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Title: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 04, 2018, 09:25:03 pm
I've been thinking about this for a while.

I'm gasing for new  bedroom setup.

So what would be better. A cheaper guitar like a MIM Strat with a small tube amp and a mini pedal board or most expensive guitar like MIA Strat with a modeling amp like a Boss Katana?

My budget would be around £1400ish. 
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Johan217 on April 04, 2018, 10:01:40 pm
What do you expect from a new setup? What do you want it to do that you cannot do with your current guitar and amp? Because I don't think either of the two options will result in a massively better sound. I would suggest to go for a true upgrade: tube amp + multi FX unit (this will make the most difference) , then save up for the MIA Strat.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: close2u on April 04, 2018, 11:47:50 pm
It does depend on what you want.
MIM Strats are very good ... though many folk upgrade the pickups / hardware & some still wonder whether the body is 5-piece not 2 or 3 and whether that makes it worse.
Small tube amps are great - but only at their best when cranked and in a bedroom that's not feasible really.
Katanas are terrific and can be notched down to lower wattage.
MIA Strats are the holy grail for some though they're not all the same.
With your budget I would probably go MIA & Katana ... or Classic Player (top MIM) & Katana.
Or, look to G&L for your Strat desires ... a Legacy is like a vintage Strat and an S500 is a Strat with more oomph in the engine.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: jono on April 05, 2018, 07:28:21 am
In the long run you are most likely to end up with what you probably want now, a MIA, a pedal board and a tube amp. (Guitar wise once you want something you tend to end up with it eventually ).
So I would buy the MIA and tube amp now and add pedals as money becomes available. Not sure about a tube amp for bedroom use though unless you can switch the wattage.

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Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: DarrellW on April 05, 2018, 07:57:33 am
If you really want a tube amp then that’s the way to go, I only went down the solid state route because the amp I got would do Bass Electric Acoustic and MP3 (Blackstar ID core BEAM); I didn’t want 3 amps!
Don’t go over 5W output unless you intend to gig with it and even at 5W you may need a power soaker to get the volume suitable for bedroom use.
https://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Bugera-Power-Soak-Passive-100-Watt-Guitar-Amp-Power-Attenuator/223F?origin=product-ads&utm_campaign=PLA+Shop+-+Bugera&utm_medium=vertical_search&network=google&adgroup=1+-+Product+Level+-+Bugera&merchant_id=1279443&product_id=96027d1&product_country=GB&product_partition_id=112448932639&gclid=CjwKCAjw75HWBRAwEiwAdzefxEfgMckNVNwLth7ScLPb6kaBsu8CyJiWQKqsUadBLOFrC5gwYz_PaxoC0WAQAvD_BwE
For your pedals take a look at the Donner range, they are amazing value for money and work really well, for reviews take a look at Intheblues YT channel, he does honest reviews!
Guitar.... well MIM strats are OK but for not much more the GL legacy leaves them for dead, much better option IMHO!
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: close2u on April 05, 2018, 09:19:38 am
Two replies urging you to get a tube amp ... I'm therefore going to recommend either the Blackstar HT5R or the Bugera V5 if that is the choice you decide upon.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Majik on April 05, 2018, 09:45:49 am
I will just throw in a data point:

I have the Bugera G5 head which is similar to the V5 combo, but has a better spec (separate clean/overdrive channels with footswitch, separate bass/mid/treble tone controls, "Morph" control, FX loop, MP3 input).

I have this running into a 1x12 cab with a Celestion vintage 30 speaker which should be significantly better than the 8in 8G30A4 speaker in the V5 (I have to admit I've not heard the V5, but 12in speakers pretty much by definition sound better in guitar amps than 8 in speakers, and the Celestion V30 is a pretty good 12in speaker).

I have heard this against a Blackstar HT-5R, and to me it sounds better than the HT-5R, possibly due to the speaker being better.

All in all it's a great valve amp setup and most of the guitar players I know who have heard it have been impressed with it.

But, 6 months after getting my Katana 100, I hardly ever use the valve amp.

YMMV

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: close2u on April 05, 2018, 11:15:01 am
I knew you had a Bugera Keith and couldn't remember which.
Interesting point about it gathering dust now you have a Katana.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Majik on April 05, 2018, 12:33:21 pm
I do use it occasionally (I did last weekend).

As much as anything, I have to admit a lot of the usage pattern is down to location. The Bugera is in our "music room" (basically our dining room), and the Katana is in my home office. The home office is farther away from the living room so playing loudly there doesn't disturb the family.

However, that was true when I used my Pathfinder 15R in the office, and I used the Bugera more then.

Also, in the music room I have a Boss JS-8 which I often use to learn songs, do exercises to the metronome, etc. primarily because it's quick and convenient and I can associate patches with songs, slow them down, etc.

If I want to avoid disturbing the family during the evening, I will use headphones on the JS-8. I could plug headphones into the Bugera, but if I'm going to have headphones I may as well use the JS-8.

If I swapped the Katana and the Bugera over, would I use the Bugera more? Probably. But I think I would miss having the Katana in the office. The Bugera sounds great. But so does the Katana, and it somehow feels more convenient and with more tonal options easily available to me.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Styrr on April 05, 2018, 06:03:50 pm
 A nice position to be in with that decent budget.
You will get loads of opinions on this and what’s’ best’ is very subjective. Eventually it will come down to what YOU want and expect .

There are loads of YouTube vids  on exactly this sort of question. Most, as far as remember, come down on the side of ‘as long as the guitar isn’t rubbish’ then buying an expensive amp and cheap guitar is better than an expensive guitar and cheap amp’. I think the reasoning is that the amp is where you really get most of the tone and you will probably buy another guitar anyway. A good guitar will still sound bad through a crap amp whereas almost any guitar will sound better through a decent amp.

Even so,  here’s my perspective and the rationale behind  it
MIA Strat and Katana amp. Job done (for now).

My head would say the MIM strat but I know that even if I was perfectly happy with it. I would always know it wasn’t a MIA. If you can try both and if you can’t justify the price differential then ....
Whatever; go for the one you love the most, the one you want to pick up and play.

 Katana amp. It’s not the best selling solid state / modelling amp for no reason over the last couple of years . I doubt that you will be disappointed with it. It is versatile; can be as simple or as complex as you like; and sounds decent at low volume (even with crunch or higher gain). Whether you want the 50w or 100w really boils down to how much do you want to pay and whether you want the FX send/return (for example using a looper). Is there a down side to this amp? Well not everybody agrees and some prefer other amps. Try it and see for yourself.

Why not a valve amp?
1)   They are loud and only really at their best with the volume up past 75%. Even at 5w that’s still a lot of noise. So you need an attenuator of some description.
2)   They ‘tend’ to be either good at clean or good at distortion. Not many are great at both.
3)   There are many variations in tone between makes and models. Some are obviously better at certain types of genres. Then you need to play as many as you can to get the one that gives you the tones you want. When you start adding pedals, each may sound completely different through different amps. You will to try each and every pedal when purchasing as it really might not be that compatible with your chosen amp.
4)   They are more delicate than solid state and of course the valves are wearing out as soon as you switch on. The higher the volume, the more you using up those little ions and the sooner they will need replaced.
5)   More expensive.
So; do they sound ‘better’ ?   Answer = probably.
If you do go the valve amp route, what should you be looking for ?
 If it’s a combo, look for a 12” speaker, as smaller ones ‘tend’ to have less low end and can sound ‘fizzy’. That or buy a head and a 1/12 cab
Does it have a power soak ability ?
Does it have an FX loop ?

I have both, A MIA Strat and the Katana 100w and am not dissapointed with either. Also like Majik, guess which amp I switch on most, even though I have 4 amps (valve and solid state) sitting behind me ?

Good hunting.
Styrr
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: LievenDV on April 05, 2018, 07:31:51 pm
Bedroom seyup? go with a solid state amp with modelling.
You can make it sound the same on every volume and perhaps it even has a headphones out.
(many people love the katana but I didn't so much so my advice is; try in stores andl isten online. not only sound but also ease of use might be a factor.)

Why buy another guitar for bedroom use though?
I get why one would want an extra guitar of course :)


Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: joelh on April 06, 2018, 12:28:12 am
I have something similar.  Baja Tele  and a VHT ultra 6.  With low and high power settings I can get as little or much volume as I want.

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Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Joerfe on April 06, 2018, 08:05:01 am
I voting for the MIM and Katana setup.
Just because I play that configuration myself ;D. I have never considered a US made guitar as I am extremely happy with the way my MIM Tele sounds especially with the "Vintage for Tele" pickups I had installed.
The Katana? What's not to like? Go for the 100w though as it has better speakers over the 50W.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: DarrellW on April 06, 2018, 08:55:45 am
I have something similar.  Baja Tele  and a VHT ultra 6.  With low and high power settings I can get as little or much volume as I want.
Yes that amp is an absolute gem, if my requirements had have been just for a guitar amp then that would have been very high on the list, having built in attenuation is really good because it’s designed for that amp so unlike some of the aftermarket ones it will not stress the power components and cause premature failure.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: J.W.C. on April 06, 2018, 11:37:47 am
The good news is that you'll probably enjoy either setup.

There's not really any bad news.

Personally, since you're specifying bedroom, I'd probably opt for the MIA Fender/Katana option. You'll end up buying a tube amp later, anyway. :)

I don't play in the bedroom (it annoys my wife), but I do play in my home office. At home I tend to plug into one of the following (or sometimes two in a wet/dry setup):

1. Katana 100
2. Marshall SL5 (5w tube)
3. Fender Blues Jr. (15w tube)
4. Marshall DSL40 (in 20w mode)

The Katana is nice for evenings/nights when I can't really play with much volume. The tube amps can get extremely loud for home use. But they sure are fun to play. Especially a wet/dry with the Blues Jr. and the DSL40. Sometimes that's magic. :)
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 08, 2018, 09:29:10 pm
Think that's kinda confused me even haha.

I was think about the Marshall DSL1 head into a 1x12 cab.

Also what overdrives go with a Marshall type amp?
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Barnezy on April 08, 2018, 10:03:46 pm
 My bedroom setup is:

Used MIA Standard Strat = £700 in new condition
Blackstar HT1R (1watts tube amp) = £180
Boss GT1 MultiFX Pedal = £130

£910 all in and I’m very happy with all of it.


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Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: SiegeFrog on April 09, 2018, 07:21:35 pm
I think your math is a little off...


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Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Barnezy on April 09, 2018, 10:10:45 pm
Well spotted.


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Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 12, 2018, 12:22:10 pm
I think deep down I want a tube amp, pedal board and MIA Strat.

I major concern is a tube amp being to loud.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Johan217 on April 12, 2018, 03:06:53 pm
I think deep down I want a tube amp, pedal board and MIA Strat.

I major concern is a tube amp being to loud.
That's why I recommended it  ;)
I see little point in spending money on other stuff if you already know that after some time you will want something else. The Katana is held in high regard, but it is still digital equipment and so may be superseded relatively quickly. I'm sure it's better than the Mustang or Vypyr, but it is still the same concept.

Same for the MIM Strat: it's good, but probably not radically more so than what you already have. So unless you want to have a collection of mid range guitars (which is OK, it can be cool to have a guitar to suit the mood of each day), I'd go for the MIA.

As for the loudness, the only way to know if it will work in your particular setting is to try it out.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: DarrellW on April 12, 2018, 07:33:51 pm
I major concern is a tube amp being to loud.
VHT Ultra 6 to the rescue! A review, like I said if I didn’t want to be able to play bass and acoustic plus electric without having 3 amps this would have been my choice, well worth a look!
https://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/vht-special-6-ultra-516728
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Barnezy on April 12, 2018, 10:51:23 pm
The Blackstar HT1R is 1watt tube. You can create breakup at low volume which is perfect for a bedroom and it can still go very loud.


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Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 12, 2018, 11:00:54 pm
Sometimes you don't end up with what you wanted simply through trial and error. But it can be scary to try things.

I thought I wanted a MIA Tele Special (or whatever they were called) and a Vox AC30.

I ended up with a MIA Taylor and a Vox TB18. I love both of them to death although the Vox might have to go at some point because IT'S JUST TOO DANG LOUD at 18W.

And a pedalboard that values as much as the guitar and amp combined. Something about a Strymon and Analogman.

I spring for deals and it almost always checks out for me.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: DavidP on April 13, 2018, 09:42:21 am
I'm a novice player generally and just acquired my first electric guitar.  I don't have an amp at all.  For my first use of the guitar as part of a song, I went via my AI into DAW and used the Waves GTR plugin.  Seemed to work OK for my level and needs.

So a bedroom option, assuming the right combination of gear available, could be to use amp and pedal sims on a computer/tablet and listen through headphones.  Not quite the same as the real thing but if the bedroom is just one of the playing environments, more for practice than performance, then might be an acceptable solution. 

If that is the case and you have the right gear to follow the sim path and maybe already have acceptable amps for other scenarios (not clear about this from the OP) then I'd go shopping for a guitar and buy the best possible within budget ... the MIA Fender Strat (maybe even consider others in that style eg G&L etc). 

Then later could consider expanding the amp collection, when needs, finance and GAS come together  ;)
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 13, 2018, 09:24:13 pm
Not quite the same as the real thing
Hell, I would be running a Kemper if money allowed it, and I might still end up with one for practical reasons.

ETA: Point is I don't regard a Kemper as "the real thing". ::)
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 14, 2018, 10:37:07 am
I think I've found a solution to my problems. Amp wise.

A Bugera G5 in to a 1x12 cab. It has a 1w and a 0.1 mode.

Now time to think about the pedal board.  ;D
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Majik on April 14, 2018, 10:43:47 am
That is the setup I have in our main music room. It's a great setup if you get the right cab.

I highly recommend the Harley Benton 1x12 cab with vintage Celestion speaker as a great pairing (not to mention an amazing bargain).

Cheers,

Keith

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Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: CT on April 14, 2018, 05:01:25 pm
My weapon of choice for a practice amp is the Mustang I v.2 (which doesn't get much love around here). Almost unlimited tone choices, reverb selections out the yang, and it cranks louder than I need for practice. Having a USB interface allows me to plug in directly to my PC where I can record directly into a DAW like GarageBand. Being able to "scratchpad" directly into a DAW is very useful for my practice routines. Talk about affordable, $100 US or less brand new.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 15, 2018, 01:46:34 pm
$100 US or less brand new.
The attenuator for my tube amp was more than that. Why am I doing this again? ::)
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: CT on April 15, 2018, 05:14:05 pm
Quote
The attenuator for my tube amp was more than that. Why am I doing this again? ::)
Someone with unwavering allegiance to tube amps would have to answer that, unless you are that someone and the question was rhetorical. :)

I found info on the Monoprice 5 Watt tube amp (https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-611705-Amplifier-Celestion-Speaker/dp/B016JDJ8TA), which runs right at $100 US. Note that I have no first hand experience with this amp, but consider it to be something worth looking into.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 15, 2018, 10:01:57 pm
Someone with unwavering allegiance to tube amps would have to answer that, unless you are that someone and the question was rhetorical. :)
I don't think I've seen your name that much. You may not have seen mine. Yes I am that person. :)

Ever since I got my first tube amp I was hooked and I'm not letting go anytime soon. It's not even based on sound. Tube amsp are romantic more than anything else at this point.

Point I'm trying to make to stay on topic is that if you're that person, you won't escape! ;D
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: CT on April 15, 2018, 11:03:31 pm
I don't think I've seen your name that much.

No worries, I'm somewhat forgettable and still feeling my way around. That said, there will certainly be no Mustang amp love from you. LOL
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: J.W.C. on April 16, 2018, 04:57:28 am
Ever since I got my first tube amp I was hooked and I'm not letting go anytime soon...
...Something about a Strymon and Analogman....

You have good taste. :)
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 16, 2018, 01:58:56 pm
No worries, I'm somewhat forgettable and still feeling my way around. That said, there will certainly be no Mustang amp love from you. LOL
Nothing personal, I've been active here for many years and you just run into certain names more often than others. ;)

Maybe not Mustang, but I have a Yamaha THR10 I'm really quite fond of. I probably wouldn't hesitate over a Boss Katana either if I needed one.

You have good taste. :)
I know, but thanks anyway. ::)
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 18, 2018, 09:34:34 pm
Looking at pedals now. It's so confusing haha.

What I'm looking at for the start is a overdrive, reverb, delay and a multi effect modulation pedal.

I think I've settled on the Mooer Mod Factory, tc electronic Flashback 2 Delay and tc electronic Hall of Fame 2, but I'm stuck on the overdrive.

I'll be adding a wah, boost and a fuzz at a later date.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: DarrellW on April 19, 2018, 07:49:40 am
As you’re looking at Mooer fx have a look at the Donner fx and at the reviews on Intheblues YT channel, I’m using a Blues driver, Verb square, Echo square, Mod square and Harmonic square through a Hotone Mojo Diamond nano legacy amp (Fender type sounds) and a home built 1x10 speaker, it’s proved to be a great setup for practicing and learning how fx works although I shall probably upgrade to a 1x12 speaker at some stage. The whole setup cost me around £300 all in so not an expensive setup at all and it does most of what I want.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 19, 2018, 11:42:43 pm
I'm stuck on the overdrive.
Just get something. Like with everything, you need something to get started on and only through time and experimentation you'll find out if it's your thing or not. I've owned five overdrive/boost pedals and have kept two of them (King of Tone and OCD). I think overdrives are even more of a personal thing than other effects, especially since overdrive is so ubiquitous and there's so many out there.

Maybe get started with something like a Digitech Bad Monkey or an EHX Soul Food? If you can pin-point a sound you'd like to approximate that would certainly help narrow it down.

Me personally, I'm not approximating anything because I'm pretty sure either nobody or very few people run the same basic rig as I do.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 20, 2018, 08:13:07 pm
Just get something. Like with everything, you need something to get started on and only through time and experimentation you'll find out if it's your thing or not. I've owned five overdrive/boost pedals and have kept two of them (King of Tone and OCD). I think overdrives are even more of a personal thing than other effects, especially since overdrive is so ubiquitous and there's so many out there.

Maybe get started with something like a Digitech Bad Monkey or an EHX Soul Food? If you can pin-point a sound you'd like to approximate that would certainly help narrow it down.

Me personally, I'm not approximating anything because I'm pretty sure either nobody or very few people run the same basic rig as I do.

I'm not sure what type of overdrive I want. Tube Screamer, plexi, dumble or Klon style.

The tone I have in my head is that spluttery front pick up strat sound.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: CT on April 21, 2018, 04:05:04 am
@TheCasual, your sig says you have a Mustang I and a Peavey Vypyr, so you should be able to dial up a ton of different overdrive sounds. The Mustang has modeling built in based on the Ibanez Tube Screamer (http://fender-mustang-amps-and-fuse.wikia.com/wiki/STOMP_Effects). Take a look at the Fender Fuse software and some of the downloadable pre-sets from the Fender site. So many tones, so little time! The compelling reason at this point to buy pedals would be to put some tone tweaks in front of a looper. Otherwise, you should have just about everything you need already.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 22, 2018, 12:19:44 am
I'm not sure what type of overdrive I want. Tube Screamer, plexi, dumble or Klon style.

The tone I have in my head is that spluttery front pick up strat sound.
I'm thinking OCD or RAT. Something right in that grey area of fuzz and overdi rve. That's the first thing I think of when I read spluttery, but it might be a little on the aggressive side.

I'm generalizing A LOT here, but if you want a smooth, clear and articulate tone, you want a Dumble or Klon style distortion/boost/overdrive. They emphasize midrange and are very smooth in character. They work well on their own through clean amps. Definitely not spluttery, IMO. Pedals like: J Rockett Dude or Archer, Ceriatone Centura, RYRA Klone, Lovepedal Zendrive.

I regard Tube Screamer type pedals as more honky, also emphasis on midrange, but to further drive tube amps into clipping. I guess you can kind of get a spluttery neck pickup Strat tone with that, but it's different than the first idea I described. To me it sounds more organic and raw if that's what you want. There's a million clones besides the Tube Screamer, but a Mini Tube Screamer would be a great start. The King of Tone I use lives (IMO) somewhere in between the Tube Screamer and the Klon camps. It's very clear, with some mid-emphasis but it can still get quite gritty.

A plexi-type distortion into a clean amp would work well too. It's sort of a similar idea as the one I described before this, just different character. I don't know any plexi-style distortions other than the Wampler offerings which are pricey.

My point is... not a point. Just get out there, listen to some demos on YouTube, pick your favorites and go try them out in a store or actually buy them and sell them if you don't like them. The latter is what I do. For me it's the only way to really see if it's working or not.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 24, 2018, 08:14:18 pm
That is the setup I have in our main music room. It's a great setup if you get the right cab.

I highly recommend the Harley Benton 1x12 cab with vintage Celestion speaker as a great pairing (not to mention an amazing bargain).

Cheers,

Keith

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Could you tell me what style of amp the Bugera G5 is? Vox, Fender, Marshall?
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Majik on April 24, 2018, 08:43:35 pm
I would say somewhere between Fender and Marshall, but a bit more towards Marshall than anything.

If you were to compare it to anything then the Blackstar HT-5 is the thing.

Like the HT series, it has a "morph" control which changes the tone, from "US style" (supposedly Fender like) to "British style" (Marshall like). Frankly it's an approximation, and you aren't going to get it sounding like a cranked Blues Jr or JCM800, but it is useful to give tonal variety.

Cheers,

Keith

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Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 24, 2018, 09:09:25 pm
I would say somewhere between Fender and Marshall, but a bit more towards Marshall than anything.

If you were to compare it to anything then the Blackstar HT-5 is the thing.

Like the HT series, it has a "morph" control which changes the tone, from "US style" (supposedly Fender like) to "British style" (Marshall like). Frankly it's an approximation, and you aren't going to get it sounding like a cranked Blues Jr or JCM800, but it is useful to give tonal variety.

Cheers,

Keith

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Thanks for that information.

I'm just trying to work what overdrive to would work with it well. I've been binge watch That Pedal Show over the last few days  ;D
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 24, 2018, 11:19:52 pm
By that description, I would say any of the Klon-type pedals. Something to add a little volume and smooth gain to your core tone.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: J.W.C. on April 25, 2018, 04:41:19 am
I've been getting good use out of the Keeley D&M drive. It's a dual pedal with a boost and a drive. The boost is kinda Klon-ish, but perhaps with more pronounced mids. The drive is kinda OCDish. You can stack them (in either order) or use them independently. It gives you a lot of options and works well with a variety of amps.

If you're wanting a single Klon-ish kind of pedal, I like the Tumnus and the Archer. If you're on a tight budget, a decent option is the Soul Food.


Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 25, 2018, 08:17:51 pm
I've been getting good use out of the Keeley D&M drive. It's a dual pedal with a boost and a drive. The boost is kinda Klon-ish, but perhaps with more pronounced mids. The drive is kinda OCDish. You can stack them (in either order) or use them independently. It gives you a lot of options and works well with a variety of amps.

If you're wanting a single Klon-ish kind of pedal, I like the Tumnus and the Archer. If you're on a tight budget, a decent option is the Soul Food.

I've been looking at the the Tumus.

I follow That Pedal Show and have looked at the D&M drive.

Another one I've thought about is a King Of Tone Clone.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 25, 2018, 09:22:39 pm
Another one I've thought about is a King Of Tone Clone.
I suppose you've seen their video on pedals similar to the King of Tone? The Lovepedal Amp11 comes to mind. Although at that point you might as well jsut get a King of Tone because they're technically cheaper.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: J.W.C. on April 26, 2018, 03:25:53 pm
I don't have a King of Tone, but I did pick up a Prince of Tone. It's a good pedal (kinda like one side of a King of Tone).
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 26, 2018, 07:50:14 pm
I don't have a King of Tone, but I did pick up a Prince of Tone. It's a good pedal (kinda like one side of a King of Tone).
Apparenlty they're quite different. I think TPS compared them. The Lovepedal Amp11 I mentioned comes very close, it seems ever so slightly less middy than the King of Tone.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: TheCasual on April 28, 2018, 09:13:14 am
I'm still looking for a overdrive pedal. It really is a mindfield.

Also I've not thought about power or a actually pedal board yet.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: CT on April 28, 2018, 04:27:32 pm
Have you experimented with the overdriven sounds that you can dial up right now with your Fender & Peavey amps? You have two of the best modeling amps available sitting right in front of you. Once you find the sound you like, it should be fairly easy to approximate it with an external pedal.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Majik on April 28, 2018, 06:23:43 pm
I would second this.

You should have enough tones in your existing two amps (both of which are decent) to get an idea of what you want from distortion.

The trick is to not use the presets. Build yourself a patch from the ground up, selecting just an amp and cabinet to start with, getting the sort of tone you want with that (with the sort of overdrive you want), and then add a distortion/OD pedal model to it, and play with the settings of that, including the model of pedal being emulated.

It's not going to be 100%, but it will put you in the ball-park.

I would also suggest getting the amp and cabinet first too. The Bugera G5 has a pretty decent overdriven channel already, and even the clean channel can get a quite sweet crunch going on if you dime the gain.

EDIT: Sorry, getting confused between the Bugera and the Katana; the Bugera doesn't have a gain on the clean channel. By the way, when you do decide on gain pedals, the clean channel makes a pretty good platform for them.

I have my Boss GT-1 connected to the G5 as it gives me a good selection of gain options as well as a tuner and a looper, and I sometimes use this on the clean channel. Other times I disable the GT-1 (I have a preset called "Bypass" with everything turned off) and use the dirty channel on the G5.

It's not going to be enough if you are after high-gain tones, but it may be good enough for you, depending on what you play.

In other words: use your ears, rather than trying to spec out a setup on paper, based largely on other people's opinions/sense of fashion.

I love That Pedal Show, but a huge percentage of their explorations really don't apply to me or to most other "bedroom" setups. They mostly base what they do on boutique and high-end setups for studio recording and gigging.

As an example, in their "Thoughts On Low Volume & Home (Bedroom) Tones" they explored a setup comprising a Hamstead Soundworks Artist 60+ handwired Head, a Fryette Power Station, and a Hamstead 2x12 Cabinet with an fulltone OCD pedal. It gives a fantastic tone, but it bloody should for the £3.5k it cost. I'm sorry, but that isn't a typical "bedroom setup".

To be fair, they don't suggest it is.

But, in that same video, they compare the £3.5k setup with a "small amp"; a Fender Bassbreaker 15W tube amp, which most of us wouldn't suggest as a "bedroom amp" either.

My point is that the vast majority of what they do is tweaking with high-end gear which is totally inappropriate for bedroom/home use. They do, occasionally, give a nod to gear which is appropriate, like the Yamaha THR10 but, most of the time, they are talking about setups that are really only appropriate for studio or high-end gigging use.

At the end of the day, anything that inspires us to play is a good thing. But there's a danger in watching Youtube shows like "That Pedal Show", or reading people on forums playing Top Trumps with their gear, to be fooled into believing that the kit you have isn't good enough, and that you need to get better stuff to get some mythical tone.

I totally get it if you are one of those people who doesn't like the complexity of modelling stuff; in another  "That Pedal Show" video, Mick admitted that he avoid a lot of the technology as it required too much "head space" which took away from playing and practicing.

You have some great tones available to you in the kit you have. At bedroom volumes you can probably get tones which are very close to what you can get from a decent low-wattage tube amp, with some tweaking.

But it's the "with some tweaking" where the problem is for many people.  Menus and patches and all that goes with it can take too much "head-space".

(This is a well understood phenomenon. Check out The Paradox of Choice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradox_of_Choice))

There is something to be said for the simplicity of a straightforward non-modelling amp and an overdrive/distortion/boost pedal.

But, at the same time it's advisable to not get too caught up in babble that trickles down from the high-end tweakers.

My advice is to get the tube amp/cab if you must (been there, done that, I get it!) and then learn how to use that and how it sounds before you start buying pedals that you aren't sure you will even need.

Use your existing modelling amps to experiment with stuff outside of that to get an idea of the sort of things you want by building a few of your own patches from the ground up, and then use that knowledge to inform your purchases.

And, above all, if you get the opportunity to visit a guitar shop and try some stuff out, that's the best way.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: close2u on April 28, 2018, 10:23:34 pm
As this thread veered off into an fx discussion several pages back I'm moving it to the effects section
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Cue Zephyr on April 28, 2018, 11:20:37 pm
I would like to add to Keith's statement about Mick avoiding complex technology. If you pay attention, he can hardly use the G2 loop switcher that they use in every episode. Perfectly proves his point. I believe he said in som eother videos that he likes pedals that have presets so he doesn't have to think about everything too much when gigging.
Title: Re: New Bedroom Set Up?
Post by: Majik on April 29, 2018, 11:59:43 am
Watch his facial expressions and body language in their recent video about MIDI control of pedals "Introduction To MIDI For Guitar Pedals & How To Use It"

(aka "how to turn individual pedals into a MultiFX system ;) )

Cheers,

Keith