to mixing and production. He's also very enthusiastic in encouraging me to spend money on GAS  ;D

Another thing that happened, which added to my learning and growth as a guitar player:
Just before the Bar 20 gigs, I responded to a question on NextDoor (local bulletin board type of website/app here) from someone asking about getting started with guitar. Of course I suggested Justin Guitar. Another person tossed a thumbs up on my post, so I reached out to him and struck up a conversation.

Suffice to say that a second meeting never happened. I sent some follow up texts but it was obvious that we weren’t going to be jam buddies. There seemed to be a bit of disbelief that I was releasing music and had done some gigs. Rather than take it as a sign that anyone, even a non-rock-star-wanna-be can get in the game, take some risks, play some music, and just have fun. This is quite a juxtaposition to the level of friendliness and support that we all share here on the forum. 

I do want to make some more connections post-COVID though. It didn't sour me to the possibility of picking up some local jam buddies.     

Did this encounter shine a light on your talent and musicality? I really do hope that better opportunities present themselves for you Clint. I think you need to spread your wings and fly a little in the wider world. For now I'm very glad you buzz us here in the community.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on February 17, 2021, 03:34:49 am
What a good read Clint. You're so unassuming about your knowledge and your musicality. You are a shining example of play songs, play songs, play songs and you play and sing them so very well.

I wanted to add my 2 cents worth regarding LBro. Without him there's no way I'd be recording stuff and using a DAW. He has spent many hours tutoring me. He's  my backstop every time I have a meltdown and he does it all with such good grace. Nothing's too much bother for him, even though I know that often it takes him time and laborious effort to help me. Working with him on Stop Draggin' has given me another insight into the level of skill and  knowledge he has when it comes to mixing and production. He's also very enthusiastic in encouraging me to spend money on GAS  ;D

Did this encounter shine a light on your talent and musicality? I really do hope that better opportunities present themselves for you Clint. I think you need to spread your wings and fly a little in the wider world. For now I'm very glad you buzz us here in the community.
More well deserved love for LBro! Dig it.

My approach is to play progressions, play progressions, play progressions and then play songs. This is much more foundational because you are not just playing songs/music by rote. Start with songs and you play songs by rote. Understand the progression(s), and you will understand a ton of songs built off of it. Your ears will catch on quickly.

I want to share with you the kind of "Aha" moments that arise when you hit a little shift in a progression. Some bright musical person comes along and twists things up. It happens all the time, really. Check out this recent video from Rick Beato:



I know, I know, this is probably staged and he has more pre-knowledge of the songs than he lets on. How else does he start with an acoustic and switch to an SG at the most opportune time? I have no where near this level of ear knowledge, but I do connect the dots sometimes. It's fun. 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: DavidP on February 17, 2021, 04:44:00 am
There are a number of ways to approach being guitar #2. If what you know are open cowboy chords, arpeggiate them. Or play power chords, or the low notes of the chords if you can -- to hold down the low end. Or play the treble strings to shore up the high end. Play something that adds depth and doesn't drown out the other player. Heck, I've done muted percussive strums or tapped my guitar. Serve the song.

To be honest practicing with a looper really helps a lot. I know there is a strong focus here on playing songs -- if focus shifts to playing/practicing progressions, the songs and improvisations, etc will follow organically.

I probably sounded far more critical than I meant to be. Some of these things just seemed noteworthy. If we had continued on as jam buddies many of these things would have been fun to kid each other about. Since the goal is to be a rock star, I wouldn't have added enough to help lift the band to stardom. Maybe (unbeknownst to me) it was an audition and I failed it from the first question on. ;)

The wisdom juts keeps flowing, Clint ...

"Serve the song" ... and I hear you that one does what one can, without ego ... and don't I know what a struggle that can be, to master the drives of one's own ego ... to participate and serve the song.

"practicing with a looper" ... so much value to be gained from that activity, which is not something I have spent much time doing. I guess my journey to date as been towards singer-songwriter, becoming an adequate guitarist to support the singing of songs, rather than necessarily working towards being the most rounded, proficient guitarist I can be. And as we oft say here ... learning guitar is not a sprint, it's not even a marathon, it's a never-ending adventure, a journey of discovery and learning as you follow your own impulses and aspirations, which are never cast in concrete.

"more critical than I meant to be" ... maybe when I first met you here I might have felt a sense of being critical, a bit harsh. Now I know you, I just take your thoughts and comments onboard as direct, tell it as you see it, comments, positively intended.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: sairfingers on February 17, 2021, 10:21:26 am
Hi Clint
That Rick Beato video was so interesting. (Apart from the fact it highlighted that my knowledge of current music is non existent, I’d heard of 2 of the artists and none of the songs!).

Yes he was clearly prepared and knew what was coming but the way he could pick up the chords and riffs was amazing.
It made me realise the downside of online learning. All very well to try identifying chords, notes and progressions, but when you get totally stuck you have no one to ask or help and the temptation is to just ‘move on’ to something else.
Yes I know you can post questions on the forum and get some help but it’s not the same.

I’ve kind of plateaued at the moment and keep going back to what I already know and can do. Yes I’m trying to progress my fingerstyle and blues impros but my current thought is that if this lockdown ever ends I’ll try going to a teacher.

Your video clip was in some ways very inspiring but at the same time made me realise I don’t actually know all that much.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: brianlarsen on February 17, 2021, 12:01:17 pm
... made me realise I don’t actually know all that much.
Quote from all wise people throughout the ages   :)
If you look at what you have learned since you picked up the guitar, you must be well pleased.
If you think of all the enjoyment you have had learning, making music and interesting interactions you've had in the process- what a blast.
You also know that if you continue to practise and keep learning some theory, you'll continue to improve.
It would be so disappointing to arrive!
When you say you want a teacher, I hear you want a real person to talk and play music with. A teacher would be fine, but I suspect you'd do even better with a like-minded jam-buddy who was a bit more advanced than you.
Pity Clint lives on the other side of the pond, eh?  ;)

Title: Re: CT
Post by: CT on February 18, 2021, 03:35:14 pm
Hi Clint
That Rick Beato video was so interesting. (Apart from the fact it highlighted that my knowledge of current music is non existent, I’d heard of 2 of the artists and none of the songs!).

Yes he was clearly prepared and knew what was coming but the way he could pick up the chords and riffs was amazing.
It made me realise the downside of online learning. All very well to try identifying chords, notes and progressions, but when you get totally stuck you have no one to ask or help and the temptation is to just ‘move on’ to something else.
Yes I know you can post questions on the forum and get some help but it’s not the same.

I’ve kind of plateaued at the moment and keep going back to what I already know and can do. Yes I’m trying to progress my fingerstyle and blues impros but my current thought is that if this lockdown ever ends I’ll try going to a teacher.

Your video clip was in some ways very inspiring but at the same time made me realise I don’t actually know all that much.
How to unstick when we get stuck. that's something we all have to deal with at some point. We all have to find our own way it seems. I find if I have five or more spinning plates that I'm working on I never get stuck -- there's too much going on to get to the point of being stuck. So instead of looking for one thing, take some time off and listen to new music, or check out TrueFire and come up with five cool things to work on and you'll be unstuck for a long time. Learning your fretboard and music theory are good things to do while looking for inspiration. Play what you know without using open cowboy chords, or pick out the melody, that'll unstick ya!   
Title: Re: CT
Post by: sairfingers on February 18, 2021, 09:52:34 pm
Some very wise words posted there Clint. If you don’t mind, I’m going to copy and paste them into my own RC as a reminder to myself.