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Title: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Badger_5 on February 22, 2018, 11:44:32 am
Hi all, so first a little background - I've been learning guitar for about a year and a half now. I got about half way through Justin's beginners course before I decided to start having face-to-face lessons, so it's hard to gauge where I am on the JustinGuitar scale - maybe beginner/intermediate. I'm starting to get barre chords down fairly strongly and I've learnt a couple of basic solos. I play a Tele Classic Vibe with a Black Star HT1r amp and I've been really happy with my set-up so far.

Two things I've been working on have lead me towards effects - Creep, which in Justin's video he guides you through the use of delay and other effects to get the sound and shows how you can layer using a looper pedal; and the Californifcation solo with its use of a compressor. I'd also like to learn some White Stripes, and so naturally I might want some distortion.

Originally I figured I'd pick myself up a distortion and looper pedal as these seemed a bit more often used than compressors and some of the other effects mentioned in the lessons. After a little more digging, I found that multi-fx pedals came pretty highly recommended for beginners - particularly as you can try everything at a relatively low cost. So yesterday my shiny new Zoom G3xn arrived with a million functions and I feel, well... a bit overwhelmed and concerned I've bought a massive distraction.

Having so many options is a little bit paralysing - both because there's a steep learning curve with all the functions, but also because it seems hard to fully 'explore your gear' when you have so many different things to explore. I feel I could easily spend a lot of time skimming the surface of lots of effects and spend hours getting used to the functions, all during time where I could have been practicing the basics. Of course I've only had the G3xn 24 hours, so perhaps I should give it more time.

I feel like I'd have been happier with a couple of standalone pedals that I could really play around with and then trade out / build on as I mature into it. I'm also tempted to just keep exploring what my HT1r can do and leave the effects behind until I get better at the guitar.

It'd be great to know what you all think - are effects a bit of a distraction at this point, or is it important to start on that journey too? And if it is worth playing around a little with effects, what approach would you recommend for getting going?

Thanks for your advice!
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: DarrellW on February 22, 2018, 12:42:21 pm
I think that if you stick to using the effects that you need to use for a particular piece on it then you should be OK, but if you’re getting distracted by all of the other things it will do it’s going to be a problem.
It’s just the same for me, I have the ID core BEAM, it’s got less effects than a multi-fx but nevertheless can easily prove to be a distraction from what I really want to do.
So in real terms if you’ve got the discipline to use only ones that you need to it’s going to be fine, if not then put it away until you feel you can.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: close2u on February 22, 2018, 12:50:01 pm
I had a Zoom G3 then a G3X.
Fabulous kit, don't sell it.
But limit yourself to one or two fx to begin.
That should avoid overwhelming your mind.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on February 22, 2018, 12:53:30 pm
I think it's important to point out that any sort of pedals can be a distraction, and induce option paralysis.

If you bought standalone pedals, you would have to decide which type of pedals to buy, and then worry about which specific ones, what order to connect them, how to power them, whether to get a pedalboard, and whether the pedal you bought are the right ones, etc.

At least with a multifx processor, you know you have everything available to you (within reason) without having to do loads of research and additional shopping.

And, frankly, as a beginner, it's a minefield as every recommendation you get from other people will only serve to confuse you further, because every recommendation will only be an expression of that person's personal preference. Pedals are a very personal, subjective thing: what someone recommends as "best" could be the worst thing for you.

Now I've clarified that, if you want to explore different FX, the approach I would take is as follows.

Firstly, do some research on what each of the different pedal types do. This article (https://reverb.com/uk/news/beginners-guide-to-guitar-effects-understanding-the-basics) may help, as might this one (https://www.gak.co.uk/blog/boss-effects/).

The second thing is to explore each effect in isolation. The best way to do this is to set up a patch in the multifx unit which has everything disabled. Then enable one effect at a time (focusing on the ones that interest you first) and play with the options and settings for that effect to see what sort of impact they have on the sound. Multifx units usually give you multiple models for each type of effect, so you can explore that too.

So, for instance, if you decide to explore distortions, starting with everything off, select a distortion pedal model. This will start off with default settings for things like level. Play your guitar a bit to get to feel how this sounds, and then tweak some of the settings. Once you are happy you understand that, select a different distortion model and give that a try. Note that each model may have slightly different controls, which reflects the controls on the physical pedal being modelled.

Then do the same with, for instance, delay after making sure you've disabled any effects you were previously playing with.

Once you've done this for the main effects you are interested in, you can experiment with combining them. So, for instance, you might want to try a distortion with some delay.

You probably only need to spend 10-15 minutes exploring each effect type to get a feel for what each one does. Exploring combinations is likely to take longer.

But there will also be a learning curve in using the pedal itself, knowing how to select effects and enable/disable them. Experimenting with individual effects in this way will give you a focus and will help you learn your new tool.

IMO it's worth taking a few hours to learn this stuff. Skimming the surface of each one is fine as you will be getting an understanding of what they all do as well as learning how to control your new pedal. Once you've done that you will have the knowledge and familiarity with your unit to dive deeper, focusing on the specific things you want to look at in more depth.

A couple of notes:

1. Most multifx units include some sort of amplifier and cabinet emulation. If you are plugging into something like the HT1R you should probably disable this. There's no harm experimenting with these if you want, but it's probably pretty low on your priority list of things to learn on the pedal.

2. Although it's a common pedal, the looper isn't really an "effect" in the same way as things like delay and chorus are. It's more of a separate function..

3. The in-built preset patches on these pedals should largely be considered as a "demo" of what is possible. In practice, most of them are often quite over the top and unusable. On the multifx processors I have, I probably only have seriously used 2 or 3 of the preset patches.

4. Related to that, learning how to build your own patches is the key to getting the best of these pedals. Similar to my suggestion on how to explore individual effects, the best way to build your own patch is to start with very basic clean settings with all effects disabled, and then enable the things you want one at a time.

Most of the time, you are likely to end up with very simple patches which only use one or two effects. Just because you have an arsenal of effects available to you, that doesn't mean you have to use them.

For instance, a simple, but highly useful patch might consist of just some distortion and reverb. You could add a noise gate to that if the distortion is fairly high gain.

Have fun!

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: close2u on February 22, 2018, 01:21:58 pm
Excellent wisdom from Keith.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Badger_5 on February 22, 2018, 01:43:16 pm
Thanks all - and especially Keith for the really detailed and useful reply. I've just been exploring the compressor and fuzz effects on their own and it does make things a lot more manageable to handle things that way. I think I can see the way forward with it now, so thank you.

I suppose there's still an underlying question in my mind about whether I should really be playing with these things or waiting until later on when I've improved. I suppose the best approach with that is to see the effects as something I look towards once I start to get a song down - so finding the right sounds becomes the icing on the cake as it were.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on February 22, 2018, 02:30:58 pm
Ultimately it's up to you and your time constraints.

Personally, I think a little playing with this stuff is worthwhile, especially if it inspires you to play. And some riffs or songs really don't sound right without some fx on.

Depending on the songs you are trying to play, some sort of overdrive/distortion/fuzz is likely to be useful. As these can make such an obvious change to the guitar tone, these are really useful to get acquainted with early on. For a start, playing with distortion/overdrive/fuzz will boost any string noise. Being able to control that using muting, etc. whilst playing is an important part of learning electric guitar.

Plus, it can inspire your playing. Playing AD/DC riffs on a clean amp isn't that much fun. Playing them with a good chunk of overdrive is a different matter entirely!

With a single-coil guitar, adding a noise gate in can help control some of the lower-level string noise.

I would suggest you start with these.

After that, I would look at delays: if you are doing certain songs, then delay can be very important. An example of this is lot of U2 songs. Trying to play, for instance, Pride without a delay effect isn't really sensible.

Compressors can be useful, but the effect it has on the sound is often fairly subtle. Personally I would use a compressor more to "fine tune" the sound than anything else. This would be a candidate to experiment with later IMO.

Reverb is also a nice one to have, but you have reverb on your amp, so I would be tempted to ignore the reverb capability on the Zoom for now, and just tweak the reverb knob on your amp to taste.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Badger_5 on February 22, 2018, 03:03:22 pm

Depending on the songs you are trying to play, some sort of overdrive/distortion/fuzz is likely to be useful. As these can make such an obvious change to the guitar tone, these are really useful to get acquainted with early on. For a start, playing with distortion/overdrive/fuzz will boost any string noise. Being able to control that using muting, etc. whilst playing is an important part of learning electric guitar.

Plus, it can inspire your playing. Playing AD/DC riffs on a clean amp isn't that much fun. Playing them with a good chunk of overdrive is a different matter entirely!

Definitely true, although the HT1r does have overdrive built in too. So there are options to experiment with that and come back to the wider effects once I've played around - by which time it will no doubt be the GZ4T or what have you. The main issue with overdrive being built into the amp is that you can't switch to it with your foot, so no way to easily change the sound mid-song.

I think I'll stick with it now and have a play around. Thanks for your advice.



Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: J.W.C. on February 22, 2018, 09:04:03 pm
For amp drive and changing it up, you might try something like this:

Set you amp's gain to a nice crunch.
Roll your guitar volume back to get a cleaner sound, and up to get the full crunch.
Set your Zoom so that you can switch on overdrive. Use this to goose your amp's crunch if you want more gain/boost for a lead.

That kind of setup will give you several types of tone, from clean(ish) to crunch to lead. Another thing you might experiment with is setting your basic crunch tone up with the guitar's tone rolled back a bit (and maybe more treble on the amp than you'd usually dial in). When you roll back your guitar's volume, it cleans up the tone, but it typically loses some treble. If you have your basic crunch tone set with your guitar's tone rolled off some, you can roll of guitar volume and increase guitar treble to compensate for that.

As far as other effects, I agree with the previous advice about trying one effect at a time and learning how it affects the sound. Have fun with it.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Badger_5 on March 10, 2018, 06:11:41 pm
OK, so in the end the Multi-fx went back. I think all of the advice above is completely valid - not having to do lots of research to find the right thing, saving money by not swapping pedals in and out, being able to easily experiment (although taking the effects one at a time) and so on - but there was just something about having this complex machine in the middle if my set up that was really killing the vibe for me. At the end of the day, all I wanted was a distortion pedal to sit between my guitar and amp. I guess I'm also more on the old school, vinyl collecting, side of the spectrum and so I wanted to try the actual little boxes.

Anyhow, I came across a guide (http://guitargearfinder.com/guides/beginner-guitar-pedal-rig-setup-and-recommendations/ (http://guitargearfinder.com/guides/beginner-guitar-pedal-rig-setup-and-recommendations/)) that suggests building a board with a few of the more fundamental pedals and then adding a Multi-fx for experimenting with the more out there effects. For now I've just picked up an (apparently) quite versatile distortion pedal (Procro Rat 2) and I feel I'm getting more out of it as I can only focus on that. I've spent quite a lot of time just trying to dial in the sound of 'Fell in love with a girl' using my amp, pedal, and guitar pots. It's taken a lot of tweaking, but I'm getting closer. With the Multi-fx I doubt that I'd have been able to resist switching around all the other effects to try and find a shortcut.

All of that being said, just picking out the Rat was enough to give me a taste of the rabbit hole this is! Tubedrivers, OCD, Plimsoul, Soul Food, my god... the variety. Not to mention seemingly endless debate over the minuscule differences between the original Rat and the Rat 2. It took me a lot of time reading and watching reviews to get a sense of what I wanted - and after all that am I sure I've got the right thing? No, definitely not. But at least having just one thing is forcing me to experiment with it.

Anyway, like most things, I imagine this comes down a lot to experimentation and personal preference. I'm sure that other beginners - maybe the majority - will find they prefer having a lot of options readily on tap through a Multi-fx. Maybe after a little while I will do too! If I find that I'm not enjoying or getting the most out of this approach I'll be sure to post back here.

Thanks again for the suggestions.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Damian666 on March 16, 2018, 08:08:15 pm
Interesting thread as I've just been considering getting a multi fx unit to use it with headphones instead of a practice amp. Would that be a good idea? Anybody else done that?
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: DarrellW on March 16, 2018, 08:18:02 pm
Have a look at this thread, it can be done for a lot less money especially if you use an iPhone or iPad
https://justinguitarcommunity.com/index.php?topic=43185.0
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on March 16, 2018, 08:43:36 pm
Using a multifx unit with headphones for practice is something I've done quite a bit, and it works nicely if you need to practice quietly.

In fact I'm in a hotel this weekend with not much to do (at least not much planned) and I've bought my G&L and a portable FX unit and headphones with me.

On the other hand, headphones isn't as good as a decent practice amp. I'm not sure I would recommend such a system as a complete replacement for a practice amp, especially as many practice amps have headphone capability.

Cheers,

Keith

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Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Joerfe on March 16, 2018, 10:06:00 pm
On the other hand, headphones isn't as good as a decent practice amp.

When using a fx unit live, a normal setup would run the unit through the PA and to a stage monitor.

Makes me think if a stage monitor would suffice as an optional speaker for a fx unit?
Many Helix/Fractal/etc owners use frfr speakers, and I’m wondering whether a simple monitor would do a decent job.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on March 16, 2018, 10:08:35 pm
I know someone who uses a Digitech RP350 with a full-time range PA speaker, and has used it for professional performances with a full orchestra.

So why not.

Cheers,

Keith

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Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Joerfe on March 16, 2018, 11:12:55 pm
Yeah, I know it works well in live situations in that setup.
But if you practice at home sans headphones, I’m wondering if a wedge monitor or similar would be able to create a decent sound.
The Fractal/Helix/whatever crowd seems to be chasing frfr monitors, so maybe a “regular” monitor would be a bit low-end.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: close2u on March 17, 2018, 12:18:37 am
I used multi fx (Zoom G3 and TC Helicon Play) into a Behringer Eurolive 207 mp3  just fine.
Because it had MP3 aux in I could easily play along to backing tracks.
It was a good workable solution.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on March 17, 2018, 08:33:49 am
Many regular monitors are FRFR, at least at a moderate volume level.

TBH, I think there's so many parameters here it's difficult to generalise. Monitors with crappy speakers may not sound that great, but a decent monitor with good speakers may sound better than some practice amps.
Also it depends on whether you like the sound of the amp/cab modelling through whichever system you have, and whether you get on with multifx units in general (as this thread shows, they aren't for everyone).

My view is it can work and can work very well. But YMMV.

Cheers,

Keith

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Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: close2u on March 17, 2018, 09:21:48 am
Another aspect ...

Multi-FX + Monitor is more expensive than Solid State amp with built-in FX.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Joerfe on March 17, 2018, 07:51:40 pm
Another aspect ...

Multi-FX + Monitor is more expensive than Solid State amp with built-in FX.

Well, I have a Boss Katana 2x12 I lug to band practice every week. At gigs the Katana is hooked up via line out to the PA and I have a monitor in front of me.
At home the Katana is a huge beast to have in the living room and I play through headphones most of the time to avoid disturbing the family.

My thought is that I could, maybe, get a Roland ME-80 or a Boss GT-100 instead. At band practice and for gigs I could go via PA and at home through headphones. For those precious moments where I can blast away at home I have a 60w Laney wedge monitor in the closet that I can use....
- I would have to get rid of the Katana though....
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Damian666 on March 17, 2018, 08:35:20 pm
Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

Still undecided as to a small practice amp such as a blackstar or a spending more on a boss katana 50. Given that I think most practice may be done with headphones I wondered if it was worth getting an amp at all.
Title: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Barnezy on April 17, 2018, 09:42:02 pm
You could just get a Boss GT1. I’m really pleased with mine. I even did an overview of it here - https://youtu.be/m-VXkK9nNK0
 
I also love my Blackstar HT1R. Which I think with the Boss GT1 you have the ultimate bedroom setup. You can even use the GT1’s amp emulators by plugging in through the line in port on the Blackstar, so you avoid the Amp.


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Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on April 18, 2018, 12:30:06 am
Still undecided as to a small practice amp such as a blackstar or a spending more on a boss katana 50. Given that I think most practice may be done with headphones I wondered if it was worth getting an amp at all.

Personally, I think you will want an amp eventually.

If you are considering not having an amp at all (for the moment) and learning is your primary objective, it might be worth taking a look at one of the Boss "e-Band" units, such as the BR-80. It's a portable multifx unit, recording studio, and MP3 phrase trainer in one and it comes with a bunch of practice loops to play along to.

You also may look at the Boss JS-8 or JS-10 which are tabletop "e-Band" units which have the MP3 phrase training capabilities as well as the multifx. However, these are quite a bit more expensive than the BR-80, although you may get a second-hand unit for a good price if you check around. The main differences between these being the JS-10 is a newer unit which can take two guitars (or guitar and bass, mic, etc.) at the same time and it has much better speakers in it than the tinny things in the JS-8.

The JS-10 could also be used at low volumes without headphones, and could probably be used as a generic MP3 player, playing music from a USB stick or CF Card. Ino other words, it's perfect for a typical bedroom. I wouldn't use the JS-8 as an MP3 player as the speakers are pretty dreadful.

Note that I wouldn't consider any of these a full substitute for a proper amplifier. There's no way you could sensibly use them for gigging (which you could with most of the traditional multifx units) or even for jamming with a band. They are a practice tool, not really for performances. But that's true of many small practice amps too, and the JS-8 or JS-10 is a sort of half-way to a real amp option, whilst giving you a ton of options for practicing that you don't get with a traditional amp or multifx unit.

I'm of the view it might be just what you need for now. But even if (when) you get a proper guitar amp in the future, I would put money on you wanting to keep the e-Band unit as well. They are a very handy tool to have around.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Barnezy on April 18, 2018, 01:12:09 pm
I’d never hear of those JS products before. Are they still being developed as it seems like the JS-10 came out in 2012. They are also the same cost as decent amp and standalone multi FX until. Is there any upside with these units would you say?


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Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Dr Winterbourne on April 18, 2018, 01:17:36 pm
With multi FX, I think the best thing to do is to empty a path of all its presets and then think what you need. This could be a specific chain of effects for a specific song, but I think more useful is to think about what effects you typically want. Now, I use individual pedals, mostly because I like them and I didn't like the distortions in the multi FX I had. But when I did have one, this is what I did.

Start with a sound I want - let's say a metal rhythm tone. I'd strip out the FX from a patch and then find a distortion I wanted to use. With metal, I added in a noise gate, too, to take the him and to facilitate djent. Then, I thought about what else I tend to like with a metal tone - and I like a phaser, like in Steve Vai's Bad Horsie, so I made the adjacent patch the same metal tone, but with the phaser added. Then, on the other side of the metal phaser patch, I put in the same phaser sound, but minus the metal. Now, I could either chunk it out metal style, and then add in some phaser for the fruity bridge or trippy intro, and simplify it, ie drop out the phaser, for rhythm. Also, I could have a clean phase sound, but add in distortion to it by just moving one patch.

Once I made a few of these patches, with logical transitions to their neighbours, the pedal was far more useful than with the 'sound flash in the shop' presets. Simplify it - just add what you want, and if it sounds good without an effect, just leave it out.

Compression was one effect I never understood in the old days, and I didn't really get it until I started gigging on bass. Now, I will sometimes use a Dyna Comp as 'the overdrive for my clean sound' , adding sustain to a clean tone for solos, or for tidying up some fingerstyle stuff.

Effects are something you grow into, or out of, gradually. A multi FX can be a way to explore a lot, but they can be overwhelming. I realized I was using mine in the same way I would individual pedals, so then I just started using them.
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on April 18, 2018, 03:30:33 pm
I’d never hear of those JS products before. Are they still being developed as it seems like the JS-10 came out in 2012. They are also the same cost as decent amp and standalone multi FX until. Is there any upside with these units would you say?

Yes, they are quite old, but the JS-10 is still a current part of the Boss lineup.

And, yes, they are as expensive as a decent amp setup, but the point is they aren't really a substitute for an amp, as I said. They are something else completely.

They are, first and foremost, a practice tool. You can do stuff with them that you can't with a conventional amp setup, with or without a multifx unit.

The main "eBand" functionality is a play-along MP3 phrase trainer that lets you loop, slow down, pitch change, and centre cancel any MP3s you load into it.

They include multifx and amp simulators which are a little dated these days, but which are based on the older Boss multifx units like the well-regarded ME-80. These can be mapped to MP3 tracks so that when you select a track the tone you want for that track is automatically dialled in.

The eBand units also allow you to record whilst playing along to a track, and can act as a computer audio interface with FX. They include pretty much everything you need to practice, including a metronome, tuner and a whole bunch of rhythms and backing tracks to play along to.

The BR-80 is also very portable and has a multi-track recording mode, so you can actually use it for songwriting and recording. Several times in the past I've taken the BR-80 with me away on extended business trips to use in the hotel with headphones.

I will admit that, these days, there's lots of apps around for smartphones and computers which will do many of these functions and, potentially, do it a lot cheaper. However, in my experience most of these are too "faffy" to encourage regular use, involving messing around with interfaces and cables and a mixture of different apps.

The advantage the eBand units have is they have the same plug-and-play convenience of a regular practice amp with everything you need for studied practice at your fingertips.

The eBand units are absolutely NOT the thing you would buy if you are wanting something you can take to jam sessions, etc. But they are ideal for a bedroom practice rig where low-volume and headphone use is important and you never expect to crank it (although you can connect the line-output to a hifi amp if you want more volume).

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on April 18, 2018, 03:53:47 pm
I will add, although the eBand units are quite old, the quality of the tones on them are good. The tones you can get from them are absolutely something you could gig or jam with. It's only the form-factor of the unit itself that really doesn't lend itself to that.

You could, for instance, plug the line outputs of this into a mixer/PA and perform with it at a pub gig or small function and, tonally, it would be easily good enough. I wouldn't recommend doing this though, as it's not really designed for this sort of thing and would be easily damaged and fiddly to use.

But, they are a great option for a typical bedroom, especially if it's exclusively going to be used in a smallish bedroom with headphones or on the speakers at very low volume so as not to annoy the neighbours or wake the kids at night.

In that sort of environment, paying extra to get a tube amp (any tube amp, including the low-wattage ones) just because you've heard that "tubes sound better" is (IMO) a really dumb thing to do, because at very low volumes (and certainly with headphones), it's simply not true.

I'm talking here about the sort of maximum volume levels where you can easily have a conversation over it without raising your voice.

If the amp is only ever going to be used with headphones or these sort of very low volumes, then there are much cheaper and better options than a tube amp. In that situation, pretty much any decent modelling amp or analogue solid-state amp will give you as good a sound or, probably, better along with more built-in facilities for a beginner and for less money.

If it's for exclusive headphone use then you really don't even need an amp. As you suggested, a standalone multifx unit would do the trick nicely. The eBand units are like a multifx unit with a whole bunch of additional features designed to make practicing and learning fun and easy, and (in the case of the JS models) with the addition of small speakers.

The eBand units aren't for everyone.

If you need a proper guitar amp for jamming/gigging or just really want one and can actually use it at a volume level that justifies it (my benchmark for this would be at a level where you can keep up with a decent singer) and only have the budget to buy one thing then buy a real amp.

If you don't need an amp and need something quiet, but good, for bedroom practice, or if you just want something which is a great practice tool and you can afford to get it alongside your proper amp to use as a practice tool, then they are well worth considering.

In another thread, I mentioned I used my Katana amp far more than my Tube amp. Well, I use my eBand about 10 times more than I use all of my real amps put together.

Cheers,

Keith
Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Barnezy on April 18, 2018, 09:33:58 pm
Interesting, I didn’t realise such a device even existed. I can see how something like this could be convenient and useful for practice. I wonder if they will refresh it soon with the latest emulators and maybe bluetooth streaming so it can double as a music speaker.


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Title: Re: Multi-fx for a beginner?
Post by: Majik on April 18, 2018, 10:46:15 pm
Interesting, I didn’t realise such a device even existed. I can see how something like this could be convenient and useful for practice. I wonder if they will refresh it soon with the latest emulators and maybe bluetooth streaming so it can double as a music speaker.

Personally, I can't see them doing it any time soon. The original JS-8 was excellent apart from the speakers, which were rubbish. The new JS-10 seemed to mainly be introduced to remedy that complaint.

I can't see them wanting to introduce a new model just to update the modelling. After all, whilst it's not the absolute latest they have, it's still current.

In fact I would say that most of the modelling you have in your GT-1 is a variant of that used on the eBand units. The primary difference seems to be that on the eBand units you don't have the ability to change the order of FX block in the chain, like you can on the GT-1.

But that's not new either: the GT-1 modelling configuration is a cut-down version of that on the GT-001 and GT-100.

Oh, and there's no PC based patch editing tool for the eBands.

Unless you are into advanced, complex effects and tweaking your patches to the n-th degree, then I honestly don't think you could tell the difference between the sound of most of the patches the eBand units and those on the GT-1. And given it's a practice tool, not one designed to be used for studio recording or playing through at the O2, I don't think it's appropriate to extend the patch configuration beyond what it does already.

You can still do some very advanced editing and store user patches if you want, and I've done this a few times to create a set of patches either for specific songs where I needed an effect, or just to give me a baseline tone which wasn't available on the presets; as usual on these units, a lot of the presets aren't that useful.

Bluetooth? Yes I could see why that would be useful, but I can't see them refreshing the range just for that, especially when you can easily get a cheap bluetooth audio receiver for about £25 and plug it into the aux input.

Cheers,

Keith